As I understand it all publicity shots have to be approved by the International Pig Wrestlers Federation (Greased Division) but I’ll do what I can! 
Is there a betting pool for the Mac release of ZBrush3? I heard you could get anything listed in Vegas to bet on.
WOW, this is a full on thread with lots of interesting discussions going on. It is good to read so many opinions of both mac and windows users. I am a mac user and always have been, although i have used both in the past within the design studio, but stuck to Mac at home. Now I have a Mac and Pc at home, with the Pc simply being a ZBrush machine and nothing else, I run both the mac and the pc networked and my main 26" screen can switch between dvi and vga input by the touch of a button, so its real easy to work with both machines at once. ZBrush appears the same on the pc as the mac and so really it doesnt matter. Infact it seems pretty happy having more or less all the RAM to itself.
I understand the frustration that is occuring with many of the fellow mac people here as it is like christmas never arriving for you when it has for those around you. None the less, I feel that the software is or a reasonable price and building a PC doesnt really cost that much at all, and was a student working very hard at uni and also with a part time job and debts haunting me, but its a case of weighing up how much you want something and considering what you will invest to get it. If ZBrush is worth so much to you then you should consider the options around having to wait. I wish i did not have to buy a second computer that I could not afford, and that a Mac version had come out!! but i am certainly not going to waist my energy getting angry about the ethics of a caompany who so far to date have proven that they are not out to rip us off. I purchased ZBrush around I think 7 years ago, hmm something like that, and ever since then I have, like others, recieved free updates. I guess you have to take into account that although other software companies may not keep us waiting for so long, the other companies do require us to pay an amount of money almost every year for updates and plugins.
I simply evaluated the fact that I havenot had to pay out and probably will not have to pay out lots for updates in the future so having to purchase a pc to meet my personal demands for Zbrush seemed like a logical option, as with other softwares i would have had to of paid out much more over a long term period. When Zbrush 3 comes out for the Mac, I will prob sell the pc and make a loss, but i am sure for the value of being able to use the software sooner and the work i have been able to produce with it will far out weigh the loss. Thats life…consider the big picture…do what you can when you can as apposed to blaming others…!!
That all said, it would be nice to have updates as far as progress is concerned, and those of you who do feel abandoned, well I think the amount of time that Pixologic have spent developing the Mac version proves the opposite. They could have given up and walked away, they would have been okay, some bad press perhaps, but they would do okay from it because of the lack of competition. So as far as I can tell they have not dropped it, theyare working on getting it spot on so we can get over excited when we first use it as apposed to feeling any further let downs.
Perosnally i am broke and cant wait for the mac version so i can sell the pc and get some cash, but hey it was my choice to invest and I think it has paid off. Hang in there Mac users and please dont think I am devaluing your comlaints, as I am sure this thread is watched and your voices are being heard.
Arran
I can understand why everyone feels “hustled”. I think it may just have been a case of Pixologic feeling overconfident that the mac version would be done soon. Therefore they saw no problem advertising as such. Regardless if they didn’t set a date, I do remember them mentioning that it would be soon. It just feels like they probably have run into a few brick walls with this thing. That’s where the risky purchase hasn’t worked out, and that’s the only reason I’m trying to accept some blame for the situation. I doubt it was a marketing tactic, they probably just got stuck. I see where you’re coming from since it’s been a year, though. Regardless of where the finger needs to be pointed for us having to wait when we’ve already paid, the situation blows.
when aurick retires he’ll have to write ‘memoires of a z’
and explain the whole thing in detail. it’ll probably be
so compelling that it will get turned into a made-for-tv
movie and run on cbs.
james - I think people are feeling more neglected than
anything. You can make all the assertions as to ‘why’
and ‘how’ as you like, the bottom line is that you
shouldn’t have too. That’s the core of our situation.
The reason may be understandable, I’m willing to give
the benefit of the doubt-of course. But that fact that I’m
left to divine it for myself is essentially an official validation
that whatever it is that I decide is fine and the results
of that are fine too. You can name it what you want,
confidence, or arrogance.
grovel grovel…
btw. yes duh I could buy a PC, but I’m a minimalist, and
if I migrate the z workflow to a new set of hardware that
means I’m buying (and maintaining) a new system, OS,
version of PS to use zapplink and increasing my eco
footprint (manufacturing / power useage etc). I’m glad
that it works for some, but it’s not ideal - and I feel if
that was presented as the only way to go that the mac
market would for z would uproot.
It has been a while since aurick or any representative has surfaced to give any sort of info. I agree, that’s not cool given the anticipation of the mac release. There should be some kind of weekly post just out of appreciation of business. I see where some neglect can be felt from that when people have given their money already. Obviously, it’s a substantial amount of cash with all of us here ‘groveling’ (awesome word…).
I’m just merely debating some different views that often get put on the back burner. People love to riot but hate accepting responsibility. Pix definitely has some responsibility to accept here too. So I do agree, some regular info seems very neccessary, all things considered.
“when aurick retires he’ll have to write ‘memoires of a z’…”
You’re a funny s.o.b…
ding ding you found the daily double! :lol:
Hmm.
Overall yes, but while people (in general) have some
unsavory characteristics at times (our nature) blah blah blah
(all of this is fermenting nicely now) the primary responsability
of a customer is to pay for the product and likewise
[insert goal here]
Looking at things objectively is great practice (bravo)
but it’s like ping pong, the customers serve and until
the ball gets hit back to you it doesn’t really matter
how hard you think about it all you can do is stand there.
