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What's wrong with "nudity" ?

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#1

Hi,

I’m just curious what do you think about this “nudity” madness ?

I call it insanity because - cm’n - UV layout with “nudity” tag ? http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/search.php?price_search_1=free Renderosity artists closing galleries and shops because of “nudity” ? People bugging artists on zbcentral.com because they dared to make naked woman ?
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=30707&page=5&pp=15

Some people are really hypocritical or puritanical ?
Sure, you can “browse Zbrush galleries with your 5 years old kid and she/he can see somebody NAKED” :rolleyes: ? Will it twist their mind ?

Believe or not but a lot of paintings in Church contains nudity,in fact some of the most precious paintings and sculptures in the world history are with people who are completly nude,if artist wanted to make somebody NUDE - what’s wrong with it ? It was his choice as an artist.

If somebody wants to see pornography somewhere he will see it everywhere (especially in own mirror after taking shower).I’m just surprised how eagerly some people will remind you that you make “pornography” - pitty they don’t eagerly fight with with real pornography.

#2

ZBrushCentral isn’t really the venue to be discussing the issues of society as a whole. This particular topic is a rather volatile one, and can easily erupt into a heated exchange. Anyone who wishes to reply to this thread should keep in mind that we are watching it closely and will close the thread if it gets out of hand.

The bottom line where sites like ours are concerned is that we have a very, very large member base that spans the world. Every society is different in its views on a wide variety of subjects, including nudity.

In order to allow ZBC to remain a friendly site for all members, we have adopted policies that allow artistic nudity (as opposed to erotica) to be portrayed here at ZBC while also making it avoidable by those who do not wish to view it or are offended by it. This resolves the issue for everyone, provided that both sides of the issue are courteous toward their peers.

The rules are:

  1. It must be artistic nudity and not erotica or pornography.
  2. The title of the post must contain the “(NUDITY)” tag so that people who do not wish to view such material can avoid the post.
  3. When uploading the image to ZBC, it should not be inserted into the post. This will allow it to still be accessed via a thumbnail at the bottom of the post.3b) If it is inserted into the post, the ATT and /ATT tags should be changed to ATN and /ATN to prevent ZBC from creating a thumbnail on the main page. That way, the nudity will not appear on the main page with no option for people to avoid it.
    We ask that all members keep these rules in mind when posting such images, and even more important please remain courteous toward your fellow members and tolerant of their beliefs at all times – even when such philosophies are opposite your own.

Thank you.

#3

The above statement sounds reasonable to me. I’m pretty conservative myself, but I’m also an artist who appreciates good skill, form, and expression when I see it- Including nudity if it’s done in a tasteful manner.
Some of the great masters of the past who’ve created paintings and sculpters like King David almost always potrayed them nude, but they are done in a way to portay form and skill.
What I don’t personally care for are sites that have a lot of “Poser” type nudes of women in provacative clothing and poses that just seems cheap or caters to the baser apects of our human nature.

#4

Woody you are right on target I think with all you said.

Aurick, I agree.

Nothing wrong with a nude figure. What the nude figure is doing or the scene the nude is in is what makes it erotic or pornographic. Like my father said, “There is a time and place for everything.”

You spoke of renderosity. I know recently of a female photographer that was taking some very erotic and over the top images. I found myself curious enough to track her works. The images screamed sex, but when I commented on what I saw, I was targeted with negative comments. Some of the images looked like work from an adult magazine. Go figure…I believe in freedom of expression, but in the right forums. Forums like Renderotica.com are perfect places for people to share their erotic imagery, I don’t think ZBC or RR are those types of places personally. You have to keep in mind the viewers. I know we have children that look on the forum here. Though I don’t mind them seeing a nude monster, angel or human I do mind them seeing those same figures in an erotically depicted scene. I have a son 12 and a daughter 14…They are still supervised when watching dvds and movies on tv…I make them turn their heads when the smut comes on the screen, but I will let them see a nude native running thru the woods chasing prey or a nude drawing or zbrush piece. Kids are influenced by what they see…adults are too…

And I am not condemning erotica, but like I said there is a time and a place for it. I understand your anger, but alot of responsibility relies on the artist who created the pieces in question.

Touchy subject but a kewl thread…

Looking forward to hearing more views on the subject.

kind regards as always,
Ron
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#5

Well written Ron! Can’t add anything.
Lemo

#6

I like zbc’s policies (as outlined by aurick) simply because it makes it safe for me to browse zbc while at work. I know which threads not to click on until I get home.

