Glad you received the HR image Ron, those prices do sound a bit high, let me know how you get on.
I’ve been playing around with, some compositions of blair and bush, just quick roughs to use as a refarence. But as i brought them together, to me there isn’t much of a difference between the two. So I son’t know if the idea would work. What do you think
A BlairBush? Now that is a frightening thought!
TD
Blair and Bush
lol…faint 
Ron
Hi Trapdoor, yes Blair Bush is a disturbing thought. Whats more disturbing is the amount of people who still support them. But I guesse we have to respect everyones opinion.
But I think, i’m gonna go with the idea, as it is a disturbing concept as well a controversial.
Pixol-Dust, Hi thanks I got the link don’t know what happened to your post though. I have seen that before LoL, there are some great bits on the two out here on the web. I think my best is video cut of them singing a love song to each other.
Ron: Back on page 7, you mentioned about a story of a snake eating a man and being shot by police. Well I just found this story, don’t know if its the same you are refering to
Lemonnado: got you PM, will contact you again very shortly. Thanks
Ok time to get back to work.
Ok It’s been a couple of weeks since my last post. Bit of a creative block and had to sketch out some crap to clear the cobwebs. Some personal stress didn’t help.
Anyway, I’ve put the Bush blair idea to the side, for a seperate project. I decided it didn’t fit with the rest of the characters I have in mind. But last night I feel I finaly started to crack through the block. and came up with this little beasty for Avarice. I have a grousome setting in mind for him. and tonight I plan on deataling him up with proper texture. then its on to his arms and body.
Let me know what you think.
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Just thought I would let you know that the reason why so many people support Blair and Bush is because how could you support idiots like Kerry, Clinton, Perosi and all the wet lame democrats,
Someone has got to do the job and I would prefer Blair and Bush than to letting the fanatic Islamofascists, the socialists, the liberals (US) or any idiologist based group run the show.
If you can do better then I would support you all the way. Seems to me that Bush bashing is a very easy escape from facing up to the reality of the modern world. Just a thought for all those arm chair politicians to get ticked off over - hehe.
PS I am not a US citizen and I am real glad the US has got Bush because in Europe we have a bunch of socialists destroying what once was a great future for Europe.
Europe has many people who likewise do not want to do anything until its too late. Just look at the mess they had with Serbia. It was America that freed the hundreds of thousands of opressed people because the socialists in Europe could not agree on anything and did not have the guts to do something about the genocide.
At least the Bush lot get rolling and take action - most of which has been quite successful but that is another debate. I write this in the hope that the balance of opinion is actually maintained in this otherwise non political forum.
If you do not agree with me that is fine but stay civil please and remember that over 43% of all Americans of voting age agree with me that the Republicans are the correct way of doing things.
So lets not start being too smug by putting down all these people!
I don’t think this is a political board. 
Why ruin it
It would be great if people did not start with politically motivated stuff in this board but I feel it is absolutely necessary to reply to stuff that is blatantly a comment on politics.
If we all agree that this board should be free of such stuff I would be the first to agree but I did not start this stuff and that is why I replied.
I feel that cheap shots at Bush or any politician for that matter are stupid and if people persist to do it I will persist to reply.
Political charicature is a well established art form and it needs to be stated that it is a politically based art form.
If we start to censor such art then we are running into a big problem which means that since it is a free speach environ one can not stop people from posting but that means that a discussion or at least a contrary opinion must also be allowed - that is the nature of a free speach democracy which I support.
Well here he is, in his glory still need to design the set for him which will be coming next, also the secondary figure quite a bit stuff to be added on to him.
It’s becoming a bit gory I know, But I feel Avrice would be the meanest of the bunch, and stuffing his victims with their riches.
I feel he gets his message over when it comes to greed.
I feel the blood should be darker, and I want to get a bit more gloss to his skin and the money needs a more modeling.
Let me know your comments everyone
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Dude, thats sick. I love it. 
I think you’re right on with the color of the blood. It looks perfect, especially on his right hand. I think the splattering effect might need a little work on the money & his clothing though. The texturing of the skin is awesome. Is got a nice rotting feel to it.
I don’t agree with you. People should be free to do with their art whatever they want, no matter what their source of inspiration is. If you want to have a political discussion, you can do it on other forums. I’m sure the internet offers a suitable place for you to post you political ideas.
If you would just really read what I said!
It just amazes me that many people here are incapable of reading what is actually said.
I am not saying anything against the art but the comments that some people just seem to have to make which are cheep shots at Bush for example.
I did not make those comments - I said that these comments are uncalled for and do not belong here in my opinion.
But if people persist to make comments that are polictical and so begin a negative inclination then people like me will respond and request that they stop it or at least that I will give my opinion and that is my right in a free speech environ.
I do not want politics in this board either but then why are you attacking me when I was not the instigator. Maybe you need to check your facts before you jump on something next time.
Thankyou very much!
Please stay on the thread’s original topic, and not side track into debates. If you want to argue, take it into private messages or off ZBC entirely. I really don’t want to have to close this thread for becoming heated.
Thanks. 
Thank you Aurick,
I was hoping buy ignoring the political comments it would fizzle out. I now know to be carefull before i stike a match!!
XxDarkMessiahxX : Thanks, I agree the blood splatter needs work on the clothing and money. The blood works really well on the hands I agree, it’s just that in places especially the drip runs, it reflects the light to much. But if I bring that down in the settings it looses the impact around the hands. I’ll get there though.
Why Would Anyone Or Anything Want To Do That To Money.?! great work!..
