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#1041

I really hope the guys at Pixologic aren’t that naive. I don’t doubt that when the new ZB for Mac finally arrives it will be fantastic and it seems likely after all this time that it will have new features. No question I’ll be singing it’s praises along with everyone else.

There will come a time though that Pixologic will start charging for upgrades and while at one time I would have cheerfully paid in advance as I do for much of my other software, Pixologic won’t be seeing any of my cash until the Mac version is finished, released and ready to download. If any other software (Mudbox, Modo, 3dPaint) ever come within spitting distance of ZBs capabilities on the Mac Pixo may not see any more of my money at all.

They implied that these Mac delays will be a thing of the past once the next version is out and I really hope that’s true but I’m afraid I won’t blindly accept their word any more.

BTW ZB2 was delayed for Mac too and Pix were just as silent. The delay was only around 6 months last time though if I remember correctly…

#1042

Amen!

To Pix’s (or rather, Aurick’s) credit, however, I noticed that although this thread has clearly been thoroughly read to delete inflammatory posts and personal attacks, the criticism against Pix remains. I specifically went back and re-read some of my posts, and while I still stand by everything I’ve said, I will not deny that many of these things (and things others have said) have been very pointed and harshly honest against Pix, but they let it stay. That takes guts, and I respect it.

#1043

I recall them being less tolerant early on regarding the criticism, but I think they began to realize that censorship will only create more ill will, and more criticism.
I don’t think I’ll feel regret about the criticism of their having no communication with their customers, no matter what they put out, unless they follow it with a good reason, such as, their programmers were being held hostage for 12 months, and if they said even one word to anyone, they would all be killed. Or, if there was some kind of big shake up at Pixo, similar to what happened at Newtek when key people left the company, and Luxology was formed. One guess is that the reason for the delay could be that they bit off more than they could chew, and have been trying to regroup ever since. The other possibility that has been thrown out there is that they are rewriting the program from the bottom up, and that takes time.
I don’t know if we’ll ever know the reason for their cloak and dagger approach, but I tend to think they could have handled the situation with a little more finesse.

#1044

I am incapable of agreeing more with this statement.

#1045

And, for those here who think we should all just quietly sit on our hands, and wait sheepishly, hoping Pixo hasn’t forgotten us, I would ask them: How often does someone’s willing to settle for less than what everyone else has, ever gotten them anything or anywhere?
Good companies respond to customer demand, bad companies disappoint customers and eventually fail.

#1046

not one to split hairs or anythig but you didn’t pay for anything…you paid fpr zb2.0 and you have that…zb3 or at one time zb2.5 was a free update NO money was spent by anyone except pixologic burning the candles till the small hours over some hot dev kits…

i do know it’s annoyinmg with the wall of silence but companies do need to keep their dev hush hush…all the other major companies do so theiy’re not doing anything unusual…and they have in fact said that ‘it’s coming’…and some extra’s too…they can’t put a firm date on it as it’s software development not ‘cooking’ or a game of blow football/tiddly winks :+1:

good things come to those who wait…and wait…remember the hoo harr before 3 came out…they all fell gooy eyed and deeply smitten by 3.0 when it arrived and were most def back in love with all things pixologic…except the mac folks who had to bite their lip or spend £45 on getting bootcamp running with windows and zb 3.1

hold tight…i think we’re in for a thrill soon…like really quite soon!:wink:

#1047

Well this is a hair I think I’m going to go ahead and split… I paid for ZB2, yes… but I did so…

-at the very end of the 2.x cycle
-with ZB3 Windows released (or about to be, forget which exactky)
-with ZB3’s Mac release immenent (or should I say, “soon”)
-having considered the above, [i]for the purpose of owning ZB3

[/i]It’s more of a circumstantial argument, and I realize that technically I bought ZB2, but I’m going to maintain that I paid for ZB3, if that makes any sense…

#1048

For ZBrush 4, sure, but ZBrush 3 has already been released for over a year now so everyone is well aware of its features and functions etc. So what’s to keep hush hush about a Mac version of a program already out in the marketplace for PCs?

The Mac version (soon to be released) on the Pixologic site is 3.1 which is the same as the current PC version 3.1. If anyone wants some industrial espionage about what’s in the Mac version development, just download the PC version.

#1049

loki74 is singing my song, cresshead. Also keep in mind that we’ve been using what is essentially an inferior product while watching the big kids work circles around us for more than a year now. I think that’s the reason for our current “hoo-harr”.

Screw Bootcamp btw.

