I’ve decided that’s the only real reason he comments in this thread, so we’ll react and then they’ll close this thread, too.
I’m not going to let him get my dander up again. 
See?..All smiles.
Pix hasn’t buried this thread yet? Wow! I was pretty sure the Windows users would have provoked it closed by now . . . they must be loosing their touch. 
I’m with IC. Voting with your wallet (and endorsement where applicable) is the only thing that will make a difference. Financially, Pix has done fine without rushing their Mac editions, and that being the case, they are obviously not sufficiently incented to do undertake simultaneous (or even near simultaneous) releases.
As for “no competition” there are alternatives. They work different than ZB, to be sure, but there pleanty of ways to get results. (Yes, yes, “only ZB does . . .”, but the reality is that whatever ZB does unique, there are other ways to achieve results in film, character design, etc.)
Despite declared intent to the countrary, Pixologic is not up to the challenge of delivering a fully capable product (ya know, with important things like Zmapper), on current operating systems (ya know, like OSX 10.4), on Intel hardware in years. ZB2 became near useless to me when we switched over to Intel workstations and despite the patter that “2.5 is around the corner” at Siggraph and other places, solutions haven’t materialized.
Maybe there is a beta in progress that solves all this, certainly Pix has suggested as much. Maybe the long waited for ZB3 for Mac will appear and resolve all these problems. When it comes, it might as well be evaluated as a new software offering because the “hiatus” of true support for the Mac platform has been so long in coming (pretty much since the Intel transition) that it would be silly to think that there is true continuity in production shops.
It’s probably about time for the Mac community here to give up, say goodbye, and if something fabulous does appear in the next couple months, treat it like new software which some of us oldtimers might see for free. If ZB is truely critical to someones workflow, they should get a PC (I say this as a die-hard Mac user) because, based on the evidence of multiple years (again, going back to the ZB2 days) it does not appear the Pix is equipped or intending to fully support you to the degree they can on a PC. If ZB is not critical, then it’s time to say, “I’ll use something else; some other technique . . .” and move on.
YMMV, IMHO, Don’t Take Any Wooden Nickles, Put Not Your Trust in Princes, etc.,
-Kerwin
Like I said… they just need to talk to us. Even if it’s in a more private forum. Like the email notification system they have. They’re obviously not using it. I have not received one email stating the status of the program since I orderd it in Nov '07 !
Tell us what’s wrong, what’s updated, what’s working, give us some screen shots or video examples to show us that the Mac community still matters to you.
I agree with Kerwin, at this point some users have already jumped ship and as the clock ticks, more companies are going to step-up the bat. This is the same attitude Quark had with their software. They were top dogs in the earlier years, limited support and poor customer relations. Fast forward a few years and Adobe joins the game. InDesign has the user base and Adobe support and now commands a huge user base that no one thought possible. But, with Quark’s arrogant position many people have side-stepped their software and the money trail can be traced to Adobe now. I can see the same thing happening in 3D. Houdini is now going MAC, Lightwave is on the MAC, Maya is on MAC, Renderman, Cinema 4D, and possibly Mudbox.
Wake up !!!
Perhaps, Pixologic dosen’t care about losing its Mac user base…?
I use Zbrush 2 for the mac (ppc), which I must firstly say is a great application. Although zbrush 3 has been promised as a free upgrade to users of 2, personally I regard it as a much anticipated bonus when it appears rather than as a right, as I am pretty used to paying for software upgrades. I am very pleased that pixologic takes such a generous approach to this issue, and look forward to that happy day.
Optimistically, my feeling about the development, is that pixologic are probably working their socks off to get the mac version of zbrush tied up.
That said, users that have had to switch from ppc to intel, requiring 3rd party software to run ZB ( which is not an ideal framework for useage ), and users that bought zbrush against a promise that a native mac version was imminent, do have legitimate concerns. These have been voiced again and again with some frustration.
The core issues on this thread have never been about mac vs pc user comparisons, which have, in my opinion, been a digression. I fully respect PC users in their choice of platform. The core issue is simply the expectation of a reasonable level of direct customer service communication to the mac user base, however long it takes for the technical issues to be resolved.