You dream, therefore you create? Must be some freaky dreams you have! But nice art! However, I think the money looks too much like oversized matchboxes. The bills don’t seem to be long enough compared to the width. Appart from that, only one other comment remains: if you’re not going to give the poor victim any pants, I suggest you do something about his crotch. Since this is a gruesome image, you might consider giving him a wound where his tabernacle was cut off. The way it is now, he looks too much like a window dummy…
This pic is starting to look yum…
Yeah, I agree about the money. Just hold a dollar up to your hand. Get the bill texture to fit a resized plane, turn the texture off, clone the plane…and make several variations of some crinkled and wadded up dollars, and after that, turn the bill texture back on and it should do perfect on the wadded bills. I did that for a flag and a newspaper model a few times…(you probably know all this already. )
Fresh blood lighter, massive wads of blood in pools clots up and congeals into a raw liver consistency pretty quickly…so much you can pick it up… (lol…don’t ask me how I know this, but I do from first hand experiences) And it becomes dark pretty quickly as it dries…and gets a little bit brownish if I remember right. droolies
Something seems off to me on His left arm…dunno if it’s the angle or the bicep…or my eyes…
Love the bloody hands…maybe that faded look where the blood thins out onto the fresh unscathed areas of the skin on the victim and on Avarice.
The victim’s palor of skin would be changing color at this point as well I think…that “o crap I am turning into a cadaver in a few seconds” skin tone…
Avarice’s lips a bit wet, drool and maybe a taste of blood from lickin’ his fingers?
The victim’s neck would be more strained with the muscles popping from raising his head at that position, the torture, and the pain…arms and legs the same?
And far as his penile nether regions he either needs it lopped off in a bloody mess or a some Saw III torture device on it (or would that be vanity…hmmm) but he definitely needs something down there…imho…
Maybe an intestine or two peeking thru the bills in his gut…and definition around the skin/stomach wound…(you know I love the detailed gore…)
Well it is looking great…and I hope some of this might help you…and ya know I am looking forward to more updates…
thnx for sharing.
Ron
Time to go eat supper…laterz
Thanks Aurick for not letting the topic get hijacked into a political debate.
To me Avrice appears to posed…the money looks like its just balanced in his left (in the medical field you always reference a person/patient from their point of view) hand and not being gripped. The right hand appears to just be posed - almost a mirror of the left (no tension…no implied motion or strength). The wads of money also appear to be too perfect. Why not have some of it falling out of the stacks - what one would expect to happen if one used force to inject the money into the victim’s abdomen.
If Avrice is stuffing the money into the victim…have him doing just that…a little motion blur of the left hand stuffing in a wad of money…the right hand pulling back on the flesh…money flying and dropping around incision…and have the victim laying on something…say a safe…partially opened…with money falling out on the floor…motion blurred arms and legs writhing in pain…head thrown back in terror and agony.
All in all a great job that is coming along nicely…just needs some enhancement.
Thanks peeps for your feedback, this is great. A lot of the points that you all have mentioned, I had already got there on where I need to change area’s and improve sections, I.e remodel the money to make it look more convincing, What I stuck in there, is really demonstrative purposes at the moment.
The victims body is either to be suspended with flesh hooks and chains, or a weird part organic and metal torture rack with spikes piercing through his limbs (this is my main goal, all depends if I can models something that looks convincing and real, otherwise I’ll copout and go for the suspension idea). The groin area, well my first idea was to go for a severed member and if the torture rack doesn’t work then I’ll go with it otherwise I have tubes and stuff plugged in. I should mention here that the victim is just a poser figure that’s been worked on and textured in ZB.(I’m not that good for modelling anatomy)
Rhenderoceros: As mentioned above on the money, your right it does look like matchboxes, I will correct that.
Ron: thanks for all you info and suggestions, on the blood.
Fresh blood lighter, massive wads of blood in pools clots up and congeals into a raw liver consistency pretty quickly…so much you can pick it up… (lol…don’t ask me how I know this, but I do from first hand experiences) And it becomes dark pretty quickly as it dries…and gets a little bit brownish if I remember right. droolies
This is exactly what I’m trying to achieve with the material, and as I right this I think I have just brainstormed why its not working, because I have a feeling I turned the multiply setting off right at the beginning so the painted colour is not showing through, where I have painted it light to dark as it dries. gone have to check that when I’m done here.
The victims skin tone: Well again this depends on how I ended up setting him, if he’s suspended I will take him down to a corpse colour, but if I have him in the rack then I intend to have him being kept alive, hence the idea of tubes eventually coming out.
oR_Creeper: Hi welcome to the thread and thanks for your feedback.
I can see what you mean to a degree about the hands looking to posed, though they are posed differently, maybe I need a load of money like that to hold in my own hand, so I can see the grip and experience the feel:D;)
anyone up for donating large amounts of money to me for artistic research No oh well I’ll have to do an image search.
I like the idea of motion blur, and will give the idea a try. whilst coming up with this idea I imagined what he would be like animated. and I did think of him being this speedy manic surgeon bring stuff in and out at a supernatural rate. but I didn’t think about bringing motion blur into the static image.and money flying around would also emphasize, that. Oh you’ve got my head spinning off now with al manner of tangent ideas. Nice one
In fact I went for the opposite of having him with arms stretched in a kind of “voila`, look at my masterpiece” proudness.
Ok I’m going back now to continue to build a torture rack ( or try) look at the blood material, and rethink the limb posing of avarice.
Back soon thanks again everyone