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Mac & Zbrush 3 Thread

If you continue to post in your childishly condescending manner, then it can only be assumed you are an unsophisticated individual with no respect for anyone but yourself. Seriously, learn how to get your opinions across without resorting to playground tactics. Give it some practice.
Honestly… you have no idea how immature you come across.

Maybe. And if so, is that the end of everyone’s career? Did creativity die yesterday? I choose to look at it as a personal challenge, to see what I can do without the fancy new software.

It's not Apple's fault. They have never held on to old technology; that's what the other guys do. Occasionally, people get burned, but that's the way it goes. As for Pixologic, I find it hard to believe they deliberately set out to screw us. It was more of an unfortunate consequence. Due in part to their own clumsiness? Probably. It's a young company run by an old-school programmer. Programmers are generally a weird tribe, although they have a lot in common with artists. Usually don't have much in common with suits, and so I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a lot of classic business expertise within Pixologic. They know how to pay the bills, and do the payroll, or whatever. But as far as managing the business, having a coherent business strategy, having day-to-day tools and procedures for handling something like this mac thing, well I think one can make the argument that they're making it up as they go along. But hopefully they're taking notes.

You are too kind.

IMHO I feel swindled. Every time I see another awesome sculpt on the forum, I just feel like I got conned into buying ZBrush 2.0. I purchased just after seeing the demos at Siggraph 2006 in Boston. The way the features being demoed were presented, it certainly seemed an update was imminent. I figured like some stupid stiff that I'd be getting my 2.5 upgrade soon after I learned 2.0. Wrong. Sue me for taking people on face value. May 2007, No Zbrush 3.0 for mac. 1.5 years later... We get a 4th quarter release annoucement. If I'm ever asked about what I think about ZBrush .... BTW I reccommend software possibilites for all of Creative Services for The Boeing Company. 500+ graphics seats. I've never fessed up to Pixologic regarding this fact, but though, I think it's the graatest program out there, I won't ever reccommend it. Pixologic's poor performance in this matter will have consequences. Besides, I wouldn't want to be the guy defending a reccommendation if Pixologic does another boondoggle. I'm stupid, but not that stupid.

Damn good post. This is the kind of thing Pix will never recover from. Funny thing, I really truly believe they could care less too.

are all these 500+ graphics seats Mac only?

Anyway, I hope the best for the new version! Everyone has a right to complain as a customer even if he or she is wrong! Definitely Mac users in this situation are right. There was a mistreatment, but I don't think it was on purpose. I use Bootcamp, because in my mind there is no choice not to and professionally and creatively my choice felt really good after almost 1.5 years. But this was a choice I made and I would recommend if you really have to(and be able). But forcing people or blame them for not taking this route, is completely inappropriate especially after all this mistreatment.

Many times I hope I would only use my preferred OS, but in the long run it doesn’t really make a difference to me as an artist, it’s just a preference and i don’t like when when I am restricted from these.

No! Boeing is a mix. But were I to stick my neck out for Pixologic for either platform, I’d be a fool considering what has transpired.

Not surprisingly, my original gut reaction was deleted, so I’ll try to be more diplomatic this time.
First off, Poisons; Never kick a man when he’s down. He may get up.
You love coming in here and taunting us, as if our situation wasn’t bad enough already. If that’s what floats your boat, so be it.
In my post, I never said there was an existing mac version of ZBrush 3. In fact, I indicated that Pixo bit off more than they could chew in the development of a mac version, and have possibly exhausted much of their resources in the process. The fact that we never saw a single image from the “beta team”, or got a single progress report, was always suspect to me. So, you’re not telling me anything new.
I also, indicated we may never see a mac Z3. It’s a possibility I’m sure we’ve all considered. It’s been suggested very strongly by several people here more than once.
The only thing I do know is this; Pixologic has to start being upfront with us, and that hiding under a rock, or putting up smoke screens doesn’t solve the problem. It only makes it worse.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=62019

Correct me if I’m wrong here, since I don’t know al the previous statements of Pixologic but they sait that the next Version will be out for both systems this year. Other than the “as soon as it’s released” saying that is a (more or less) concrete date. There’s no ‘Windows will be released and the Mac update will soon follow for all registered ZBrush2 users’ any more.

Im also kinda getting why everybody is so upset about the lack of Mac Screenshots. There would be no difference to the Windows screens, wouldn’t it?

I can understand the anger but seeing as most alternatives are Windows based as well and VMware/Parallels/BootCamp integrates Win to Mac there’s not too much of a problem now, is it?
No offence, anyone.

When I saw the following…

“Hello everyone! SIGGRAPH is in full swing, and we know that everyone is hungry for ZBrush news. While a much larger announcement with more details will be coming after SIGGRAPH, we did want to share some information with the ZBC community as soon as possible.
The next release of ZBrush will be Version 3.5.
Version 3.5 will be released in the fourth quarter of 2008.
ZBrush 3.5 will be a FREE upgrade to all registered users (PC and Mac).
This will be the first unified version of ZBrush. That means that it will be released concurrently for Windows and Mac (Intel).
Obviously, there are new features in store, as well. More will be shared about this in the announcement after SIGGRAPH and in the upcoming months.”

