yes my friend, you hit exactly the point, bravo
I dont care about release date(i dont even want to know about a release date), what i want to know is, how are things going with ZB 2.5? alittle heads up wont hurt, and would probably ease the pain of being keep in the dark for so long. A progress report if you well. Luxology has been doing this with Modo 201 and other developers, and its working(its easing the pain of waiting).
I agree 100%
Everybody should realize just how good we have had it. We have been given tons of free updates and a tool that becomes more feature packed with every release. When someone gives you such a thoughtful gift you should say thank you… and be thankful… 
Everybody should realize just how good we have had it. We have been given tons of free updates and a tool that becomes more feature packed with every release. When someone gives you such a thoughtful gift you should say thank you… and be thankful… agree 100%!!!
Plus…
Usually abstain from threads like this because generally speaking they
sink lower and lower into ramblings, mutterings, things that have nothing
to do with the topic and assorted other things. Have observed recently that
the biggest bitchin and moanin comes from people who don’t even own the
program to begin with.
There are many ( I am one, and I would to think I am in the majority)
of people who have not yet mastered the intricacies of version 2.
When I am tempted to look for the future version, I look at what
I already have.
We, the present owners, are in possession of a powerfull and fun piece
of software. It, and indeed this forum, did not appear overnight.
It came about because those involved spent the time and effort required
to produce something of value.
Ranting and speculating here accomplishes nothing.
Considering that the update will cost nothing, if I were in charge
I would be tempted to go slower for spite.
If I were them I would close this thread with the final message.
We are working will advise when ready
( see what I mean about ramblings, that do nothing?)
I haven’t posted for awhile, and have been fighting the urge to.
I have recently become a modo owner and have to say the way Lux is handling the delay of the release is very impressive. The weekly status updates, feature videos, and pics are great. I think basically ppl stop asking when? when they are shown and told where things are at. The vids are certainly keeping the momentum of the release, and im sure have helped sell more 201 pre-orders an upgrades.
Newtek, the Lightwave ppl are also delayed with there release of v9.0, and they have started a public beta program for owners of the current version of the software. I’m certainly not suggesting Pixo start a public beta program but a statement like, late 2nd quarter, or atleast 3 more months. Or just where things are at, minus any talk of realease time would be nice. Some new vids? I think would certianly build the excitement backup, I can’t recall the last post Pixolator made.
As a mac user at home im still waiting on Zmapper for osx, and a zapplink that does not crash ZB when picking up the canvas.
Like everyone else I’m eagarly awaiting 2.5, not just cuz it will be shinny and new, but for functionality i need and will use.
That would be me. I do not own Zbrush yet. As for moanin and (the other term) I have done it rather light hardly. I realize that most of you will be getting the update for free. This will be my first big buy into this hobby of mine. It is my money that will be going into the future of Zbrush. You already owners might not be putting cash into Pixolator’s pocket until 3.0.
I would really like to know what’s up? That is all. If I had a time frame I could judge if I should buy something else then add Zbrush later when it is out, or if the update is right around the corner and I should just wait a little and see what’s in it.
I am the new cash. You would think they would throw a few sales pitches at me!
Plus I feel the crap I am using now is holding me back a little. I am not saying I could not learn more and get better with it, anyone who has seen my stuff here and at renderosity can tell you I have a long way to go until I am as good as most of you. New stuff for me means a new burst of energy and I do not like to let my money go to waist so I would dedicate my time to the next software I buy, especially if it is over $500.00. The wait is not hurting me, this is just a hobby, but it is not helping me either!
I am tried of waiting! A buy button is close to being pushed. It is not for one of the programs on my list waiting for updates. If no news is giving between now and the time it takes for two software companies to answer my last question the fine makers of Zbrush are going to have to wait for my cash and maybe others like me.
I am just one guy with some money. I know Zbrush will be here when I am ready for it. I think this will be my last post on this matter, and my last post here until I am an owner, so I say this…
Pixologic your best salesmen & saleswomen are your users here at this forum. They not only deserve the free update but some news as well!