I feel it is a positive sign that at least a thread like this exists as a necessary means to vent frustrations, and I certainly would not like it shut down.
BINGO !!!
all we need is some healthy competition
for at the moment there aint nothing lke zbrush on the market for hard core sculpting
modo’s sculpting “mediocre” ( forget about high poly counts )
- of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
- rather poor or inferior.
silos, a step above modo’s but not even close to zb
mudbox is the most likely,2.0 due out prob at sigraph, if they go mac, things could change to our benefit
ps: i hope c4d comes out with a sculpting module soon
how about a zLINK plugin for maya?
I wonder, would Pixo even blink in the event they lost the Mac market? They might even breath a sigh of relief; like some hen-pecked husband who, after years of quiet tolerance, has just finally unloaded his aged and disagreeable mother-in-law from the spare bedroom upstairs to some strategically placed old age home in another county.
Anyone know what percentage of ZBrushers are Mac users? If I were to guess, judging solely from their response/lack of response to our concerns, I would guess we only make up .005 percent of their customer base. :rolleyes:
hi, I come here in a weekly basis and nothing seems to change: No official communications, a thread hidden in the question and troubleshooting forum, the ocassional PC user being rude and nasty unnessesarily…
And no news. 
It´s an extrange communications policy. Sadly when there is no alternatives this things happens. :mad:
I will come back the nex week.
FelixCat
Interesting point. Significantly more than .005% I would think.
This thread has had more than 16,000 views in 4 weeks. If only 10% of those views, are individual Mac Z Brush users. That amounts to around $800,000 in Mac Z Brush licenses. I’d be surprised if Pixologic considered that to be a trifle.
Which leads me to wonder. Whether it would be worth while. Raising a petition, in support of opening a channel of communication with Pixologic.
Who knows. Some of our more sympathetic windows colleagues may even lend their support.
Very well put. It seems the smallest amount of communication would help a great deal. Obviously, it’s one of the most active threads, though. It’s been at the top of the list for quite some time, so I wouldn’t say it’s hidden. It’s just not acknowledged by any pix officials. Which there could definitely be a lot of reasons for, but I still think they should just say something. Even if it’s just “We don’t have a set date yet, but we’re hard at work on it. Sorry for the inconvenience.” That would be amazing at this point. I would probably pass out on the spot! X-P
hmmmm…still no news. darn. 
Wait, does the view counter include redundant views? ie, if I open the thread, leave, and come back in, does it get an additional view? I guess I could check but I’m too lazy.
That’s right. I’m too lazy to go do a few mouse clicks. Leave me alone! xD
Well that’s pretty much what they’ve been saying since early Feb (Mac ZB3 is in beta testing and should be released soon) but it’s dragged on for so long that it’s become meaningless. How soon is soon? A month? six months? A year? I’ve no idea any longer.
In fact I’m so numb over this now that I’m beginning to side with Pixologic, unless they come out with a full and in depth explanation of why it’s taken so long and a good indication of how much longer it’s likely to take (and that’s unlikely in the extreme) anything they say is likely to just annoy people further. Better to stay silent and release Mac ZB3 with a fanfare and champagne like everything has gone to plan.
Actually, you know what would not entail an explanation but would satisfy me?
A recognition of the fact that this is really messed up and they’ve failed to deliver on their word (not to mention our money).
Just a simple (but genuine) concession and apology, and reaffirmation that work is being made. That’s all I want.
Not true, people need the unofficial news to feel acknowledged (not neccessarily estimated dates, just updates on progress). It’s not necessarily about solid announcement, it’s about communication and not feeling left out in the dark.
Listen up rubber beaks.
ZB will be released, it will be beautiful, and this thread will sink.
And Pix will gain the ice blue reputation of being unmoved by the peckish attempts of soft bodies intent upon bleeding them of their mystery. 
this illustrates quite accurately, how pixologic is treating the mac community !
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The day they decide to finally say something about it, they better just release it that day. I don’t know if I can trust any more dates that Pixologic sets.
Yeah it’s all a bit annoying but best thing to do is just busy yourself with cinema 4d, after effects, etc. in the meantime. When it’s ready it will come