Dman3d
good point indeed.
In many cases, as stated from prior posts in this thread, people are trying to train themselves via online videos (youtube, veoh, etc), and could potentially getting frustrated because they do want to do high quality work but just arent achieving it. I know my workflow in zbrush is all over the place and it can be frustrating. Sadly I havent posted anything yet because I feel that it is not up to par. I, myself, want to practice more before getting something on this forum just for my sanity.
I would also like to know for the people that are trained where they got their training from. I live in an area that currently doesnt offer any zbrush training via classroom.
Also, the critiques that are the most supportive are ones that give a method, a concept, an idea, and potentially take it a step further and actually give out a file or a zscript showing the workflow. That is the most helpful in my opinoin. Seeing others workflows help me the best because at least i can see where they are struggling at times and know its not just me thinking too much inside the box. I am all about optimizing my time and I always feel like im doing it wrong even though i am getting the same outcome. Some things I feel shouldnt take me as long.
Anyways back to the topic, listening to others is also a big way of getting noticed. There was an artist that I spoke with a number of times that was gracious enough to talk about a concept i needed to do. I hadnt posted anything but i had an idea. He didnt hold my hand through the process but he gave me some tips that in the end lead me on a “better” track…but I just didnt think it should of taken as long as it was. Either way, it was the simple matter of me needing to practice and experiment more. Learning the background of 3D art is a great start. I have a Degree in Maya but when it comes to Zbrush its a whole other ball game, at least on the surface.
Most of the posts I’ve made try to give some kind of insight of info or help but I am no expert and no where near an elite artist. Hell, I haven’t even posted anything yet!
A couple of things…
I am not saying that I want the ‘handful of good artists’ to comment on my work. My point is that becuase there is so much work being posted, good and bad, many threads just get missed. I have had threads with a good number of comments, and threads with next to none.
For me the benefit of having a WIP or Noob part of the forum is that people will actaully choose to have a look, and if they have, they are more likely to post.
The other thing I think is that this is a Zbrush forum, but a lot of people seem to think it is an Art forum. Now sure, there is some fantastic art, but a lot of people her are not all about form and composition of the image, they are creating a 3D asset that will only evern be rendered in an other package.
I love this site for finding inspiration, and for learning from tutorials etc, however, I honestly do not find it as useful as other sites for crit and advice (and that doesn 't have come from the hand full of good folks).
Anyway, bring on a WIP areas I say.
I’m not going to read all the posts on this thread, but what I will mention is this.
Not a lot of Zbrush artists that may be of quality or top row. Use the computer as much as “you / demand a critique” user does.
If you are already demanding crit’s for work that you have done. It tells me right now, that you are spending way… too much time on you’re computer, and are not spending time elsewhere.
I mean, sure it’s discouraging. But fact is, you are trying too hard at the point of where you are not taking time to breathe. Which is almost as sad as seeing some 30 year old act like a spoiled 12 year old. Which no one wants to be remembered or recognized as. Try freeing up you’re time, and do something where the computer, and you’re art are of low priority.
Get a girl, or if you’re a girl, get a guy! 
Seek out training and you’ll get better. Most comments won’t promote progress nearly as much as lessons. Find books and video training. Get them on ZBrush of course, but also on drawing, painting, and sculpting in traditional mediums. Also pay attention to how the contrast of hard surface and organic modeling can make the art more convincing.
You’ll be rockin the forum galleries before you know it. 
AVBN5000
I would also like to know for the people that are trained where they got their training from. I live in an area that currently doesnt offer any zbrush training via classroom.
My own most useful training was as a professional traditional artist for 30 years before ZBrush: portrait painter, draftsman & sculptor.
Learning these skills will boost your ZB skills no end.
If you live in an area that currently doesn’t offer any zbrush training via classroom, you can learn anything online for free about ZBrush
(as many here did, including myself), aside from being dedicated, by diving into the software and endlessly experimenting.
If you can’t see the faults in your own work then you’re never going to get it.
I’m fully aware of the faults in my stuff and I don’t need somebody pointing them out. Not everybody strives for perfection.
If you want people to comment on your work then do something that compels people to comment. After all, do you really want to be patronized by people with empty words?. When you have people automatically saying “Oh that’s nice” like programmed robots then the words will have no weight. That’s when we’ll get forum threads titled “Say it like you mean it!!”.
You get what you’re given in this world. You can’t ask for a ego stroking, you have to earn it.
That is a load of bs.
I don’t get you guys who argue people should learn on their own. Where would man be today if the ancient tribes had taken your advice?
“No son. I’m not going to teach you how to make these arrowheads that are critical for our survival. Learn on you own!”
one cannot learn just on one’s own - the thing is, one has to actually listen to what others say and not argue as soon as a shred of criticism appears in their thread…which unfortunately happens with a lot of newbies [I hate that word!]
New guys should not expect posts because their work is too bad.
Talented guys should not expect posts because they intimidate.Unless
the poster is looking for a job with the artists company and wish
to kiss a portion of the artist’s anatomy. In this case the talented
artist cannot trust the post.
Middle of the road should not expect posts because they are not
as good as older but better then new…Unless it looks like they
will be getting a job in the industry, then the talented rule applies,exception
is that the poster works for the same company and wishes to get the
artist fired.