#1050

It would be nice, to get some meaningful definition of soon, around here. One that involved calender days, weeks or months preferably. You know, tangible.

Failing that. An explanation of the delay or reason for silence. From an actual Pixologic employee.

#1051

I think they have the message… we want to know.

I fear the silence is not good news though, even if we eventually do get V 4.0, it means they’ve basically bypassed giving us V3 as promised… not nice at all.

or, perhaps the Beta of 3.x is not good & therefore not news they want to give us at this late date.

I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it, given past experience.

#1052

really?

they porimised 2.5 which would have been an incremental tweek to 2.0 and they delivered a totally NEW version of zbrush [for windows admitedly] with zbrush 3.0…then 3.1 they also opened the door for mac users to ‘go windows’
via bootcamp/parralels for the interim period…now if it’s such a long interim we can hope for good things and honestly if it’s a paid for update to say 4.0 couln’d really complain…they’d overdone the free stuff already.

i call that OVER DELIVERING…and they didn’t charge for it…not a single dime!

gee have alook at the ‘point updates’ for maya…at $795 a time and tell me your being taken for a ride witrh zbrush…

me not understand you maybe?

could be i’m seeing a half full glass where as others see a half empty glass:D

#1053

I bought the previous version under the impression that the next version was being developed & was going to be available on the mac platform.

I am using an 8 core intel system, so, the mac version I own will not run, as it is not universal binary.

the glass is not half full, it’s empty.

#1054

Don’t you think it’s about time to stop the ‘Goad and Gloat’ posts by now?

We’ve all paid the same, for the same: ZBrush 3.1. Difference is. Mac users are still awaiting delivery. The Bootcamp option. Is simply, tacit acknowledgment, of our entitlement to the same product.

So. With no real sign of delivery any time soon. Pixologics Apple using customers. Would like some info or news from Pixologic. Not. More wind up posts, from other customers, who are lucky enough to already be in posession of their own copies of ZBrush 3.1.

#1055

i’m in no way against mac at all …i have a mac and some window’s pc’s
and the new mac version will surface eventually…yeah it’s annoyinng it’s taking so long…

i can’t agrue with that but i’d say that pixologic are just as frustrated
with the mac version ‘no show’ as anyone else…

other vendors slapped ‘their app’ will be out be xx/xx/xxx only to not deliver on their date they set themselves or they do deliver but it’s bug ridden due to rushing it out to the relase date they guessed at…

developing apps is not cut n dried and porting apps isn’t as simple as some hardware and o/s manufacturers would have you believe with ‘we ported it over in a weekend’ it’s just not that simple for some apps, esp cutting edge apps like zbrush i’d guess.

#1056

to be fair my post was an attempt to clear up what actually happened.

i bought zbrush 2.0 just before 3.0 was announced/sneek peeked…
why didn’t i wait till 3.0?..
well i knew that 2.0 was rock solid and already worked…
so i thought get 2.0 and if 3.0 is buggy…stick with 2.0

and re the other posting…pixologic have yet to retact anything about
delivering on mac platform…just cos they haven yet dioesn’t mean they will not in the near future.

well i see we have some people with their dander up so…let’s see what siggraph 2008 brings us regarding zbrush for mac.

and also what other competitors deliver re mudbox, modo, silo, even xsi, max or maya may get sculpting soon…

currently there is no massive competition for zbrush…but siggraph may open up some more choices…

we’ll see…not long now.

#1057

That’s you’re opinion. Which is fine.

Doesn’t help much with the concerns of this thread though. Which is, requesting information, about the status of things on the Mac front, from Pixologic.

#1058

as i’ve noted before nr all companies keep STUMM on current development of apps…the only way you’d get info would to be on a beta team and then your constrained via a NDA [non disclosure agreement] not to discuss anything about the app’s development outside of the beta community.

repeatedly asking for info really is like banging your head on a wall:cry:

they’ll release info when they think it’s prudent to do so, not before as this could give other developers an upper hand…it’s a business after all.

siggraph 2008…that’s the next probable point we ‘may’ hear or see something.

#1059

NDA. Now that’s an extremely good idea. They could quite easily set up a private section of the forum. Where paid up Mac users could agree to an NDA. And receive news away from prying eyes. We’re not asking for trade secrets. Just news and updates on progress.

siggraph 2008…that’s the next probable point we ‘may’ hear or see something.

With respect Cresshead, your repeated assurances of a Siggraph announcement. Are not really credible.

#1060

Yeah. Thanks for the discouragement.