ZBrushCentral

What's wrong with "nudity" ?

Community
#10

Actually, and thinking about it, I truly have to second Jantim. The ‘Violence’ tag should be equaly present. I have a strong opinion regarding works like Hellgate and equal works and would happily skip those in favor of the other Masterpieces.
:cool:
Lemo

PS:I am truly convinced that a gory medieval impalement scene featuring my old cousin Vlad would most likely bring me plenty of stars and probably a Top row… Where the correct depiction of a friendly Purple Dinosaur would most likely lead to banishment… Hmmmmm must contemplate that…:evil:

#11

Big bucks in filth!!
Thanks for the llinks to the porn sites!( Renderotica)
Happy New Year

#12

Hahaha, someone in the entertaining industry once said: “You can’t go broke while underestimating the taste of your audience!”. I second that!

Lemo

PS:Put’s organic modeling into a new light. Doesn’t it?!:lol:

#13

Have always enjoyed information that tells you not to, and
then lists where to go so you will find it.

Years ago a sure way to insure a books success was to ban
it in Boston.

Sort of a puritanical infommercial.

A list of those disgusting, filthy, and degenerate sites
would be appreciated.

I promise not to go there if you give me the links.

#14

Who cares if it shows a boob… as long there are no penetrations, ejaculations i dont really consider it porn.

#15

Bicc39… HaHaHaHa… made my day that post :smiley:
Lemo

PS:Wasn’t your location NH???

#16

Moved, more exotic sites in NY.

#17

degenerate art…

http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/weekly/aa072599.htm
http://www.olinda.com/ArtAndIdeas/lectures/ArtWeDontLike/entarteteKunst.htm

Not that I knew anything about this before doing a google search mind you.

#18

lol…glad to help with the link… :slight_smile:

The thing with that site and the reason I found it was due to my desire at the time to post things that weren’t appropriate for this forum or RR. But you know how the need to post your work is, so I found that site. Posted a couple of goodies, but havent been there in ages. Did get alot of questions about zbrush then from the viewers though. Alot of Poser paper doll porn…made me yawn so I came back home to zbc like a good boy. anyhoo…

Person thoughts on the gore and violence (which I personally love to depict) on RR, I use the violence tags…and normally I don’t get toooooo carried away here, but have put a mention of the violence, blood, gore or whatever in my titles…not always but I do try to remember.

The other thing for me…violence and death are natural things…nudity is natural…and I see nudity daily…no big…(hey a fellow has to bathe :slight_smile: ) and violence and death are always everpresent…you see it on the sides of highways, roadkill, funerals…

Porn and erotica are choices I may or may not choose to view.

wink wink…

but stay out of my dvds…muhahahhaaaaa… Cannibal Holocaust rules!!! Dead Alive isnt too shabby either:cool:

Peace,
Ron
[email protected]

#19

A lot of things are natural, but do you want to see them? An old man or a dog taking a dump is natural, but I don’t want to see that. I might laugh at it, but I still don’t want to see it.

Not to get off topic, but this also reminds me of some debate about a story I heard a long time ago about a group of women trying to get a law past that would let them breast feed their babies in public or at work. Their argument was that it was only natural and that they felt inconvenienced by having to go somewhere private to do that.
My answer to that is the same as above. I remember saying this to myself while staring at the television shaking my head. “Well madam, I have to take my morning constitution, would you mind if I squated in front of you? It’s only natural”.
Eating is natural, sleeping is natural, relations between a husband and wife are natural, but there’s a time and place for those things because we humans are not animals and we have ( or used to have ) a thing called “dignity”, “decency”, and dare I say “modesty”.

These kinds of debates goes on all the time. The art field is no different from any other field. Some like to redifine the debate based on their claims that it’s an “artform” or an “expression”.
The same principle applies no matter what the context or medium is. Just like the endowment for the arts will have artistic displays depicting a cross in a glass jar of urine and somehow it is taken as acceptable because it is classified as “art”. We all know the firestorm of debate that raised.