Indeed this is all true … and yes I am thankfull 
. Pixologic has been very good to its userbase (us) and will most likely continue to be; However, no matter how u slice it … they have “almost” completely stopped talking to us.
Do i think people should be “Up in Arms” about it … nope. But …
… seeing the days of constant communication fade away is a sad thing … It will prolly eventually happen with modo also (but when it does … it will also be sad).
I surely hope not, thats one of the reasonly i recent bought Modo. Anyway, the fanatic fanboyism in this thread by a few is just distestful, anyone who wants a update(heads up) is either moaning and bitchin or a troll? give me a break! Thats one of the reason i dislike this forum and many others like it; extreme fanboyism. No one is taking for granted the things you get for free(Zmapper,etc), but thats not the point of this thread(so save your fanboyism for another theard). Its about the roadmap to 2.5 and this roadmap needs a update badly(something, not neccesary a release date, since its pointless).
Well, i suggest you get off that high horse of yours, and consider what this thread is about, it isnt about praising version 2.0, and i dont see anyone bitchin or moaning, aside from you(ironic isnt it?). From a potential customer as myself, i really look at the forum policy,featurelist, communication…are all important things to consider before buying a app. As of late, the latter has been zero to non. Without new users, ZB cant grow…so if i were you i wont bitch about potential users wanting a “heads up” the development of 2.5. 2.0 is OK, but not mature enough for my needs, 2.5 is mature enough to the point where im considering buying it.
Being a fanboy and praising is not going to evolve any 3DCG program either, just thought i mention the other side of the coin ;)…
Sonk brings up some good points. Lets 1st cover the great stuff …
-
ZB … a great app. I can see why ppl don’t want anything “bad” said about anything that goes on here. ZB has provided me with many hours of hobby enjoyment and I know it has tremedously improved the quality and workflow for the professional CG community.
-
The ZB community … outstanding, so many people contribute great things from scripts to tutorials to challenges to etc etc etc. The community encourages one another and we all get better and have a good time.
-
App improvements … X.y releases come and are given to us to use. It’s always great whe software companies do this. It shows that the company is not taking every opportunity to get money from its user base.
-
The company and forum moderation … Pixologic continues to set high standards in software developement and quality. The forums are very well moderated.
Now the “bad” …
- Communication and company/developer involvement with the community … this used to be outstanding
… but … its no longer so and hasnt been for some considerable time now :(.
My personal hope is that pixologic is watching this thread and can take some constructive critisism. It will only help to keep ZB and these forums up to the highest standard. Are things still good … yes … if things were to be graded …
The way things used to be … A+
The way things are now … B+
is a B+ good? … u bet. Should it still be an A+ ? … Damn Skippy
I agree with cy here Antimorph.
If Zbrush were a so…so program, we wouldn’t be so eager, we’d say “Oh great another update and six months before they fix the bugs.”
We know the standards of this company, and know what fancy things are in store for us! We don’t mind waiting for their excellent updates, but it would help us contain our enthusiasm if we had a rough estimate, something like “Look guys we can’t be sure, but so far we are looking at late spring early summer” Then when late spring early summer comes and it not quite ready something like “We much closer, say mid September” and so on. I personally think it would make it easier for us to cope and maybe take some pressure off the talented and generous Ofer Alon and co.!
Ha! Clicked in through my email and didn’t realize there was an entire newer page of comments! Sorry for being out of date!
From a potential customer as myself…
I will quit right here!
Edit: on second thought…
Fanboy? Most definitely!!!
Fanboy comes from having the courage and convictions
to purchase a program and then finding out you were
100% correct with what you did.
Fanboy comes from years of watching people come to the
company for help and support with the problems that arise,
and seeing those problems resolved.
Fanboy comes from seeing a program grow steadily into
what is becoming an industry standard.
Fanboy comes from seeing the works and even advice from
such people as Mr. Baker, Mr Rimasson to name just a few.
Fanboy come from years of seeing updates and new features added
without cost.
