I probably would if I could, but I don’t own a PC and apparently the currently released version of ZB3 doesn’t install too well on any of the 5 Apple Mac’s that I own. So I guess I’ll just have to wait PATIENTLY for the Mac version of ZB3 just like every other Mac user should.
Yeah… The same Mac users who’ll be lined up at their nearest Apple store on July 11 to buy 10 iPhones because Steve Jobs told them they can’t possibly survive in this world without them.
Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not a Wintel user. I’m just not one of the 99.99999% of Mac users who live their entire existence with their lips firmly attached to Steve Job’s ass.
No… you paid for exactly what Pixologic delivered to you… A copy of ZB3 for Win OS with the option of a license transfer to the Mac OS version WHEN the Mac version is released.
Pixologic made such facts known from the day of ZB3’s release and have NEVER made any unrealistic claims as to when the Mac version might be delivered. I might not agree with the current situation, but you have no moral right to be critical of Pixologic when they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
Maybe if you directed your dissatisfaction towards those who are actually responsible for the continual and ever increasing delays in Mac versions of 3rd party apps being released to market, Apple might finally get off their lazy fat asses and help developers develop for the OS X platform rather than make development as difficult as they possible can for developers who don’t have Apple’s billion dollar bank roll.
You see… I actually have a job, so if I really needed to run ZB3 I’d just go out and buy a PC, not waste my time complaining on this forum of how ripped-off I feel because ZB3 won’t install on my 15 year old ‘Color Classic’. It is those users who claim how important ZB3 is to their existence yet blatantly refuse to buy the hardware/software needed to run it who should confine themselves to the fantasy world of their little sandbox, as the ‘dog eat dog’ realities of the real world will be just too much for their little minds to bear.
And a ‘hurry, buy it in advance to get it cheaper because the price is going up up up on release’
Woah boy! Like I said in my post, I’m not complaining about pixologic because I didn’t buy at version 2, on a free upgrade to 3 promise, I bought at v1.55 with no expectation I would get the next 2 full point upgrades for free. I’m happy.
Again, I was not complaining about anyone. If you don’t want to read other people venting then don’t read and you won’t need to go through this vessel busting ?
Again, I’m not sure what your point is here, I also have a job, its a real job in the real world for real people and its been so for a real 15 odd years. I use ZBrush 3 on almost every job I do and I’ll be happier when the mac version comes out because my pay per hour will go up through not having to boot into another OS which slows down the process on so many levels.
We’re doing the splice up the message into fifty pieces game! Okay… I’ll play.
By “patiently,” do you also mean without joking about it or speculating about it? Furthermore, if you take a look over my past posts, I have been quite fair to Pixologic. Just because one recognizes the company’s shortcomings does not mean that its positive traits disappear, or vice versa.
Actually, no. A lot of the folks at the 'NN forums use their Macs professionally, and would not hesitate to call Apple out on a legitimate complaint. Honestly, I’ve yet to encounter in my entire life the type of Apple “fanboys” you and so many others describe… I’ve met a guy who felt so strongly about Windows, but never one who felt so strongly about OSX. Maybe it’s because we’re all very careful not to be labeled as a “Mac zealot,” which is a big no-no in EVERY Mac community I’ve ever discussed in.
I wonder if the Mac fanboys are just a clever invention on the part of Mac haters and other Mac elitists who wish to separate themselves from the rest of the group as outstandingly more mature…
That’s all just speculation though. x]
No… I paid for a Mac OSX version of ZBrush 3. Perhaps no explicit statement was made, but the way things were set up on the website (ie, the Intel machines were listed in the recommended system requirements, which obviously is not the case for the copy of Z2 which I’ve got running on Rosetta… or the very fact that they’re selling Z3 OSX pre-release) created a very reasonable expectation that we would not have to wait long for Z3. A year is a long time, no matter how you cut it.
How else can the word “soon” be construed? What I find to be very disappointing is that “soon” is such a general, wide-reaching span of time, and yet, Pix has still failed to deliver within what can reasonably be considered “soon.”
Furthermore, there is a point (oh, say, at around the 8 month mark?) where it becomes blatantly clear that its already too late for “soon.” Instead of continuing with the “STFU We’re working on it! It’ll be here SOON.” policy, Pix should have just been up front and said, “Look, we have no idea when this is gonna be out, it’s taking way longer than we expected, and we apologize.” Actually, just that one word–“apologize.” That would have done it for me. Acknowledgement of the fact that they’ve blundered pretty badly here. I’m not asking anyone to wave a magic wand so that I’ll get Z3 tomorrow, and I’m certainly not asking for any details (I understand Pix has gotta keep stuff under wraps). I just want some respect from Pixologic.
