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Which platform do you primarily use ZBrush with? (Mac or PC)

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#41

I hear and feel what your saying.
BUT!!

What the software people might not understand is that there are a lot more mac people now, due to the fact that they started making intel based mac’s
Lets face the facts. Windows XP and Vista are CRAP to work under. Look how easy it is in leopard to find files and preview them. I don’t know how many times windows has made me miss a deadline and OS X has never crashed on me. Never not once. I’ve been making and using PC’s for years and I was a big PC fan boy. Until one day I was using zbrush in windows xp and that bitch crashed on me. Then I ran out and got 1 mac pro and 2 mac books and a mac mini for the house. I’ve never been so happy. I don’t have to install tons of other apps to keep my OS running safe and I don’t have to work on computer problems AT ALL. Everything just works now and it saves me tons of time. I can’t wait for you guys to make a version of zbrush that works on a iphone. :slight_smile:

Anyway. You can tell by this poll that people are buying macs now more than ever before and that the software makers need to start finding mac programers. Just becasue there are more windows pc’s in the world doesn’t mean pc’s are the best platform to make programes on. And lets face even more facts about this lack of software myth that is out there. Windows has more crapy software than MAC for people to chose from. But at the end of the day the pc people will be running the same software as the mac users. Photoshop, MAYA, MODO, Lightwave, SiLO, After effects Combustion SHAKE Lightroom and VUE6. All those apps run on both mac and pc. If you want to play games then buy a XBOX 360. It’s only simple logic that you would want to run those apps in Leopard. IMO leopard handels RAM and open gl better than windows. DX10 is crap and MS has locked people into using it.

END of mac fan boy rant.
sigh…

When ZB3 comes out for the mac users we will shut up. But until then look for more rants. But take your time on making ZB3 for MAC. I want it to be nice and stable.

And as a MAC user it’s my job to bitch to software makers to support my OS.
I’m the customer and supply and demand is still very active, and is the back bone to making and selling software.

I use zbrush there for I am.
I demand and you supply and I give you my money so you can eat.
SLAP!

Love you guys and keep up the good work.

PS In all the art studios I’ve been to I’ve seen more MACs than PCs But I did see alot of render farms that were all PC based. I even say a PS3 render farm.

-peace

#42

Macs only hold 2.9 % of worldwide market share in sales, I believe this number has inched up slightly in recent months to somewhere around 3. something. 4.2 million Mac units sold as opposed to 67 million PC units worldwide in 07. What this means to me is simple. The cost of developing our fav app ZB is being payed for by our PC friends. I am a business man and I understand that. We use Macs because we know they are very well made and give us the computer experience we desire. It is worth waiting for a great app like ZB to come around to our platform and I am sure it will be worth every minute of agonizing pain we go though using Windows to get our work done.
Besides every time we open windows it’s just a reminder of how much it really dose SUCK !!! But you have to admit it’s awesome that we have a computer that will run anything we need.

Cheers :rolleyes:

#43

… And what percentage of those PCs are typewriters, cash registers, gaming rigs?

… What is the percentage of Professional designers, Illustrators, Vfx people Use Macs?.. a great deal more than that my friend.

#44

does the office having 2 macs count as 1 vote or 2?

mac, of course.

#45

Heh, this poll is sooooo inaccurate, especially since most that are viewing this are linked to here from the Mac News (unofficial) in the support forum. Those running on PC are working with ZB3 and don’t have time for polls in the community forum, and chances are didn’t even know there was a poll. I only ran into it because I was in that forum checking on the status of ZB3 on Mac for a co-worker.

Kinda like taking a poll from the bible belt region on who should be president and reporting it as the American opinion. (sorry if this ends up as a political discussion)

edit: I don’t mean to imply that Mac users are a bunch holy rollers

#46

14 Hours Ago Post#11

Thread: So incredibly annoying
aurick
Super Moderator

This will be addressed for the PC after the Mac version of Z3 has been released.

:eek:

#47

voller, this is exactly what i said on the first page.
i see this thread is coming along nicely. wonder why the mods havent integrated it into the other mac thread yet.

#48

Sadly true, it’s pretty much meaningless. I think it was moved here from the Main Forum, pity it might have had a more meaningful response there.

#49

Guess I should have read through the post :slight_smile:

I don’t want to call Mac users a bunch of whiners either, as they’ve should have received some sort of news as to why the Mac version is slow to be released. But I do think many are unaware of what it takes to port a more complicated piece of software to another OS, and expect it to be “just done”, like there’s nothing preventing them from finishing it. Pushing only causes frustation, and doesn’t help unless you are in a sweat shop. But again, they should be told what the problem is. I’m sure they’d understand if it had to do with Carbon or Cocoa (no idea how these work, just that it was a headache for a few developers) and the unexpectedly fast release of Leopard screwing up the development of the Mac version they were working on. If it’s taking a long time to develop, there must be some roadblock, hardware or software wise, that prevents an easy port to the Mac OS. It’s the same road that PS3 owners are facing when PC and XBox 360 games are ported over to them.

