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I think what splodge might be eluding to is that you cannot help someone percieve something or somehow give them instant awareness.
I most everyone can absorb the application of a tool. A brush and paint for example.
You can show and have understood that you dip the brush in paint, certian amounts of paint, or paint mixed with something and when you use it at differing pressures and angles you get varying results.
What you cant easily convey is that realization of the application or the steps before and after it that come with either and in born freaking gift or long practice and experience.
You can make endless tutorials but the conveyance will not be instant.
Everything takes time.
I have been doing art for a long time. I suck at it, but I love it. The one thing I have certainly learned that simply looking at other work will not make be better.
A new tool or software will not make me better. The only hope is to keep
practicing and attempting to understand what you are looking at more clearly.
You must “see through” the illusion you are attempting to make. To know that
if I use this tool them destroy some of it with this tool, then use this tool on
top of it I get stone or bone or whatever.
So, like before if you want a crit better be ready for it. If your first response
is to be offended and be like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/sagespot/566145002/ then no one can help. (yes I brought a lolcat kitten to the rant)
So yes bummer no one gave responses. Want some, ask again if you must and be ready. Be ready for the hit, be ready that you may not “see” it. Be ready for more practice. Be ready to be humble, be ready to get over yourself and get to work.
If not getting comments makes you think your wasting your time then you are, and you should quit.
I’m no pro but I got what skill i do have by burying my head in my desk. I posted just as you do, and received little to no feedback just as you claim.
Shouldn’t this motivate you to do better?
Nobody can say they haven’t heard the golden advice, “use reference”. And if by some miracle you have yet to hear it… there you go, I just said it!
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- Most students have periods of self doubt and frustration
- Most students need strong guidance during the first couple of years at art school.
- Most students require group discussion to comprehend their own reality better
- Most students are very enthusiastic and want produce
- Most students find that the skills necessary to fulfill their wish are missing
Being involved in art work is a varied experience but all artists have at some stage had to learn their craft. This requires a lot of effort and a lot of intercooperation between peers and educators.
In this new technological era many of these aspects are missing for beginners in a self didactic approach. Sitting behind your screen and wanting crits is to a large extent not very useful. besides that - it is not the duty of anyone to be supportive. If saomeone helps then its a gift unless of course you are paid to educate.
So - if you need help I strongly suggest that you get into a formal study environ and if you can not then get into a group of similarly experienced workers and grow as a team. Much can be learnt from your colleagues. Doing it by yourself is OK but a hell of a lot more difficult.
When I started there were no formal digital education opportunities and I like many of my peers grew with the industry. Thios is now totally different as most of the programs are in their 6th 7th or more generation and are well developed.
In conclusion: if you want crits then that is OK but do not expect that others have a duty to do this as it is a pure gesture of kindness if someone takles time to make a comment. Most of the people I know are really busy and just can not afford to spend time on such stuff.
In any discipline you have to pay your dues or forget it but do not whine and winge about it because that really is pathetic.
Good luck!!!
I don’t know, I think you can learn on your own if you have drive and an enquiring mind. To be honest this line of work is all VISUAL, which is skills we all have so it as a matter of unlocking them.
Being honest I never learnt anything from college/uni, I am totally self taught, you will also find many people who work professionally who don’t have qualifications.
On the issue of posting, if experienced people don’t reply to posts its probably because they are busy or, to raise the touchy subject of “look at the reference” - unfortunately it’s something which new artists often miss. If you are doing a likeness of say Brad Pitt and your end result doesn’t look much like him then I’m afraid I wouldn’t post a reply, it should be obvious it doesnt. However, if the likeness was nearly there, maybe I would post a reply as they are obviously on the right lines. The same goes for glaringly obvious anatomical flaws that should be picked up by the artist themselves.
In conclusion: if you want crits then that is OK but do not expect that others have a duty to do this as it is a pure gesture of kindness if someone takles time to make a comment. Most of the people I know are really busy and just can not afford to spend time on such stuff.
