I’d like to third or forth the WIP forum idea. It’s a great suggestion, that I hope the moderators take seriously. Education is something I always found to be pretty strong within the zbrush community, but perhaps the WIP forum idea would expand the encouragement and critique aspect of that mission.
i kind of like the current setup, with the two rows of thumbnails in one main room… but i can see your points for a separate wip room
@meanboythecat: keep your chin up man, and make sure through hard work and good attitude that you don’t get swallowed by the sea
take care
I HAVE AN IDEA!!! Zbrushcentral should have a rating system that rates how well people give critique to others. If your rating is too low, you can’t post your own stuff. So everyone who wants to show their own work is forced to contribute.
wow… Entertaining thread !! lol
looks like Meannoy got more attention from starting this thread rather then his sketchbook thread. ha ha
u could have tried learning and improving ur skills instead of wasting ur time on such stupid discussions.
plus the thing that makes me laugh is ur joining date… its say “2005”
how come u be a newbie 
BTW i will be keepign an eye on this thread, loved prople views on this discussion
TOP ROW FOR SURE 
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“Yeah, sorry Rick Baker, I know you’re all busy and stuff being a Hollywood Makeup and effects industry icon, but you’re not allowed to post any more top notch work here helping Pixologic show off the power of its software and educating the community by answering questions about how you did it…because some 15 year old is angry you didn’t spoonfeed him years worth of experience for free on his Hellboy model…”
Here’s another idea. Why don’t we get over ourselves a little bit,worry less about what other people do, and concentrate on our own work.
First of all, think about this:
There are tens of thousands of posts, and a handful of good artists. How can they possibly comment on every piece of work posted. It would be a full time job.
Secondly, as an artist when I see great art that is better than mine I don’t get depressed, I get motivated and analyze what they’ve done and improve my own work.
So please stop whining and step it up on your own. I’ve spent well over twenty years of my life honing my art skills before zbrush existed. Its just another tool in my art arsenal - it doesn’t make me a good artist - it allows me to express myself as an artist.
One more thing: You are not a newbie - according to your profile, you have been using the program since 2005.
“Here’s another idea. Why don’t we get over ourselves a little bit,worry less about what other people do, and concentrate on our own work.”
How dare you try to use logic and reason in an internet discussion …
Seriously though, I think that’s the best thing I’ve read so far. Thread won. Can we close it now?
There have been many times someone has posted, I missed it and only dicovered their amazing work months after the fact, noob and Pro alike.
Sometimes a post gets overlooked. Here is my sad story example 
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=75363
Although I can’t rule out that perhaps it is not wothy of comment. :rolleyes:
I agree with you, Ive been an artist for 40 years and just now getting into the 3d design and get frustrated trying to learn everything so i can reach the level im trying to get to, I became pro artist i am now just by alot of hard work and advice from other pros and my Father who was an Artist,No i feel like ive started all over again like i did on my very first drawing but its 3d and so pumped up by what we can create with it and where it can take us, So yes everyone had to start at the bottom at some point and now they are on the top of the hill looking down at others,Thanks
Your dumbass comment proves you don’t understand the issue. You are totally distorting my idea with your little anecdote. I didn’t suggest posting would be totally denied. You’d think posting some c&c for beginners wouldn’t be that big of a deal for masters like Baker, but I geass its too much for their huge egos.
“ME??!! COMMENTING SOME NOOB’S ****TY WORK??!!! HAHAHAHAH!!! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!”
I agree.
Hardly,
No offence to anyone intended but it looks to me as though the people on here getting zero replies need to pay their dues in art school 1st.
It usualy looks like these people can’t draw and have little to no clue about design and concept and are just trying to use something like Z-Brush to make hobby art.
Which is fine, but it’s laughable that you demand pros to go over your work with you.
Why should they give up their time to help someone who hasnt even put in time themselves?
People work hard and pay thousands to learn in art schools from masters…and you expect it all for free on here/…
Honestly you are lucky to have a place like this to learn from and expand your ideas…and if you get the chance to speak with a professional about your work consider yourself lucky.
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Errr didn’t the ZB gods just extend the bottom rowor am I going mad? 
I can definitely agree with that… art is too subjective to call anyone the best or any image the best ever… it’s nonsense.
I try to comment on stuff from beginners as well as professional artists, whether I do usually depends on the subject matter - there are amazing [quality wise] sculpts that I don’t care about in the least, cause the subject just doesn’t inspire me at all. So yeah if some beginner is doing something exciting to me, I’ll comment just as well as if he/she was a pro. Anyway there are a lot of hobbyists who can be just as good at this as some pros…
thing is… very often newbies constantly argue that the mistakes are not mistakes but ‘what they wanted to show’ or simply don’t try to work hard enough to improve… it happens… if you post constantly, without caring about comments, and your work improves then comments will come. We all started somewhere - those who are pros are usually those who persevered despite the lack of comments and worked on their stuff every day. simple.
Dumbass indeed.
Nobody owes you anything. Worry about your own work, and be grateful for any feedback you get.
Tuff Crowd.
BTW, did you actually post anything for comments?
maybe I missed it.
That’s pretty much my story ^^
Most people wont answer for a few reasons but one is certainly attitude.
If you look at some noob post they get incredibly pissed off or just blow off any comments even though they asked for them.
If you ask for a crit be prepared. If you dont want a crit dont ask for it and just post your stuff to share.
The other thing is, it just might suck that bad. That is something that is hard for artists to deal with.
These guys are good, I dont expect them to drop what they are doing to pat me on the back or give me advice. If they do great I appreciate it, no ones owes me anythings and me or no one else is entitled to ****.
All you can do is keep working and expanding your perception, yes perception and skill. Once you can see through things you can understand and make them.
-d