Who am I to decide? You’re the one who referred to some other people’s work as “the ideas of some juveniles…” Isn’t that a judgement of someone elses work by you? Would you care to point out a specific person’s work that you feel is juvenille? Go ahead.
Again, if art is subjective, if it’s about being different, than people can make up their own minds if they like it, or they don’t. And, they don’t need your permission, or SpiritDreamer’s permission to post their opinion in a public forum. That’s the entire issue here. People expressed their honest opinion and it was more than SpiritDreamer could handle. So get over yourselves already.
hehe i see you read as well as you critique… i never reffered to their works… i reffered to the way they hurled insults and called them critiques.
seriously man… ask yourself… what are you getting out of all this complaining about one persons art other then a smattering sense of self satisfaction? if you already know he’s not gonna listen why are you still trying. are you here to magically save spirit dreamer from all his wrongful ways?
Dapharmer, you seem like a fair guy. I honestly don’t want to sit here and argue with you about this issue anymore. If you look at my comments in other threads, you will also see that I’m not an overly critical guy, or mean-spirited. Just the opposite. I will even make helpful suggestions to people when I see no one else is leaving comments.
I do know for a fact that SpiritDreamer has left many people frustrated and shaking their heads by his apparent lack of willingness to accept any small suggestions, or well-meaning comments regarding his work. It’s like watching someone drowning who refuses to be rescued. It seems like he either wants to piss people off, or he is incapable of learning new things. Why care? Good question. I shouldn’t. I guess seeing that same old flying leopard dragon in my face every time I check the front page to see what’s happening gets to me sometimes. If SpiritDreamer is happy spinning his wheels in his own little world, what difference should it make to me, right? Okay, you convinced me. I’m through arguing.
I’m not teaming up with anyone. The bulk of your long winded post here I suppose is for the other guy. I never said “It’s not art dont do it” I guess you didn’t bother to read my posts or simply cant comprehend what Im saying in them? Why bother having an opinion on anything then?..is the point of this forum not to hear from critics and fans alike?
Do your Art all you want I never said you shouldnt. I give a lot of positive opinions on here too so Im not simply being negative…now this is clearly falling on deaf ears so I’ll be done with it.
Carry on.
Also I have not “Hurled” a single insult…others on here have. try to not lump all semi negative reviews into the same “they’re all little mean kids” lump thanks
Maddnesss…It must be a full moon…LOL:D
problem with any online forum is people take things personally that were never directed at them or really have nothing to do with them
g-dub… the only reason you got lumped in was because for 1 whole page of stuff it was you and max back and forth making comments about his process… if you choose to take my comments about max as refferring to both of you thats your choice to make…
but seriously people… if you can be bothered so much by someone who just wants to make what he wants to make and post it for others to enjoy if they choose to enjoy it then i really dont know what to tell you. for all the time you’ve had to type about spiritdreamers works you probably coulda made a few of your own. hell in between my coming on here to toss my opinion into this pointless discussion i’ve been making adjustments and texturing my latest work… time management… its a beautiful thing 
and derek… i’ve read your comments in other threads before… which is why the vtrolic nature of what you’re saying to spirit make no sense to me. the guy is under no obligation to listen to and/or acknowledge anyone else’s comments or critiques. i don’t get how anyone could let someone’s own personal choices bother them so much when it has absolutely no affect whatsoever on that person. really now… that’s all i’ve been trying to get across here. this thread, it’s spirit dreamers little corner of the world and what he chooses to put in it is really his business and pixologics alone (should pixologic choose to not agree with the content at least) … it shouldnt matter to anyone else whatsoever what he decides to do but again considering that spirit is one of the most viewed threads currently in the forum i would say the vast majority agree and do not mind, or in fact enjoy some of what they’re seeing if not all…
Gosh,
I think if someone has multiple accounts here i think its Spiritdreamer.
- I dont think that someone is desperate enoughe to praise your work
- But I think you are desperate enoughe to get at least some support in this thread though.
Dude, its internet. Some people might like that anonymity, so they can say their real opinion. Some people don’t, because they are polite enoughe to give you some postivie aspects as well, even if they are faked.
But you can count on one thing. Im not trolling, I would tell you that you suck, even when you had your own exhibition, standing in front of all people.
Your are no artist at all, this fact you proved during the whole discussion. You are not willing to progress or even to cooperate. You are just spamming pictures everyone here does in 2 minutes.
Im not a trained artist like G-Dub. Noone ever taught me anything. Im an scientist with passion for art. I know about the learning process, if you are interested u start with own stuff until you want to learn systematically. starting with internet tutroials, then downloading videoworkshops, buying books and so on. this is the chain of learning i don’t see in your works.
It seems that a scientist with little freetime gathered more skill than you who has the whole day to “experiment”.
the reason seems to be the difference in passion. if u are passionated, the steps in progressing are much faster than yours. 90 pages without progress are selfspeaking.
why do u also produce that much? Are you so bored?.
excusing your stuff with wannabe-artistic terms like " ohh yea man this was really crazy ****n yo, i wasa haaaigh, thats the result, im like dali noow!"
are you serious?
Its hard to find something positive on you, neither your works deserve more than 2 stars nor your personality. And this is the point im angry about.
Everyone has the gift making something really good by improving. but you are kicking this gift in its face. If you like posting one picture after the next, do this on deviantart please. but i think this forum is for peeope who do more with zbrush than putting collages together.
Day Two…Round 50…Ding Ding…
Dapharmer…Thank You…Again…
Max Peterson…Maybe you should stick to science, because it’s obvious that you don’t know anything about art, or artist…:eek:
Look, dapharmer. I said I was willing to walk away from our argument and just forget about it, but if you are going to keep making remarks about what I said, then I’m going to have to defend myself.