…I was weirdly relieved - at last it is confirmed that the next mac release will be intel only. No more hoping in vain in using an upgrade on my (admittingly aging) ppc. Glad to get that straight, though it would have been helpful to know that a while ago out of simple courtesy. I’ll continue to use ZB 2 on my ppc as it is good, but certainly won’t be splashing out on an intel mac until ZB 3 is properly released. I hope it definitely happens when said, though I must say I am increasingly veering towards blender’s version of multi-resolution sculpting as an alternative. It’s obviously not as slick as ZB, but it does get improved regularly, and the support side of blender is very, very good. Against all evidence, I am hoping that Pixologic steps up it’s marketing and customer relations to a more accceptable level. It is currently letting down a good product. A massive and positive step would be for all notifications to come officially and directly from the Pixologic site, and not via a drip-fed unnofficial route, which despite being very community spirited, just adds to the general confusion. And the last thing any brand needs is confusion, i would have imagined. Despite all i have said, which has been in the spirit of constructive criticism, I do wish the development of ZB well. It’s just difficult to invest in any application, where the future of it is confused by poor communication.

It is unfortunate that the PPC platform is not going to be able to be supported going forward. I know that the development team really wanted to be able to provide that support for at least another version. In fact, I believe that has had a lot to do with the delays that we’ve experienced to date. But as I previously pointed out, given a choice between PPC or Intel Mac, the Intel would win. And that’s what it really came down to. It seems logical that if PPC had continued to be supported, there would ALWAYS be delays between platform releases. Not a good thing. :frowning:

Going forward, there are some major advantages to going with a unified version of ZBrush. It’s already been mentioned that PC and Mac will be able to be released concurrently. (And not just for 3.5) The second benefit is that development time will no longer need to be sacrificed to be able to do a platform port. This means that new versions will be able to be developed at an accelerated pace compared to what has been the case between 1.55b and now. This makes ZBrush stronger than ever going forward, which will be a very good thing for the user base as a whole. Mac and PC users, alike.

Thanks for your response, Aurick. Much appreciated.

You have stated that information on 3.5 will be forth-coming after Siggraph. Would this be at the end of Siggraph or sometime between the end Siggraph and the final release of 3.5.

Thanks Again for any clarification

Unfortunately for such a young minded theory, they just officially announced the unified Intel Mac/Windows release will be later this year. Coming from a company that switched their entire PR format over to COMPLETE silence until official news is 100% solid, they’re not making it up. That’s an outlandish and ridiculous theory! I mean, c’mon…

The absolute LAST thing they would do in their current situation is make an official unified release announcement at Siggraph, with no actual plans of releasing a Mac version (whoohahahaha! gotcha b*#ch!). Of every conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard, that is by far the most retarded.

For them to announce anything at all means that it is solid enough RIGHT NOW for them to release it. They’re simply being meticulous, making it as solid of an application as currently possible, and aiming for a lot of public attention by the holidays.

That’s cool. It sounds like they make ZBrush for Windows, and then export it to a Mac version without having to update it from the ground up. With Mac and PC gaps being bridged more every day, I’m sure dual platform development is becoming one step rather than two. I’m sure it’s still complicated, but in some way similar to that…

Thanks for the info, dude…

Oh wow…thanks Aurick. I will just run out now and buy that new Intel mac…THANKS! I feel so much better…thats great! I bought an outdated useless program…AWESOME! I feel SOOOOOOOO much better!

You might as well just told me that you werent doing a mac version at all and then said “thanks sucker!” as you slammed the door.

Appreciate the frank and open communication, Aurick.
It gives me real hope of seeing a ZBrush 3 for mac.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=62019&page=2&pp=15

I highly doubt there’s a ZBrush 3.5 coming to Mac. If there was they would have released 3.1 as promised a LONG time ago. Pixologic has absolutely nothing to show for a Mac version… I’m sure that even if they had remotely ANYTHING to show on Mac they would have showed it at Siggraph. I’m 99%… actually… 100% sure they’re not going to be delivering anything in December for Mac.

Prove me wrong and show a screenshot of ZB3.x running natively on OS X. Actions speak louder than words… which means Pixologic has said NOTHING about a Mac version yet, however they did take a lot of people’s money already… a LONG time ago.

Ditto! :slight_smile: James hit the nail on the head there!

Thanks so much for the info, Aurick. It is much appreciated.

Sometimes you just can’t please everyone, no matter what you say or do, and while I’m no ‘angel’ and have shared in the frustrations of many others here, it IS good to have some solid word on the nature of things.

And it is ONLY because ZBrush IS such a magnificent piece of software, everyone in the Mac community just wants to get their hands on it, and join in the fun! Can’t hardly blame them for that. :slight_smile:

Clearly now, our patience WILL be rewarded, and hopefully future updates will not bring such further tribulations.

If it DOES happen for us in December, then it will be a wonderful Christmas present for the Mac Community, and if for some reason not, then at least we know FOR SURE that it IS coming!

Peace to all.

Thanks again!

Morbius

sorry angelldude - i can tell you’re po’d - but even apple doesn’t support ppc anymore. afaik 10.6 says bye-bye to ppc for good in their eyes. i’m sure that’s a big point in pixo’s decision. good news is a core 2 duo mini with 2 gigs only costs around $600 US. still i admit i’m a bit surprised 3.1 couldn’t get a ub. newtek even pulled off a ub with their outdated amiga code! :wink: but then maybe it will. right now we only know that 3.5+ won’t.