hey g-dub and max… here’s an idea
if you’re not the same person which it seems like…
how bout instead of wasting the time of someone who chooses to do his own thing and not base his work on the ideas of some juveniles…why dont instead you um… work on some of your own
and i pity you max… you talka talka talka… but you no doa doa doa… put up or shut up
We are not the same person, I think that;s fairly obvious also I think its rather silly to write what you did because I have some criticisms of work on here. I dont post on here very much and have been working as an artist for 17 years. I’m not sure what base his work on some Juvenal is even supposed to mean I’m 35 years old and have trained in fine arts in collage and in both CGI animation and classical animation at the Vancouver Institute of Media Arts…I’m giving an honest opinion of the work. If you just want people to say its amazing why post it in a forum? I certainly wasn’t trying to make a personal attack so I am sorry if I offended the Artist
1…sarcasm… saaar…casss…m
2… the bulk of that was pointed towards max… if you look at the past few days of max’s comments theres a lot of questioning people’s artistic decisions… which leads to 3
3… the reason i commented is because the two of you seem to be double teaming someone over … now wait for it… his own personal view of his art. art isn’t the product. artis the process. it’s the flow of a persons ideas and emotions into whatever they do regardless of the product. who are any of us to think we have any right to sit and call what someone focuses their art on spam or garbage or blah blah blah… There’s people out there who put a single stroke of paint on a canvas and it’s called art… why… not because of the product but because of the process behind it… the process is the art and if you look back over spirit dreamers works here there is very definitely a process all his own… and its not up you you g-dub or youm ax to determine whether it’s wrong or right or whether he has a right to post it here.
let’s see something quick… as of the time of writing this spirit has had 1348 posts in this thread and 280,920 views… do you really think if even close to a sizeable number of people in these forums considered what he did anything less then art he would have those numbers? Regardless of the number of times he posts. If people didnt like it they wouldnt click on any link created by him. but they do… alot…
and now one more thing… the star system… you do realize that a 1star rating and a 2 star rating… they’re not actually bad things? any star rating means your work has advanced to a point that people actually feel bothered enough to rate it. how many people go months and dozens of posts without getting any more attention then a single passing critique months after the post. … and these people are dying for some feedback on there posts… and then along comes a single 1star vote or 2 star vote… and even that becomes significant to them because is means someone acknowledges their work enough to take the time out of they’re day and click it. but like spirit said the system is broke because all it takes is some jerk with a chip on his shoulder who just finished an art appreciation class and has the percieved illusion that he knows more about what art is then people who have been performing their art for years to get his friends to create new accounts and votebomb someone they dont like down to nothing. thats why worth1000 became garbage.
you may not like spirit’s works but here’s the thing… you dont have to click. you dont have to give your appreciations of it … you can give your critiques… but if all your gonna do is say… thats not art why do you keep posting it… then your in the wrong place for that. or hell…say it once then never click another work by him again if it pains you so much to look at it. because obviously the majorityof the people on the forums kinda disagree with you since it’s one of the most read and commented in threads still active on here. And it’s a guy who is just choosing to produce works of his own personal art in the style and method he wishes to do so. if you can honestly sit here and tell me that something like that is wrong then yeah… i pity you. and an admission like that in front of people who take their own personal art seriously… not gonna get you much respect
Bro, nice one, I couldnt of said it any better… Too many haters dude!
Ok, that was fantastic (the whole thing).
SEP. 12, 2011
Dapharmer …Ares 1979…Mealea…Hey Guys, Thank You 
Wip. Thumbnail Sketch Concept…Having the canary in the coal mine, being not the only canary in the coal mine…but having the miners also being canaries while they are being exploted by the coal mine company.
ZBRUSH / Corel Painter
Title…The Canaries
Dapharmer, even though I fully realize that leaving any critiques in this thread is a complete exercise in futility since they are all completely ignored, maybe you could answer a question for me. Why is it whenever someone makes any critique about SpiritDreamer’s work, they are told they are picking on him? SpiritDreamer posts critiques of other people’s work in their threads doesn’t he? