@ SBMONGOOSEI agree with you. I could understand if Pixologic had told me I would have to pay for the next update. But being acquired by Maxon is an entirely different matter. In the future, there will be no Pixologic and Zbrush as we know them.All will proceed as determined in Maxon’s business interests. They’ve already acquired several pieces of software, discontinued perpetual licenses from Redgiant and Forger, and started monthly subscriptions. This is the future that awaits us. We can’t do anything but hope that Maxon will only show mercy to old Zbrush users. Or just start learning Blender! 
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I don’t think anybody here has anything but respect for the pixologic staff. Our problems lie with the company that bought them and who will make the decisions from now on.
Many of us would have been more than okay with paying for upgrades if pixologic came out and asked for more money after 2 decades of goodwill to the user base.
Now if Maxon is gonna ask for more money that is just gonna leave a bad taste in everybody’s mouth given how profit driven maxon is and how little they care about the products they sell.
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I don’t think anyone is complaining, and especially about Pixologic or ZBrush. We are just “worried” about the outcome that is to follow. You will notice that most posts are against Maxon and their pricing policy. We all love Pixologic and ZBrush and appreciate everything that they have done for us over the years.
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@VISEone
I don’t think anyone is begrudging the Pixologic team the right to make a living and reap the rewards from their unique and powerful product. I’ve even playfully suggested to them that they need to create some model where they can get a little funding from those of us who have benefited so long from their generous free update policy.
The concern you are hearing is based on two considerations: 1) Maxon’s current pricing policies and their approach to monetizing perpetual license customers and 2) The roadmap now being in control of an entity which may not be as laser focused on artist requirements as Pixologic has demonstrated over the past two decades.
For those of us who work creatively Zbrush every day these are matters of practical concern. With the announcement so short on specifics, it leaves a lot open to speculation. The concern we’re hearing from the community is born out of love and appreciation for Pixologic, not of disrespect.
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I also agree with everything replied above.
I just trust and cross my fingers that they (pixologic) know what they are doing.
And all concerns regarding a creedy software brand might be right because of Maxon is Maxon - but at this point noone really knows what will be…
let’s hope the best.
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It would be useful to refer to Maxon’s current pricing policy. This will help us predict the future of Zbrush. - CGISoftware_MSRP_MM211019 (mediamachine.nl)
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The worst Christmas ever… 
Somewhere deep inside I still do have a hope, that the pricing won’t be that hardcore for the hobbyists.
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@toyxyz
Thanks for the price list table. The US price lists were similar in proportion but lifted in amounts for dollars. (The US perpetual license for C4D is $3495.)
It’s worth noting is to version upgrade a perpetual license of C4D from R23 or later to R25 is 29% of a new perpetual license, which is greater than a year of just subscribing. If you fall off their perpetual license treadmill, they really sock it to you with a whopping 62% of a new perpetual license to get back on.
An annual subscription runs about 21% of a perpetual license, so five years of subscribing is more or less the equivalent of one, un-upgraded version of the perpetual license. Assuming you get 1 yr. of free updates with your perpetual license, you’d need to another 80% (or more) in maintenance costs to keep your perpetual license up to date over five years.
For five years of C4D use, this means you’re at somewhere north of 180% of the perpetual license cost for the privilege of a perpetual license and 100 to 105% of the perpetual license cost to just subscribe. (Admittedly you’re vulnerable to price increases by subscribing, but I am assuming they will similarly raise the maintenance prices.)
Unless you use C4D all the time, they are driving you to a subscription. If you start adding Redshift and Red Giant into the mix, the Maxon One subscription looks to be a better 5-year deal. My fear is with the conspicuous lack of details in the Pixologic acquisition, they’re thinking similar.
Of course, this is pure speculation on my part, but having done business with Maxon for more than a decade and lived through their monetization shifts from reasonably priced upgrades to Maxon Service Agreement (now discontinued) to subscribe-or-pay-through-the-nose regardless of how little development for the year (the current model), I am not hopeful. I think this acquisition will be very good for people in the Maxon universe where C4D is their main platform, but sadly for artists, hobbyists, or anyone where C4D is not their main platform, it’s likely to be a loss in terms of costs.
Since Pixologic doesn’t discuss roadmap (nor do I expect them to start now) only future will be able to say if there is more or less investment in functionality over the next five years. My bet is that functionality will continue to improve for at least while, but tilt into the Maxon universe. Maxon would be crazy to blow this chance to get into more developers & studios where Zbrush is already a sculpting mainstay.
I sincerely hope Maxon will prove me wrong, and this will mark a new phase of artist-friendly pricing, support, and development.
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MY Question is: How sad is it everyone HATES Autodesk, when they give you FREE Licenses for learning in School, AND INDIE License Pricing of $280 a YEAR. where as Maxon is either "Pay us $3500 for Perpetual, and apparently (or so im told) $999 a year FOR UPDATES “Which ive heard are almost non existent” or $95 a MONTH for a Sub. knowing more people use Zbrush than C4D, what do we all really think Maxon has in store for us? SANE Prices for Upgrades or Subs? LOL yeah, that’ll be the day. i would have rather paid Pixologic $900 a YEAR for them to keep it in their camp, than give Maxon $20 a month. that’s how much i hate Maxon for what they’ve already shown us they’re capable of.
