Man, that’s like some kinda brilliant observation, huh. Too bad those dumbassed Mac users never had you pointing this out to them before. Because only PCs have access to Google and can find good prices for memory, right? You weren’t quite smart enough to spell “seems” right or to get that tricky plural-vs-singular thing down… or to realize a Mac Pro buyers can and generally do shop around for cheaper memory, though. But keep working on the snark. You’ve at least got that goin’ for ya. :rolleyes:
i’m confused as to why there are two threads about 3.5.
hopefully i’ll still be alive when its released.:lol:
Just ignore Miztli. He’s just trolling for a Mac vs PC thing . . .
Wow this Thread has strayed so OT…
I am looking at buying Mudbox, ZBrush or maybe 3DCoat but if ZBrush doesn’t release something before April then I may be buying Mudbox as I want to sculpt and don’t want to wait forever! So wasn’t Pixologic supposed to release ZBrush 3.5 first Q '09?
Anyone have any idea as to when 3.5 (mac & pc simultaneous) is being released? 
Ronbo13 - I was talking about Apple upgrades and Apple prices. What don’t you understand in that simple thing? It was all about Apple ripping off their clients. Period.
As for spelling - I am sure You can imagine that somewhere are countries where English is not a native language, don’t you? Now, I can communicate in 4 different languages easily (even if I can misspell some times :rolleyes:). I wonder which more besides English you can LOL.
Kerwin - yeah, just ignore me. And do not feel bad if you pay 500 bucks more for a memory upgrade. After all you will not upgrade JUST a NORMAL PC but MAC, don’t you? LOL
Paint Guy - at the moment no one has any idea when Z3.5 will be released. I have a feeling that that includes its developers. Whats more - being mad about lack of information from Pixologic is considered here either as “whining” or “trolling”. Pixologic apparently is a God to his believers. Because for some of them long time ago Zbrush stopped to be just a soft and Pixologiclogic just developers…
Since I’ve not paid above market price for memory, I don’t have that problem. I don’t by memory from Apple anymore than I buy radios from Ford. I also don’t buy memory from HP or Dell, for the same reason. Ignoring you is easy, View Profile -> Add to ignore list. Even though you speak 4 languages, apparently trying to turn a ZB 3.5 status thread into an Apple bash eludes you. Apparently linguistic fidelity doesn’t translate into civility. Since you are clueless, I’ll live without your bon mots. (I manage a shop that actually has machines from a good dozen manufacturers including the brands I’ve cited. I’m also quite familiar with the prices from Boxx and Alienware and they aren’t giving anything away either.)
And do not feel bad if you pay 500 bucks more for a memory upgrade. After all you will not upgrade JUST a NORMAL PC but MAC, don’t you? LOL
$500 for a memory upgrade? Which planet are you on? I bought my Mac 2 months ago and upgraded my memory from 2 GB to 4 GB for under $100.
I’ve been using PCs for 15 years and bought my first Mac 2 months ago. I’ve earned my living administering PC networks for the last 15 years. PCs have been good to me. I make a lot of money supporting Microsoft products, and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle.
But my blood pressure goes down when I get home from work and fire up the Mac. Unlike Windows, it doesn’t constantly behave like a menopausal crack whore.
W
“Since I’ve not paid above market price for memory, I don’t have that problem.”
Did ever crossed your mind that somebody actually did overpaid? And that someone else may - thanks to that kind of “bashing” look more carefully at the bill and check the other options? Its not exactly a rocket science to figured this out.
“Even though you speak 4 languages, apparently trying to turn a ZB 3.5 status thread into an Apple bash eludes you.”
Well there is nothing else to say, is it? You have ANYTHING to say in the matter of 3.5 status? Anyone has? Apart of “lets just wait” and “it will be marvelous!” I mean…
“Apparently linguistic fidelity doesn’t translate into civility.”
How you define “civility”? If as saying BS in the nice way, being dishonest with yourself and others just for sake of being consider as a “nice guy” then you’re right. It didn’t.
You’re absolutely right about Boxx and Alienware, however first of all - they are not ripping off people that much as Apple does, second - they have in offer wider selection of adjustments and upgrades you may do to machine when buying.
I think there should be a sticky with links to every ‘zbrush status’ thread
starting with v2, and before either posting in the current v thread (or even
buying the software for that matter) people should go back and read them
through…
Save yourself some heartache - Pixologic is very much a known quantity -
and most people do care, they’re likely already jaded from their own
attempts at reasoning with the brick wall.