Unfortunately, a poll is probably not going to change Pixologic’s mind.

#50

Hmm, will we be seeing a release this month for the Mac’ers? Placing my bet for April 15th. A little optimistic…

Also sounds like the Mac version will be more stable until they can get their staff back onto the PC version for the fix.

#51

I have 2 applications that I run on Bootcamp. zBrush and 3Ds Max.

I’m watching DVD’s for Maya so I can get away from 3Ds Max and thank goodness zBrush is in beta for Mac. I can’t wait to dump windows for good :wink:

#52

Mac’s 2007 market share was 3.2%. I read an article a few months back that had a link on CG Talk that said in the CG Market they were at about 15%. If you could get a good sample of ZBrush users I don’t think it would be anywhere near these numbers.

I’ve found this argument odd for some time now. Since XP SR2 I’ve not had a single crash on any of my machines and zero viruses simply by keeping my anti-virus updated. There seems to be a myth about Vista also. I’ve had it on a laptop for a year without a single problem. Some vendors were slow out of the gate with drivers but that was pretty much incompetence on their parts. All the complaints I saw were from people who did not take the few minutes to figure out a handful of changes and tweak a few settings.

Any software developer who is not nuts has to give priority to PC’s. It benefits us all as it helps keep prices down and specialty developers from going belly up.

As for me, my buying decisions are purely pragmatic. Cheaper, faster, more choices of software and since I use these for more than just CG; just plain smarter. If I had money to throw around I’d have both though. For now I’d rather save for a couple of Cintiq’s for the office an home.

From the rants I read around the Net, many Mac user must not have used a PC ever or since the bad old days before PC’s got really fast and before XP Pro.??? Some of the arguments were true then but they are not now.

#53

Don’t throw that 64 bit version of Vista away just yet…

No 64 bit CS4 for Mac because last year they announced discontinuing support for carbon when Jobs told Adobe and the world they would still support it a year earlier. Nothing like rewriting a million lines of code. But what’s a 10% increase in speed mean to anyone anyway?

I have not used Vista yet, so I can’t comment on it. But I do not have any problems with XP. The only time I’ve ever bluescreened in XP was when my NVidia driver for the Quadro got corrupted and it was stuck in a loop. Just had to reinstall the driver to fix. Software crashing wise, I’ve crashed more on a PC only because I push them harder and I use them 99% of the time. But on a Mac I’ve still crashed out of programs many a time (mostly in Photoshop), without even pushing them to any real limits. I’ve tried using Mac’s, and had to at work for about a year, but everything feels backwards and inefficient. But Mac users feel the same way when attempting to use windows. Whatever makes sense to you, use it.

#54

Totally Agree. I’m a Mac person and used PCs in previous jobs and a copy of virtual PC for testing web code etc. Whatever you find easy use it. I grew up on macs all my family have them and my friends are Mac Addicts. I still appreciate that each to their own is the best way. Having said that " go buy a mac :wink: . Only kidding. Or am I!!!

Roll on the Mac version of 3 though. Can’t wait. Don’t have an intel version so I’m still using version 2 on my PPC macs. I hope it’ll work with my old macs otherwise I’m gonna be using version 2 for some time til I can get some cash for an Intel Mac Pro.

#55

I saw just Apple’s second quarter earnings. ZanG!

Pixologic needs to pay attention. It’s clear that Vista is DOA. I’d be very surprised if 3.0 is not released for mac by July. The Mac user base is expanding at twice the rate of PC.

Any software developer knows this; Pixologic can and will lose market share to other apps (Modo, etc) because they aren’t supporting the mac.

Don’t be surprised if Mudbox is dual platform eventually coming from Autodesk. BTW when that happens, I’m gone.

As brilliant as ZBrush is, the technology of subD sculpture is showing up in other apps. Competition is a healthy thing, bringing better overall tools to the user. For right now ZBRush has a niche advantage. Not supporting aggressively an expanding user base on the Mac platform may prove to be folly.

Timing is everything. Goodwill and being well thought of is also extremely important. Pixologic has scored very highly on the tech and aesthetic side of its development. Bad PR, weak communication and what appears to be offhand support of a segment of its market (Mac users) may prove to be its Achille’s heel.

Pixologic: ya snooze ya loose.

#56

As further evidence of the growing interest in Macs among enterprise customers, IBM’s Research Information Services launched an internal pilot program designed to study the possibility of moving significant numbers of employees to the Mac platform. :eek:

#57

For those who use parametric nurbs modeling for RP, Rhino is in the final beta testing mode for release of Rhino on OSX :smiley:

#58

Mac

#59

Of course; Mac :wink:

#60

mac