Thank you Mr. 77, could not have put it better
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Please sir can i please have some more comments please
Yeah… It sucks!.
Well said I think. Everyone should rely on their own motivation, that’s if they are really serious about cracking into the industry. If such a thing as lack of comments put you off now, you’re not going to survive when you’re working in the industry that’s for sure. No one’s gonna hand-hold u and just like all artists who have made it, you’ve gotta take massive action on your own and make things happen - that’s if you want it bad enough.
Ken
wow…
Eh I get very little comments here and on CGTalk when I post stuff. However for those that are defending the pros by saying they have industry jobs, they’re always busy, and they don’t have to comment on every thumbnail. That goes back to his original point that they have time to comment on each others posts and give feedback but not the less advanced? Not trying to complain myself, just making that point.
I agree on most aspects of the original argument though, that the pros do spend a lot of focus on their “peers” when it would be nice of them to give a tip here and there to us “lower class”.
I also tend to look at it this way: If nobody comments then that means they recognize that your model is coming along just fine, you seem to know what you’re doing, and their is nothing for them to say that you probably won’t figure out. I mean why comment on something that’s obvious with a little more study and research on your own right? So, it’s best just to think about it differently, chill out for awhile, maybe even ask your friends for a crit. Honestly I hate using the word peers, but ask your “peers” for crits.
Also, I just want to point out how funny it is that a thread started about how nobody comments on the guys work is getting bombarded by comments and critiques for how to start an asking for comments and critiques thread lol. At least you got some feedback now 
CJ
Maybe it’s like Extra Terrestrials.They won’t show themselves until humanity has a paradigm shift in consciousness and achieved a new level of awareness.
Struggling artist = Humanity
Extra Terrestrials = Zbrush Elite, you know they are out there, but you don’t hear from them or see them
paradigm shift in consciousness = The ability to learn the basics in Art, and ZBrush
new level of awareness = “I don’t need you help, but thank you so much If you decide to comment”
So imagine the newbie struggling artist that hears encouraging words, from the right person, and that inspires them to do do better than if they had learned trial and error all alone. They take that experience and return with it to ZBC and do the same for others. (I feel this happens already because there are so many helpful artists here at ZBC, professional or not!)
The worst is doubting yourself, not knowing if you are doing a task wrong, OR if it’s a bug in the software.
you don’t want to reach out for help just yet and waste ( insert name_Auricks _time lol) at the same time your using your best new age logic and whatever your trying just will not work, and you don’t have 2 weeks to hope someone will reply to your posted question. Then you find out the software is at fault.
apologies for the ramble, I have not yet had my Coco.
Disco Stu - 
good one!
I think everyone goes through this initially. It SHOULD be a motivator for you to keep pushing yourself until the pro’s DO comment on your work. Instead, we get whiny posts (imo) complaining about the professional’s not giving you a cookie every time you throw up a thumbnail. Just keep your mouth shut, keep plugging away and eventually you will earn the respect and time of those who did the same before you. There are a TON of pro’s who contribute to the online community and this thread is (imo) a smack to their face. Get over yourself and get to work already. If you’re passionate you’ll get somewhere in this business. Plain and simple.
Sadicus: Extra Terrestrials! lol Nice!
CJ
Thanks for saying this. And it’s very true but the pros are off working most of the time. But they do need to help out from time to time. Putting out a Video is a great way to help and get paid for it.
Where is MADDAM’s GNOMON VIDEO? http://www.maddamart.com/Home_Frameset.htm
And I’ll start helping out more also. -peace
Unfortunately this is not necessarily true. When you really know what you’re doing, you’ll usually get some comments.
That doesn’t mean take it so damn serious, though! Even if you’re wanting to do a professional job, the real goal is to have fun and experiment! 
However, the fact is everyone has to improve on their own and find ways to study. Seek out training and tutorials rather than depending on freakin’ forum posts. C’mon, that’s not the solution.
This thread is just misperception combined with a little frustration, that’s all.