Regarding Apple, it’s no different than Mercedes - everyone knows if you buy
extras from the dealer you get ripped off. If you can’t be bothered to do a
little research and comparison shopping before you buy, you’re going to pay
more. Seriously, duh. :idea:
It’s not really an argument at all. You can either deal with reality, or else be uselessly pissed off and disappointed.
I know you are pissed off, and you have a right to your feelings. But, as I said, it’s just the facts of life. If mac had a larger user base then it would be the other way around and PC version would have more problems.
It’s not an issue with pixologic itself. I wish they’d do certain things and it makes me crazy how some of zbrush works but on the other hand they are amazingly good at what they do in other ways.
If they had delayed the release of mac further, people would complain. If they released a really buggy version, people would complain. If they said every five minutes what their plans are, people would say they were liars and incompetents with no credibility and they’d complain. If they never revealed anything then people would complain. That’s just life.
There’s no software company ever made that both reachs all its targets and delivers on all the promises it makes and is bug free. That’s just reality and nothing can change that.
No one out there is successfully making software this complex on multiple platforms without running into similar problems of either having some versions lag far behind, be buggier, or both. As I said before, much of this is due to the way Apple has been mismanaged lately, but it’s always just a fact of life.
If you have thousands of dollars at stake, the solution is easy - buy a new PC computer. It’s not a matter of bashing one platform, but the reality is that zbrush doesn’t work as well on mac. You might think 3.5 will solve your problems, but as I said I would not count on it. They could easily be worse.
I’m certainly no fan of microsoft in general or the windows OSes in particular, but right now they have the most support from software vendows and that’s not going to change any time soon. If anything, the situation is getting worse because the one thing M$ is good at is catering to the developers (even writing their code!). Apple on the other hand, has always been bad in this respect and has gotten much worse laterly. To you I’m just a dude on the internet and I won’t bore you with credentials and years of experience because when it doesn’t mean a lot o be honest, but I do know a fair amount about software development.
So…you can be pissed off, or you can deal with the mac version and vainly hope 3.5 will magically fix all your concerns, or get a PC. Those are the only choices. The first one is totally useless and the second one looks like it will hold a lot of frustration for many users. The third one kind of sucks, but like I said if you have thousands at stake then spending 1500 bucks on a decent PC for an instant solution is a no brainer.
How much more pissed off would people be if they’d announced it would be out in august 2008 and it didn’t come out til december 2009 or they released it in august of 2008 and it was full of bugs and had half the promised features and/or terrible performance? That’s how most software companies work.
People like to know what’s coming and when, obviously, but with software development it’s not easy to do that and even making the attempt adds signifigantly to the software’s development cost. Especially with complicated, exploratory software, more so than just simply large software (which is often very similar to past projects and much easier to estimate).
Each attitude has its consequences, and both will make certain people angry.
2012 is around the corner, pleas hurry up!!
Keep the 1500 bucks, run windows on the Mac with Parallels or VMware Fusion and ask Pix for a temporary license for ZBrush PC.
Keep the 1500 bucks, run windows on the Mac with Parallels or VMware Fusion and ask Pix for a temporary license for ZBrush PC.
Well, that’s the problem in some cases. Asking pixologic is easy. Getting them to respond and give the license is quite another matter. It took many emails before they even acknowledged my existence, and that was only after I emailed several entire departments, including the CEO. Then they gave me a 30 day evaluation of zbrush 3.0 instead of 3.1.
I have better things to do with my time than plead with pixologic for a new eval copy every 30 days.
Walter
Unless you need to run Zmapper, in which case Parallels and Fusion won’t help. Best solution in that route: Bootcamp with XP64 or Vista64. (I’m using Vista 64 myself, and it’s OK in SP1 with Bootcamp 2.1 despite a few quirks–looking forward to Windows7.)
unfortunately ZMapper doesn’t work under Bootcamp neither.
Same issue like Parrallels and VMWare.
What OS and Graphics card are you using ZB under Bootcamp? I’ve had no problems with three different macs (late model Intels with Nvidia graphics sets . . .)
-K
Ouch ! You scare me !!!
ATI Radeon X1900 XT
Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55)
MacPro 2 x 3 Ghz Quad Core Intel Xeon
8 Go 667 DDR2 FB-DIMM
What version of Windows are you, running under Bootcamp?
I have a virtually identical machine I but with Nvidia (8800 GT) and Vista 64 . . .
What symptoms are you having?
-K
Now that we can all see how broken ZB 3.12 is, it’s no wonder they had to go back and delay the 3.5 release. There’s a lot to fix on the Mac version. I’m sure that’s why it’s taking longer, because they said it would be released on both OS’s simultaneously.