WOW, did you just bring back memories. My first computer was a refurbished Lisa running the Mac OS. It had a 10 MB hard drive, which was HUGE. Took forever to even come close to filling that.
Now I have 16 GB in my phone, which can also do a ton of things that the poor old Lisa couldn’t have dreamed of on its best day. Crazy how fast technology moves.
Aurick,
Why aren’t the Mac Beta testers you announced back in February allowed to post their images on the Beta Testers forum? Haven’t seen one image from a Mac Beta tester yet.
Anyone who had a Lisa is alright with me. I took out a 2nd on my house back then to buy that dream machine that said Hello when you touched it… and for you young guys, a house was only 120k then…interest…well a VA loan was only 10% and we thought that was good.
Anyway, to take this much heat, there must be some major things going on in the planning/release watching the competition strategy. Let hope Aurick is allowed to list new functions and specs this weekend to give us something to chew on until release.
Youngster! LOL! 
I had number 400-something Apple II off the line.
If I remember correctly, I believe it had 4k ram.
:rolleyes:
Now THAT’S old! :eek:
well i don’t recall what an osbourne was but my first compy was pre apple. an ibm portable the size of a suitcase. totally cutting edge being portable. 5 inch mono screen. can’t remember the hard disk size but think you’d measure it in kb not megs. pretty much a text editor. thing was HUGE! weighed about 80 pounds. ah, good times. good times.
@aurick - i remember buying a 1Mb video card for $1500 at work - for only one of 9 machines we we’re willing to upgrade. we we’re pushing the envelope at the time. lol! the next year i think all 9 got 8Mb cards for about the same price total.
Just love those specs hey guys. That thing on the top was the 5 meg profile harddrive…you could buy more and piggyback them. they were only $3,500 each.
these kids would be lost with a 4k memory machine. Osbourne was a British portable “suitcase” How about VT100 monitors or Wang word processors that had a physical print driver that was about the size of a cinder block.
My first computer ever IS a Mac Pro quad!! I feel like I’m in kindergarden all of the sudden!! Please don’t tell me to go to my room while you all have adult conversation! Hey, I bet I can digitally create art with the best of you original gangsters, though.
I was an airbrush and pencil artist prior to a recent digital jump. I hope by the time I’m calling myself ancient for claiming my Mac as my first computer, I’ll have more digital art than one man can bear looking at!
That said, back then I would’ve been a painter. Clicking around all day to create one rectangle wouldn’t have done the trick for me…
We should all just sit back and understand that in the long run these guys are trying their best to provide a product that remains the exceptional tool that it has been. Is it hard, have they fallen short of what we would desire, yes, but I think that all should and will learn something from this and in the long run we will all benefit from this.
And Aurick, if you need some stomach medicine at the end of each day after doing all your other forum duties and still have out 2000 messages to read, I’ll send you some.
i remember those! lol! that’s a great pic of lisa too! (hey that’s my wife’s name. hmm…) sounds like my ibm was pretty similar to an osbourne.
@ james - r u ever spoiled! lol! no doubt you’re a fine artist. when i went digital for art it was for print. our beefiest machine had a 40Mb hd and 8Mb of ram. editing an 2400 x 3000 photo was pretty much click then go home and come back tomorrow. kind of like airbrushing with a straw!
[edit: yeah don, totally off topic. sorry y’all. just so many fond memories…]
If you can explain to me how being ‘pessimistic’ helps anything, then I’ll change my way of thinking!
You may have some idea, but I personally have absolutely NO idea how much code is being written. I would suspect its pretty much been from the ground up. The Intel Mac is a whole different ballgame than writing for it’s Mac predecessors. We also have NO idea how many programmers they actually have working on it. I suspect it has been one massive undertaking. And you also have to take into consideration that Pixo is taking into consideration what Apple is going to do in the near and fairly distant future with the Mac. Otherwise, this would be all for naught.