#7

I think that :
… nudity kicks ass :+1:
thats all :stuck_out_tongue:
I like “nudity” tags, i know wich threads to click first :laughing:small_orange_diamond:laughing:small_orange_diamond:laughing:small_orange_diamond:laughing:small_orange_diamond:laughing:small_orange_diamond:laughing:

#8

I think it is interesting that images that contain " gore" ,or depict deformed and /or scarred people as some sort of freaks, don’t seem to be needing a " tag" …:confused:

jantim

#9

Yep, thats streange, it is wrong to watch porn or nudity, but it is ok to watch ppl die or kill each other in tv or gore here :smiley:

#10

Actually, and thinking about it, I truly have to second Jantim. The ‘Violence’ tag should be equaly present. I have a strong opinion regarding works like Hellgate and equal works and would happily skip those in favor of the other Masterpieces.
:cool:
Lemo

PS:I am truly convinced that a gory medieval impalement scene featuring my old cousin Vlad would most likely bring me plenty of stars and probably a Top row… Where the correct depiction of a friendly Purple Dinosaur would most likely lead to banishment… Hmmmmm must contemplate that…:evil:

#11

Big bucks in filth!!
Thanks for the llinks to the porn sites!( Renderotica)
Happy New Year

#12

Hahaha, someone in the entertaining industry once said: “You can’t go broke while underestimating the taste of your audience!”. I second that!

Lemo

PS:Put’s organic modeling into a new light. Doesn’t it?!:lol:

#13

Have always enjoyed information that tells you not to, and
then lists where to go so you will find it.

Years ago a sure way to insure a books success was to ban
it in Boston.

Sort of a puritanical infommercial.

A list of those disgusting, filthy, and degenerate sites
would be appreciated.

I promise not to go there if you give me the links.

#14

Who cares if it shows a boob… as long there are no penetrations, ejaculations i dont really consider it porn.

#15

Bicc39… HaHaHaHa… made my day that post :smiley:
Lemo

PS:Wasn’t your location NH???

#16

Moved, more exotic sites in NY.

#17

degenerate art…

http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/weekly/aa072599.htm
http://www.olinda.com/ArtAndIdeas/lectures/ArtWeDontLike/entarteteKunst.htm

Not that I knew anything about this before doing a google search mind you.

#18

lol…glad to help with the link… :slight_smile:

The thing with that site and the reason I found it was due to my desire at the time to post things that weren’t appropriate for this forum or RR. But you know how the need to post your work is, so I found that site. Posted a couple of goodies, but havent been there in ages. Did get alot of questions about zbrush then from the viewers though. Alot of Poser paper doll porn…made me yawn so I came back home to zbc like a good boy. anyhoo…

Person thoughts on the gore and violence (which I personally love to depict) on RR, I use the violence tags…and normally I don’t get toooooo carried away here, but have put a mention of the violence, blood, gore or whatever in my titles…not always but I do try to remember.

The other thing for me…violence and death are natural things…nudity is natural…and I see nudity daily…no big…(hey a fellow has to bathe :slight_smile: ) and violence and death are always everpresent…you see it on the sides of highways, roadkill, funerals…

Porn and erotica are choices I may or may not choose to view.

wink wink…

but stay out of my dvds…muhahahhaaaaa… Cannibal Holocaust rules!!! Dead Alive isnt too shabby either:cool:

Peace,
Ron
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#19

A lot of things are natural, but do you want to see them? An old man or a dog taking a dump is natural, but I don’t want to see that. I might laugh at it, but I still don’t want to see it.

Not to get off topic, but this also reminds me of some debate about a story I heard a long time ago about a group of women trying to get a law past that would let them breast feed their babies in public or at work. Their argument was that it was only natural and that they felt inconvenienced by having to go somewhere private to do that.
My answer to that is the same as above. I remember saying this to myself while staring at the television shaking my head. “Well madam, I have to take my morning constitution, would you mind if I squated in front of you? It’s only natural”.
Eating is natural, sleeping is natural, relations between a husband and wife are natural, but there’s a time and place for those things because we humans are not animals and we have ( or used to have ) a thing called “dignity”, “decency”, and dare I say “modesty”.

These kinds of debates goes on all the time. The art field is no different from any other field. Some like to redifine the debate based on their claims that it’s an “artform” or an “expression”.
The same principle applies no matter what the context or medium is. Just like the endowment for the arts will have artistic displays depicting a cross in a glass jar of urine and somehow it is taken as acceptable because it is classified as “art”. We all know the firestorm of debate that raised.

I guess we have these debates because we live in a day and age of an existentialist society. With each passing generation which has it’s own ideas, values, and beliefs which have a less and less shared commonality, the debate continures. Today’s inappropriate is tomorrow’s appropriate.
Just my 2 cents…
Thank you for your time.

Keep Z’n

#20

We see a lot of monster, creepy creatures, bloody things and so on on Zbrush central. My questions is very simple; between these pics and a nudity cg pic which one is most disturbing to the viewer?

Banning nudity is not a solution but if we put a tag for it, then let put a tag on the one containing blood, deformed faces…

Maybe we should just create a nudity spot on this forum;)
matt