I guess we have these debates because we live in a day and age of an existentialist society. With each passing generation which has it’s own ideas, values, and beliefs which have a less and less shared commonality, the debate continures. Today’s inappropriate is tomorrow’s appropriate.
Just my 2 cents…
Thank you for your time.

Keep Z’n

#20

We see a lot of monster, creepy creatures, bloody things and so on on Zbrush central. My questions is very simple; between these pics and a nudity cg pic which one is most disturbing to the viewer?

Banning nudity is not a solution but if we put a tag for it, then let put a tag on the one containing blood, deformed faces…

Maybe we should just create a nudity spot on this forum;)
matt

#21

…and a special site for the dumps( old men, especially)
Thank you Woody!:+1:

#22

A nudity spot… Hmmmmm… I don’t think that it would be a good idea to segment the forum. I think that the way it works right now is just fine. I cannot remember a single post which was so out of line that I would have moved my mouse for a complaint…

Last night I started to play with the particle system of my animation package… and what did I end up with… A realistic Headshot scene… Sighhhh gone forever are the innocent animations of purple Dinos…

RON WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME ???

Happy new year to you all!!!
Lemo

#23

muhahahahahah Lemo…

The difference between gore and porn stuff is that …to me…

  1. With the exception of a few serial killers in the world, I don’t think that it really excites a person enough to go out and hurt someone. Though visually graphic as gore can be depicted on the computer or in movies…(CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST or even MURDER SET PIECES) it turns most people away. They have an extremely small niche’ in the world.

  2. Porn…I would dare to say most people at some point in their lives are exposed to that…and some stay hooked on it…the internet has proved that…(when is the last time you were spammed by a gore type site?..) Porn is obviously more popular…I go out and try to find the most violent sites imaginable for idle curiosity, they are relatively far and few in between. In my earlier net days, yeah I sought out the adult sites…there is no difficulty in finding stuff to say the least. And on the subject of natural stuff… ie the doo doo, scat and fecophiliac sites…lol they are plentiful. And no I am not into that …shudders…we sat down one night just throwing random "dirty " words into google to see what would come up…there was not one smutty word we used that didn’t have plentiful matches. No telling what we would find now if I did that again. snicker…it was funny though :slight_smile:

I worked at our maximum security prison for a year in Nashville, several years ago. Saw and met the worst of the worst there…most of them owned alot of porn…never once found a Fangoria magazine laying anywhere in any cell I ever shook down.

There are alot more rapists in the system than Jason Voorhees type killers for sure.

Not against porn (cept kiddie porn and barnyard porn…nothing redeeming in that subject for me) but there is a time and place for most everything.

and btw…one of our earlier foremost artists did sneak porn onto the forum a couple of times…it was quickly taken down by the mods here, but he deliberately exposed the forum to a zsphere model giving itself …hmmm let’s say a digitally performed prostate check while on all fours…made me laugh…but zbc was not the place for that…

I normally leave butterflies and puppy dog images to other people to depict (though I have had my own moments ) because I like the darker stuff…And when zbc ever puts a Violence tag in place I will religiously use it because then it has become the law of the land at zbc which I call home and have called home for the past 5 years.

and btw…

HAPPY NEW YEARS EVE

EVERYONE!!!


best wishes,
Ron
[email protected]

#24

Barnyard porn?

#25

Yep, some people like to watch chickens do it… sick eh?

I remember the picture in question you were taling about. I saw one before just like it that someone did with Photoshop of a real person. It does remind me of a few people I know hehe.

I like monsters and things like that too as long as it’s not tooo over the top. I’ve been a horror and science fiction fan myself and I’ll never forget watching the first real gore movie back in the late 70’s I think. “Dawn of the dead”. I still remember as a kid watching that biker in the mall who fell off his bike and a bunch of zombies ripped his stomach open… well you know the rest.

Moderation for me I guess, as long as it’s not overly gory.

Happy new year and keep Z’n
-WOODY-

#26

Two threads.
One shows a naked breast.

One mentions the following:
Prostrate check:o
Kiddie porn
Barnyard porn:+1:
Doo, doo(?)
Scat
Fecophiliac
Dog taking a dump:(
Penetrations
Ejaculations.