You tell me, do you really think that would work? What are we going to do, threaten to boycott Apple? Please… most of their clientele in the high-end professional market is in film and graphic/web design anyway, where, last I recall, the software stays pretty up to date (FCP, anyone?).
At any rate–if it’s so much harder to develop on OSX, then Pix should have been able to foresee such a long, drawn out development cycle… and subsequently should have communicated to us, that no, we would not have it “soon,” because of all of the issues that OSX presents.
You really should check out how NewTek (makes of LightWave 3D) handles their Mac users… we had to wait for some stuff, but NT was polite and respectful about it, much unlike the aforementioned policy which Pix seems to have taken on.
So sure, some blame falls on Apple. But, there’s enough of it to go around, and at the end of the day, Pix is the one with my money in their pockets for their product which I do not have yet. Ergo, this is their mess, and they must take responsibility.
Oh? A job didn’t do the trick, eh? Try a life then. That way you won’t have to waste your time reading a thread you really have no need to even open. It is people who really have nothing better to do with their lives than whine about others’ valid complaints and harmless speculation who should grow up, because as it stands, the brutal reality of the Pix’s blunder is too much for their little minds to bear…
Poisons, there are a few things that seem to escape you so let’s review shall we?
This is a forum, a community it was designed to be a place for users to share, and sharing takes many forms; questions, comments, offers of help and support and even complaints.
Some of the users of this community have created a place where we can come and commiserate and laugh a bit while we wait for Z3 for mac. Why? See point #1.
If you don’t agree or don’t like what is being said on this forum, you don’t have to read it. You are free to come and go as you please but lashing out at the people on this board who are engaged in this thread is just a lot of misplaced anger. Not sure what or whom has your panties in a twist but perhaps you can get them untwisted so if you choose to hang out in this thread you can do it with a bit less acrimony towards the people who feel the need to commiserate over the lack of communication from pixo on the status of a product that is a year over due.
You are so right on it’s not even funny. The best post yet. I have had these Steve Jobs ass kissers jumping down my throat for the past 6 months. I am a bit frustrated that Pixologic doesn’t close the thread for no other reason than the fact that it’s just not good for the community.
Look at Autodesk in comparison. At least Pixologic isn’t turning around every 5 months with a full build ready to sell. On that note, at least Pixo is not charging their customers $700 for a piece of hardware, reducing the price by half, and then making it nearly obsolete in a little over a year, thus preventing its customers from changing their batteries. The phone is junk in a year because it can’t hold a charge. You pay half the price of a new iPhone to get it replaced. Talk about a serious electronics pollution problem Apple is creating. In a year from now, 99% of existing Mac users will have to either trash their Mac to get Apple support for their recently purchased G5, or just agree not to run anything but Safari in 2 years.
I’m not complaining about Apple because I still own a Power PC and Windows Mobile phone and it doesn’t affect me. I say we all switch to *nix anyway. It’s basically what both Apple and Windows have been biting for the past 30 years anyway.
Fanboys is a great word for the majority of posters in this thread. Besides, the Windows haters are just as ridonkulous as the Mac lovers. They’re in the same camp as far as I’m concerned. Their rage is fueled at the thought that Mac wasn’t “the first” to do something because the idea of innovation in technology not falling on their turf is too much to handle.
On the other hand, I am very glad that Apple has moved to Intel finally. Now if they would just open up their OS to other hardware so you don’t have to pay twice what you would pay for the same hardware without the lock. You don’t see other companies locking out things like audio players to their own hardware in obvious attempts to monopolize the market.
Steve Jobs isn’t evil, he’s just sitting back playing the same game that Bill Gates did when Windows started gaining traction. The only difference is that Steve doesn’t feel as warm and fuzzy about his customers or developers, so he has no problem sticking it to them.
Hollywood fanboy, Apple fanboy, eh… what’s the diff? Superstar!!! I have been dealing with these OS evangelists for the past 20 years and I am so sick of it! You like the software so much, go work for their evangelism team and you can preach all you want about how they changed your life after you learned to “believe”. I once sat through a large studio meeting that was about nothing other than the head of the department hyping Linux and talking about how it had such a low TCO compared to other products. Here they were running version 3.x of Linux with almost every user complaining about how dated it is and the art department using Windows for Photoshop anyways. Such a joke.
Whatever happened to “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country”. I think country is a template type in this case.
So when did people start bombing this thread with personal attacks?