Posts should be polite, so as not to insult, but not too polite because
it will be deemed to be demeaning
Posts should not be polite, to teach and be honest,except if the poster
is looking for a job, wishes to be liked and/or hired than the polite rule
applies.
Poster wishes people to post to his/her crap, so posts glowing to all
submissions.
Words such as kewl should be used unless the work is good, then
you cannot post unless it is the third Monday of the month.
All posts that end with the letter r will be deleted.
Just want to make sure I understand the rules
Hey I like the new ZBC layout! More bottom row thumbnails will equal more views for newly posted art, which may lead to more advice for newcomers. Just be sure and make the best thumbnail you can. That’s the trick. There is advice on this somewhere, maybe in the main forum or Q&T, don’t recall.
eat my underpants! :mad:
I think one can learn on their own. You can’t be told how to draw a horse. It’s all just practice… But I suppose it’s possible to be shown general techniques to help draw/sculpt/create things in general. Although this can’t be taught in a comment on a forum.
From being a child everything I’ve ever created I’ve been aware of the flaws and yet I just couldn’t be bothered to correct them. Or in many cases I couldn’t correct them because I’d drawn the item in ink! So it was actually irratating to have somebody point out the flaws. I just used to think “Yeah, I know!! Shutup already! I don’t care!”. This is why I don’t criticize other people’s work because I assume they’re also aware of their flaws. But if they aren’t then it’s hopeless for them.
Have I missed something. I don’t have a new layout. I only have thumbnails at the top that are the ‘top row’ threads. do I have to set something up to see thembnails of new stuff?
Id just like to say that im a newbie and my work isnt that great. I have never posted anything of mine on the site for fear of embarrasment. Seriously when you see some of the stuff here its unbelievable the level of detail the realism, and the form. I also see other newbies like myself posting stuff, i dont see the point really just look at some of the good stuff and read the comments and critiques about thoseand then try and get a better idea of what you need to do. I know its gonna be a good while until i make anything worth posting.
On a second note. yeah i probably would post something if there was a newbies section, but until then ill leave my efforts for my own criticising until i KNOW they are as good as i can do without any help.
Anybody know the weather in Detroit?
You have to sharpen up and do some homework. reference. nobody was born a good artist. reference. It comes from what you can visualize and produce. reference. skill comes with practice. do it once. then do it again faster. then do it again with no mistakes and faster still. now your employable. I sure as hell don’t have time to respond to everyones work. and thats because Im doing ARTWORK INSTEAD. I actually sat down and read this whole thread. and I was not planning on saying anything… enjoy your saturday fellow zbrushers! :idea:
Just remember that with ZBrush, hard work and persistent study truly does pay off. It’s not always like that with everything in life, so keep your eyes on the prize! It’s there, I promise!
You have to be in specific areas of the forums, such as the main or question and trouble shooting section, to see the two new bottom rows of thumbnails. They have also redone the main top section of the whole site. I dig it
You are not my son. I don’t owe you anything. You certainly havent paid me for my time, and Ive got other things to do. If your work happens to catch my attention, and if I think there is something specific I can offer you beyond “Study Anatomy”, or “Go practice drawing or modeling for years like everyone else remotely successful had to do before they started getting noticed”, then I’m generally happy to do so.
But even if I weren’t, that would sill be fine, because life isn’t fair, it doesnt revolve around you, and the cold hard truth is if your work were remarkable enough to attract attention (and therefore, feedback), you would be getting it. I’ve had to learn this, and work to get to a certain point where people at least bother telling me my work sucks 
…why doesnt someone else?
Nobody is arguing that people should, or will, always learn on their own. We are just more realistic about the level at which work starts to get attention, and what experienced artists owe to beginning artists. Knowledgeable feedback has value, should be appreciated when it is received, but not expected for free. The most talented artists on this site and elsewhere charge good money for their time and feedback, in training courses, and why shouldn’t they…they had to work really hard, and invest a lot of money in getting their own abilities to the point where their feedback had that kind of value.
We are also realistic about the purpose of this site, which at its core is a corporate site devoted to promoting and supporting a commercial product. The fact that people can also learn from other artists here is a happy secondary effect, but there are better places in life, and on the web to do that. There are (non product specific) forums out there dedicated expressly to giving artistic feedback to people, on an entirely volunteer basis. They are populated by people who hang out there soley for that purpose, whereas people on this site have myriad reasons for being here.
The fact that you would ban high profile artists from promoting their work here ( and teaching others by answering questions about how they did it), if they don’t live up to your imagined standards on how much or how high a quality of feedback they’re giving to every 15 year old who just picked up the software… shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the primary purpose of this website, not to mention a massively swollen sense of entitlement.
You can call me a dumbass again if you want, but I’m speaking as someone who dedicates a significant amount of time answering the questions of other users (mostly new users) about the software, and “how to do x” in both a technical and practical sense, every week, and have been for years. I’m generally happy to do it, but I don’t owe it to anyone. If your commitment to helping people in the community doesn’t at least match my own, you should probably quit running your mouth about what you think some artists “owe” other artists here.
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