Go back and read the initial comments I first made on this thread about SpiritDreamer’s work. They were not malicious. They were totally valid comments. SpiritDreamer simply passed my comments off like he does with every comment that isn’t blowing smoke up his butt. Fine. I let it alone. One day, I see another piece of his work and I decide to make another comment. He gave his usual, noncommittal, vague answer, then, made a joke. All fine at that point. So, I made a good natured joke back to him. Now he labels me a troll, just as he has with so many others that have critiqued his work. He set the vitrolic tone himself, as usual. He dosen’t have to like my opinion one bit, but if he is going to post his work in a public forum, he is going to hear it, as well, as other people’s comments. No, they aren’t going to be all positive either. Ever wonder why his thread creates more animosity than any other thread here? Could any of it be his attitude perhaps? I remember another thread that had lots of hostile comments in it. It was the same thing. The guy’s technique was bad, and he really needed help from people who took the time out of their day to give it to him. Unfortunately, he wasn’t open to any critiques or opposing comments. He told everyone he was going to do it his way, and to butt out. That’s not the way to make friends in a public forum, especially, if you’re going to offer your own opinions on other people’s work. It is a public forum. It is designed for people to express themselves, not only in art, but in words. SpiritDreamer has yet to accept that reality. I don’t start fights with people here, but I won’t back away from them either.
Derek Frenzo…Hey Troll… …So are you going to open a sketchbook soon…Can’t Wait…:lol: :D…
Oh don’t look now, but there is another Snow Dragon coming up on the horizon.
This is getting out of hand.
NO personal attacks are ever allowed on ZBC. Period. SpiritDreamer: Enough with calling people “Troll”.
And while debate is certainly allowed on the forum, keep it civil. This thread is moving away from that and so I’m having to step in. If someone feels that helpful criticism is falling on deaf ears, fine. Don’t get bent out of shape about it; simply go find artists that are more receptive to what you have to say.
Please don’t make me start silencing accounts or giving out temporary bans.
Thanks. :)
Ouch, another hate wave!
Keep up the good spirit SD, don’t let the narrow minded get to you!
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max… aurick said drop it… lets all just be civil and do so
spirit… suggestion for next project… horse with long legs and someone knocked off it 
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just saying
How high will that horse be exactly, dapharmer?
That seems like a pretty unfair assessment to me, Santis.
Just because someone doesn’t like a particular person’s work, doesn’t make them close-minded.
You know, I think I’m a pretty open-minded guy when it comes to most things.
I appreciate many types of music, food, films, and cultures. I’m even open to what has often been referred to as “alternative medicines” being used in some cases over “traditional medicine”, as well as, many other things. I’m curious if you like everything all the same. Do you like every different kind of food there is? Do you like every kind of music there is? Do you like every movie you see? Do you like all, and every single piece of artwork you see? As was already mentioned, this is a public forum. It encourages freedom of expression.
However, freedom of expression isn’t just a one way street. People are free to post their work, but then, people are also free to make comments on them. That’s how a forum works. I think some valid points have been made here. Just because they aren’t appreciated by the artist, doesn’t make them any less valid.
Hehe, well not to fuel the fire, I will give a short summarised answer to that 
First of I’m glad to hear that you are willing to try alternative medicines and that you are listing to different kinds of music 
Expecting everyone to like the same kind of art would, if something, be narrow minded! 
I’m not saying that SD allways responds to critique in an appropriate way, sometimes even a bit inappropriate.
But it seems to me that every time one of these hate waves occurs, it’s more about criticizing him as a person and artist, more than his acctual work.
As you put it:
“this is a public forum. It encourages freedom of expression”
It feels to me that his expression just isn’t valid to a lot of people here, some like it, but some just have to be rude about it.
It can start out like an honest critique, but when SD dosen’t respond to it as good as he could have the bullying starts like: “haha you only got 2 stars!”, very immature.
Some times the valid point comes up that it may take up too much of the bottom row. That’s valid because it affects others. But instead of driving that point further by, for example, explaingng how you can post without having a thumbnail appear in the bottom row with every post you make, people just start throwing s*** on each other.
Why I give SD right is because it’s his thread and he dosen’t violate any rules or asks for any critique, that’s up to every artist
this link here… speaks for itself… i dont think any more needs to be said on this subject :
Therein lies the rub right there! If you are going to post your work at every single minuscule stage of progress and conceivable variation, and take up space in a public forum that other artists who really want critiques could be using, but you don’t want any critiques, and you respond badly to any that are given, then why even post your work at all? Why post every stage of the WIP if not to get people’s feedback? The vast amount of postings here are unlike any thread I’ve ever seen - And, in two threads no less! What’s the purpose, if not to be scrutinized by others? Is it only to get accolades? If that’s all, If you really don’t want your work being scrutinized and picked apart by other people, then why post it in a public forum? Why not just show it to your close friends and relatives, or just post your finished work in a portfolio like the link to CG Talk that dapharmer posted above? People have their own opinions, and they are going to express them. You can’t be all in people’s faces all the time, thumbing your nose at them, and expect them not to react badly. It’s like a big tease who is just begging for attention, but then, once they get it, they don’t want it.
Or, like you’re throwing another very loud, late night party, and once again, none of your neighbors are invited to it, and you wonder why the neighbors are pissed off?
I do recall SD saying once that he liked all the controversy he creates here. So, maybe it’s all about stirring up the hornets nest, just so he can watch all the hornets get crazy mad.
Otherwise, the whole thing makes absolutely no sense to me at all.