Bottom line, I love my Mac because it works. I’ve had to send my PC back to the shop 5 times and there are still issues. I’ve had my Mac just as long and it’s still running like a champ. I don’t care about the iPhone, phones have one purpose: to make calls. If you can create a phone that makes calls and doesn’t break, I’ll buy it.
I’m just saying, in my personal opinion, Apple is superior in certain respects. Maybe not gaming, coding, or Cad, but for what I use Apple is clearly the best choice. Lots of people have made that choice and are so happy with it that they don’t feel that they HAVE to switch back…
I will say, if Pixologic could somehow float us a free temporary Windows bootcamp license along with whatever PC version they expect us to use in the mean time, I’d do it. That seems to be the only defense they’re putting up: “Hey it’s Free?!?” When in reality it isn’t. In order to run the free license I would have to spend upwards of 500 dollars, on hardware and software upgrades. And if Pixologic were, I dunno, logical and actually told us, “Ya know what, it’s taking a lot longer that we expected and there really isn’t any end in sight.” I’d go out and make the upgrades, but every other day I come back to this thread and there’s somebody who’s posted a support e-mail they’ve received from Pixo saying. “Oh, boy! I hope you’re excited! We’ve got all sorts of cool stuff to show you!” which basically means “soon”.
Pixo sold you a Windows license to ZBrush with the option to transfer to Mac. That’s reality. Did you know that Microsoft Virtual PC for Mac is free? Go get yourself a copy of XP for $20 or even less. Don’t worry, you don’t have to use Windows except to click Start>Programs>Pixologic>ZBrush>ZBrush3.exe
ooohh. Koosher Dill. That was apersonal attack that is not allowed. I’m going to go report you like you threatened us before like a mommas boy!
go away! Get a life already. Don’t you have some friends somewhere else to play with?
3dj, I didn’t mention a user specifically so I was making a generalization about the Mac community here on Pixo. Not that I would expect your young mind to understand the difference.
My solution was to buy a Mac Pro… I was due for a new computer, make a living doing 3d, have access to zb3 at work, but was not willing to wait even 6 months+ again as i did for Zb 2.0 to come out after the WIN version for my personal work at home. I believe we are on month 14 or so now. It did annoy me to have to buy win, parallels etc initially not knowing if it would be a redundant purchase in 6 months or so, but obviously not.
I’m afraid everyone did purchase Zb2 for OSX, with a promise to get zb3 for free. In spirit everyone wants the zb3 part, but the fine print is Zb2, and WIN Zb3 with license transfer. You can’t purchase what does not exist.
I long for a OSX native version of Zb3, where i can use my hardware to its full potential. Emulation and bootcamp does not do it, these are just band-aids that do interrupt workflow. We are still waiting for a mac version of Zmapper for Zb2 which i think is a huge indication of issue with the mac port/rewrite.
Yes, apple changes the landscape all the time on developers. We still have no 64 bit apps due to this, just those in development. I am hoping this is a cause for delay of Zb3 OSX also… though there is only a 64 bit build of Zb2 for PC AFAIK.
Pixologic will never give release dates till the software is uploading to the servers. 2 weeks notice tops. This has always been their policy. Aurick tries to give what news he can. Obviously they were hopeful back in february but something came up, or they are future proofing further their software perhaps even due to OSX 10.6 announcements.
Lastly, I hope people that seem to try and get threads closed consider what a Windows thread may look like if they were 14 months behind the mac development. How would they react to being told to buy a mac, OSX, or emulation software?
I would be stoked if the windows release was delayed and it forced me to go buy a new setup. Would at least give me an excuse. Sure I would be a little bitter about the money spent but I look at these things as investments both short and long term. Investment motives are always a factor sure but the trade off or alternative should always be weighed against the benefit. The great thing about PCs is that they’re cheap! You could go buy a whole PC system with an extra 4 gb of ram for under $300. Would I be able to do that with a Mac? Most likely not but that’s where the point is moot.
Has anyone considered the strong possibility that Kosher and poisons are the same person? poisons is extremely new in these forums, and there are some strong similarities. Of course, he’ll deny it, but, either way, they are “both” just here to stir up a hornet’s nest. Just ignore him/them.
See, you do learn from opening your mind and listening to the other side. But then you go and close the channel just when you learn something new. Ignorance is bliss as they say in the history books…
nurbs> non uniform rational b-splines it’s a modeling method available in some apps like maya, max, xsi etc…different from polygon modeling or su d modeling.
as for osx zbrush 3…it’ll be here when they finish it
maybe they’ll have a big update and relase it for
osx, windows AND linux…that would be cool!
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It’s basically what both Apple and Windows have been biting for the past 30 years anyway.