Is the company perfect? Far from it.
Is the company fairly young and learning? Yes.
My personal point of view is that they should not have announced any
type of date until it was set in stone with all bugs gone.
They have gone throught this before with the update from 1.5 to 2.
An even bigger mistake then, was allowing the results of the fantastic
beta testers to be posted weeks in advance of the release date.
Talk about wetting the appetite!
A thread such as this existed then also, with the same type of replies, speculation, rants, screams, moans, bitching,sulking, impatience, gossip,
rumors and in general all the best that spoiled petulant children can offer
up. The net result of that thread was the same as this one, just a place
to post something that will relieve the waiting.
Bought this program,within about an hour after downloading the demo.
Used birthday money to do it. Have not regretted it since.
However, if I did not own the program and felt as the writers of some of
these thread do, I would go somewhere else, I you are unhappy now without
paying for it, imagine later…
Fanboy? you bet your ass.
There is room for fanboys and the hobbyist and the professional user on this thread. Everybody has different needs. However it fair to offer suggestions for improvement in customer service and just not praise.
Well said bicc39 vbmenu_register(“postmenu_262303”, true);
I am a proud owner and FANBOY. One thing I would like to add is that even though I am just a hobbyist and don’t use ZB commercially I have never been talked down to or ignored by the Pixologic team when I had a question. I have never had to wait more than a day or two to get an answer.
Patience. The wait will be well worth it.
So call me what you will. I have been a FANBOY for a long time and will be for a long time to come.
JIM
I agree.
Being that I am a newbie on this forum, the wait for the 2.5 upgrade doesn’t really bother me much. My main concern is become as proficient in zbrush as I can possibly be with the current version. I’ve only really started to discover what I can do with 2.0 and even if the upgrade didn’t come for another year, I think zbrush offers more than enough now to keep me busy for quite some time.
\Would it be nice to have 2.5 now or even when it was originally announced? Sure. Is that going to stop me from getting better with the current version I own? No. I believe Pixologic is a wonderful company that makes an outstanding piece of software and has an equally outstanding community. The people here are helpful and provide an awesome amount of creative inspiration. Maybe I’m just easy to please, but by my standards, what more could you ask for?
I think the problem is that a number a people have posted their opinions on how Pixologic could improve their customer service regarding release dates. And it seems they have been somewhat attack for their point of view. There no need to attack someone for a point of view. If you see it another way state your case and leave it at that. I am a Fanboy,Critic,Professional User,and hobbyist. So I understand some of the different point of views. However some the fanboy stuff is getting a little crazy not just on this forum but other forums as well. What Pixologic needs is honest customer appraisal to make their product better not just endless praise.
Zbrush is a tool. It exists to serve the artist. I own the current version and the hard thing for me is not workflow or anything Zbrush specific. The monumental challenge for me is sculpting the form of the figure to my high expectations.
The time spent complaining on a forum is taking time away from your study. I’ll bet the people who are complaining about not getting release dates are the same people who abandonded the pencil long ago.
Software doesn’t make you a better artist, practice does. Just looking at the highlighted threads above I can see that those artists don’t see any limitations to Zbrush. I find that most limitations are not in the software but in ourselves. New agey but true.
I am a professional cg artist and I have a degree in computer science. Programs with bugs are infuriating to me because I bump into them as a user and I know why they pop up in development of software. Any company that endeavors to remove them must take time to do so. Timing a product for Siggraph or E3 even though the release may be premature, is a sign of contempt in the user base. I think the fact that Pixologic is working at providing a sound product should make you guys feel respected as a group. I don’t know of many software companies that do that, explicitly or otherwise.
So far I’m having fun, Zbrush 2.5 or not.
Alot of people have abandoned the pencila long time ago. That is why they want new tools to further push them from tradtional tools and to the tools that will be the new standard in the future. The marketplace is also pushing everyone this way so that only adds to the hysteria.
Hey, I guess this is a stupid question to u guys but ZBrush 2.5 isn’t out yet and a release date is tba, and how long have u been waiting so for??