Now, if it were me or you announcing to a waiting world of Mac users (and probably a bunch of SFX departments and film studios and game developers, etc.) wouldn’t you want to turn out the absolute best top-notch piece of software? If all the people lined up with money in hand end up getting a buggy, choking, miserable piece of garbage - then there goes your customer base.
You can rest assured that Pixo - like every other company - considers that every day that Intel Mac version ISN’T on the market, they are losing money. And they are! They are paying out a lot in development, but taking nothing in. That’s a rough business to be in.
I’d bet my bottom dollar that NO ONE wants that software on the market MORE than Pixologic itself. Every day it isn’t, they lose money.
I’m just saying we’ve all been waiting and waiting for SOME word, ANY kind of announcement at all - and NOW we’ve got it. We know it’s coming, and after all this time we should at very least be content that we now know ‘something’. Maybe it’s not exactly a cause for celebration, but maybe a little ‘optimism’?
And remember, there is NO other software on the market - at least that I am aware of - that can do what ZBrush does.
Just my two cents… 
what you young artist will have in your lifetime. If you look at what we older fellows have experienced in less then 30 years, it boggles my mind to think of what you will have as tools in both hardware and software. Who knows, you may see the day when you roll out a screen before you and pull on a pair of gloves that allow you to sculpt the image on your screen, that’s if you don’t just see the image in free space before you. Stay with these guys. The big mega corp developers are not always the best way to go.
I’ll bet for sure you can create digital art better than me!
And certainly faster. 
Haha! Yeah, speaking of airbrushes, that’s how I know I’m spoiled. Going digital quadrupled the quality of my art at least. Same guy, same ideas, same talent, WAY higher quality art WAY faster.
Just to spook the pants off you old farts, here’s a speed painting I started today in photoshop. It’s far from done. I’d say, with a straw, this would take a while…
I’m also making a time lapse movie of the artistic process by screen casting. Just another benefit of the digital medium.
I rarely do stuff that’s scary looking like this, but I’m going to an interview at a custom motorcycle shop to do graphics on bikes, digitally! They do a lot of gothic stuff, so this is one for the presentation.
careful don. these guys are hoping to see zb3 in their lifetime! ok that was a really bad joke around here. sorry!
kidding aside, ain’t that the gospel! hoping they can keep me alive long enough to see it!
@ james - crap! so much for living long… now i need a smoke! content aside, pretty nice for a speed paint! yeah with that old straw it would have taken a month and a half to get there…
ps. glad you took my comment the right way! was not a dig. just joking with ya…
Schweeeeet piece of work!!
So, from an ol’ fart to a ‘youngster’, here’s my latest. From scratch, it took one day (with considerable head-banging, whining, screaming, etc.)
Hammer, chisel, great big block of Chinese turquoise. ‘Jade Ascending’.
nice one morbius. sorry about the screaming etc. turned out cool!
james, lets resurrect this thread (ps thank you ryan!):
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=29211&highlight=smudge+brush
Pete330, I do all kinds of work, rarely content this creepy! As I said, this is for a presentation at a custom motorcycle shop. And by all means, I’m spoiled and there’s nothing I can do about it but enjoy it! No offense taken, I paid plenty of dues along the road of illustration, but computer technology was handed to me on a silver platter (of course, after I handed over thousands$$$)
Morbius, Great piece! I really like the upward diagonal movement of it. It conveys a motivational, dream on kind of feeling with them reaching to the sky. I think the head banging, whining, screaming etc. part is a requirement of 3d! Not quite as much in 2d, but I’ve done my fair share of ZBrushing, so I certainly know about it!
Edit: Sorry Morbius, I just noticed that you did that with a hammer and chisel! Amazing! (probably even more head banging involved there, eh?) I love how ZBrush attracts so many traditional artists.
Thanks, Pete!
The lighting still sucketh greatly, but I’ll be working on that in the near future. Ain’t quite what I want yet.