Also here is an Article calling us all Out for “Loving Zbrush so much, but DEMANDING it have free updates”
i guess they haven’t read any of our posts on ZBC, Youtube, Twitter or anywhere else BEGGING Zbrush to cancel the merger and just charge us for updates.
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@Gremlin I also read that article and got really pissed. as you say, I do not think they have read a word of what has been written. I would happily pay pixologic for updates as far as I could handle. might not be able to afford to update and pay every year as I have this as a hobby. But writing that we demand free updates is just laughable. but I’m a little worried like many others that they will change to a monthly cost only. and if you look at what maxon has for prices now on c4d as an example, it is above my budget for this hobby. nerd that i am i write this with a pixologic zbrush t-shirt on me. 
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I would think that hobbyists would make up a good percentage of ZBrush users, but, in my estimation, once Maxon gets their hands on it, that percentage will drop drastically because most hobbyists won’t be able to afford Maxons exorbitant prices. I for one will not pay a single penny for using software on a subscription basis. I am just a hobbyists and even though I enjoy using ZBrush immensely, it’s not something that I cannot live without. I will just have to either settle for other sculpting software like Blender or just find a different hobby. I, like everybody else here, am greatly concerned for the outcome of this acquisition. I am hoping for the best, but honestly, expect that this will not end well for the hobbyist. I don’t think that Maxon has the artist in mind, only profit.
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ZBER2
It’s not just hobbyists who can’t afford to pay for a monthly subscription. Small developers with few assets, freelancers who use several monthly paid programs besides Zbrush, etc. A monthly payment is a huge burden for them. Even if the function of the old version is sufficient and the update is not required, if the number of users of Windows 11 increases in the future, there is also a possibility that the old version of Zbrush will not work properly at some time. No one knows if Maxon will have mercy on us then. As you can see in the Maxon pricing I uploaded above, they charge a higher price to upgrade the old version than to upgrade directly from the previous version.
Cinema 4D R25 m2520 € 2,900.00
Cinema 4D R25 - Upgrade from Cinema 4D R23 m2521 € 850.00
Cinema 4D R25 - Upgrade from Cinema 4D Rxx m2522 € 1,800.00
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I Just wish this would be over with, either Maxon is going to buy them out, they don’t get bought out, or Pixologic listens to the fans and backs out (Best outcome) i just want to know the length of Rope im about to be Hung with, and figure out the best Solution for this going forward. because i promise you, i am NOT sticking with just Blender. i bought a LIFE TIME LICENSE. and i will find a way for it to STAY a lifetime license, even if it means going to places on the internet i rather not go, and do things i rather not do. its out of MY hands at this point. but i will NOT give up on my lifes work because i cannot afford the upkeep/subs, all because Pixologic got Greedy at the end of 2021 for god knows what reason. im a fighter, ive been though a lot of crap in my life, and Maxon isn’t going to ruin my livelihood with their Greed. PERIOD.
but as i said, i just wish we knew were we stood already, cause the waiting is just as bad as the “WE’RE THRILLED TO ANNOUNCE WE’RE BEING TAKEN OVER BY A SOULESS CORPORATION!” Post.
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If there is one downside to this acquisition/merger, I feel like Pixologic is great at offering users what they don’t know what they want. I am afraid to see part of this fade away. I feel like maxon wants to make tools more production friendly but not necessarily creatively oriented.
I would’ve liked to have a seen pixologic bridge the current gap that exists between GAN and 3d models. And this would’ve lead to a reasonably successful business model as they would be selling GPU processing time combined with a custom 3d GAN solution. I love working with GAN tools to discover a concept but at the same time it is hard to find the 3d object in a 2D mess. If anyone was going to pull it off, it would be pixologic. Not to say that it can’t happen, just that the idea feels unproven and therefore is a risky business venture.
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Very slightly off topic, but wishing everyone here a very happy new year.
Please Pixologic, don’t make your users feel 2022 is as bad a year as 2020 and 2021, even if it’s for a very different reason! We’ve all had enough bad times over the last couple of years. Please don’t break our hearts with this next one!
But thank you Pixologic, you’ve been a shining beacon of goodness and fun in what has been a difficult couple of years. Your livestreams with @PixoPaul and @Piggyson were both entertaining and a great resource to help learn ZBrush better, when there wasn’t much else to do during long lockdown evenings. So if nothing else, thank you for the past 13 plus years (for me, more for some, less for others).
Happy New Year!!!
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Is this over yet? When can we expect an official statement?
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A lot of weird things is happening right now:
I’ve just found that Zbrush is listed in a new Maxon’s EULA as software that will be available through perpetual licensing.
But what is weird it is that Zbrush is listed together with redshift, which (correct me if I am wrong) have been sold subscription-only since Maxon took it.
From what I understand we can say goodbye to free updates: but again: I could be wrong.
Still: I’m ok with paying for the updates, unless it won’t ruin me. I’m not a company making money on using ZBrush.
Link to EULA:
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Are you talking about Redgiant? Redgiant has stopped selling perpetual licenses and is only available as a monthly subscription. And it is possible for perpetual license holders to use their older versions. Of course, if you want to use the new version, you have to pay for a monthly subscription. This is most likely the future of Zbrush. Link
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Feels off that nothing has been announced here, even though it says since the 29th. Not the level of communication we’d have hoped for.
Oh, and another change, although the MyLicenses page still lists Pixologic ID, this is changing to ZBrush ID
https://support.pixologic.com/section/25-zbrush-id-formerly-pixologic-id
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