Which one do you let the child read?
Which is easier to explain?
Which do we want to see more of?

Aurick: it is time.

#27

sorry Bic, was only mentioning those areas…

Woody, yeah Dawn of the Dead is a perfect example of what is in discussion here…that movie was the turning point for me…I was too young to see it, but they let me in anyways…midnight movie…took a taxi across town…the radio commercial hooked me to see it…sat in the second row…and that was truly my turning point into gore…When I saw the tenament scene where the swat members were driving the people out of the housing…and the Miquel zombie bit his wife’s neck and forearm…I was forever hooked…I had never seen anything that realistic etc…and it literally did something to me…and have been striving for that realism and shock effect ever since. Romero and Savinni scarred me forever…love em to death but they are the ones responsible for me being the gorehound I am today…but my point being had my mother screened my activities I would not have went to that showing…and wouldnt be the twisted artist I am today…because that was the turning point from Star Wars and Frankenstein, Wolfman, Dracula and the Mummy to something way more sinister in my own visions of what scares a person…and here we are. I was at the right place at the right time, but unsupervised…

January should prove a good month for horror…Bloodrayne, Feast, and Underworld II…

Covering the whole gambit on this thread…

ron

edit…

ps…

Which one do you let the child read?
Which is easier to explain?
Which do we want to see more of?

As a parent of a 12 year old son and a 14 year old daughter…I monitor their net activities like a hawk… But they know that if they see something questionable, their father will more than happily have a family discussion about something they have read or seen. The inet is the tree of knowledge full of forbidden fruit…and I have to stay on top of things to let them know what fruit is good and what is bad and why…and for most five year olds…hmmmm well I didnt let my kids on the net till 2 years ago…and their time is still extremely limited…knowledge good or bad doesn’t really do anything on it’s own until it’s acted upon…and hopefully I have instilled enough sound beliefs in my kids that when I happen to not be around they wll have enough common sense to steer clear of objectionable (sp?) materials. They see my dark art…ie monsters and zombies and either go that looks pretty kewl, daddy or most fo the time just yawn and go on about their business…

My daughters art consists of drawing pics of hearts ripped in half with wings on them …depicting lost boyfriends, or how pseudo badly she has it growing up in a strict household…lol…it really cracks me up sometimes…or when I sat her down for a somewhat serious sketching session…she likes to draw medieval woman in armor also…

My son…Pokemon type monsters, cars, and Digimon stuff…but most of his time is spent playing the latest video games…One time we had him on the computer when he was alot younger and he was logged into the Nickelodeon site for kids…playing some game…and he called to me…said the computer was doing something…I walked over and some dang pop up had locked up the computer and was uploading an erotic pic of a beautiful Asian girl fully nude…told him to close his eyes until the computer rebooted…stuff happens…I was mad about it…but it was something alot of people experience one way or another whilst on the net…

teach your kids and supervise their activities and alot of problems will go away or be nipped in the bud before they ever become a problem.

Now the grownups that experience whatever unpleasant…I would say don’t click on untrusted links…and if you know your artist and they make ugly pics like mine, don’t click on the links or thumbnails…

well enough rambling from me…time to get ready to go get appetizers before we go out to celebrate…the fatman is going booty dancin’.

be safe all…

ron

#28

Mr. Harris…:+1:
Happy New Year!

However.
Would like to be a fly on the wall in the Harris household
the day you explain fecophiliac.
No zbrush allowed.

#29

hahaha bicc…that would be a fun time to be a fly. mostly because I would buzz his ear and dare him to say that 3 times as fast as he can.

interesting thread.

mostly agree with Pixologic’s stand on it but did see some “dangly bits” in the bottom row for quite some time before they were ummmmm snipped. Knew they would eventually be but found it interesting to be thinking…

man when are they gonna edit that…

when i haven’t really thought too much about the female dangly bits showing for same amount of time…

think it has more to do with how often such a thing occurs rather than any kind of bias but will have to think about that one on my end.

always an interesting no “win” topic…fun to read the various views tho.