…that’s my view of hitting on chicks…
Yeah, I know man. I don’t really feel hustled yet, I do believe we will get taken care of. I just wish they were better at communicating. Pixo is a solid company, just needs a PR person. LOL!
looking objectively or throwing
ping pong balls at them?
:lol:
…standing there trying to get their attention until they notice me…then if they turn me down I throw ping pong balls at them…
And suddenly ‘ping pong’ has whole
new meaning…
“be on the lookout for a man- no clothes, underwear, fur coat, brandishing
Ping pong balls”
I agree that pix should keep us updated. I’m a Silo user and LW user and I’ve noticed that their ‘CUSTOMER’ care seems to involve keeping the ‘CUSTOMER’ informed about work. Sure Silo dragged a little on releasing info at one time but when the general masses on the forum complained guess what they did…
They posted weekly updates and screenshots and videos of some tools in action. Nothing polished but they were keeping the ‘CUSTOMER’ happy and making them feel part of the software team. Pix has forgotton that as ‘CUSTOMERS’ who have a financial stake in the company they are cutting off their nose despite their face when they FAIL to keep their ‘CUSTOMERS’ happy.
Yes they are to blame. No two ways about it. They were happy to market and get money in but then not so happy to let us know what they were doing with that money and how they were progressing. My clients would look elsewhere and do all they could to get the money back if I behaved like that.
All we require is one of the over zealous marketing people who duped us into investing as mac users to sit down and every week give us a brief update. Maybe the odd approved screenshot. Leave the beta testers to do their thing under the NDA but let us ‘PAID CUSTOMERS’ see some sign of a light at the end of the tunnel. It won’t really be spoilers as the latest version is running on the hellfire OS (Windows).
PIX take a leaf out of your competitiors books and keep the ‘CUSTOMER’ happy. You know, it tends to make for a sweeter life!!! Happier chat messages and praise and good marketing within community discussions.
PIX, you have failed to see us (mac users) for what we really are, hundreds and thousands of marketing opportunities for your software within our own communities and circles of friends. Have you ever thought of that before!!! I know I talk to my friends about the software packages I’m using and how good/bad they are and I’ve even advised employers and clients on what to get.
You can have that advice for free. How’s about you do the same about the Mac version of ZBrush but make it weekly!!
Cutting my nose despite my grace. To spite your face.
How graceful your face is I can’t comment.
To spite my face. Until you see mine how do you know what face it is.
Did I hit a raw nerve? If so ellaborate and if it’s due I’ll appologise in the nicest possible english way. I’ll give you a large jar of marmite and wait to see what happens 
Yes all of this dimwit led harping hits a nerve. I feel that you’ve lost sight and/or understanding of who “The good guys” are.
I think that Pixologic do not deserve these spiky remarks. I hope and trust that this thread does not distract or depress them.
It cannot be right to see these uniquely talented people at Pixologic that are giving so much, receive even one thread of self-centered bile as a reward.
I understand that you do and say what you do, but I don’t agree with it, I don’t recognize your criticisms of the companies way of operating as being remotely valid, useful, or even deserving a voice hosted anywhere other than on your own server.
I think that a community that can trust each other to trust Pixologic is a healthier one as objectively that trust is deserved… whatever you may say or think.
I would say without a shadow of a doubt that anybody who uses such software is NOT a dimwit. And I speak for the other people who raise concerns that we are NOT dimwits!!
Unless you shout loud enough you will not be heard. My comments are to the marketing team not the genius and godlike guys who actually code and build the ZBrush software. This thread should make them remember that they need to keep the users happy!!
Self-centered bile. Climb down off that high mountain and take a sniff of world we live in that allows freedom fo speech!! As for talented people I have never, and would never deny that. (see above)
Freedom of speech!!. By replying to my comment you are giving it more air time. If you wish to let it get lost in the volume of comments in this site. ignore and move on!
I trust Pixologic to develop a sound creative and godlike app. It’s what they do. Sometimes you have to kick them a bit to remind them that we need to be kept in the loop!!
Either one of us and/or all the participants of this thread myself included could very easily be dimwits and/or bozo’s and/or combinations of both.
So from one to another, you don’t need to shout loud to be heard, the marketing team doesn’t need to run this show (the product sells itself), I’ve been a user a long time and am obviously grateful and happy. I don’t think freedom of speech means what you think it means. Air time? Yeah I’m trying to blow on your mind. I don’t just want to stand idle and dishonor the good. You don’t have to kick these people. Really.
Mac users who have purchased Z Brush 3, clearly do have a legitimate moan here.
A cursory glance, at our join dates coupled with the post count. Will instantly indicate. Just how long, many of us have waited for this port. Patiently and without fuss.
So, about now. We’d like some official information. A projected release date perhaps. Some evidence, at least, of progress on this. A private area of the forum, where purchasers could register and sign an NDA, could be used. If there are reasons for withholding, please tell us what they are.
The occaisional, over-defensive interjections here. From non-pixologic staff. Chiding the Mac users voicing their concern, are not welcome. They can only lead to acrimony, and the possible closure of this thread.
I’m a Mac user and would wish expression of the Venn diagram of combined identities to include me as perfectly satisfied when folks speak about how things are for Mac users. That or just speak for yourself.
The release date of the next album by my favorite group is a mystery and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s essential that there’s zero information until a release date is known to be real.
I can stand acrimony, and I can stand the closure of this thread.
I can’t stand attempts to strong arm Pix into doing something so unsustainable as keeping an irrational cabal content.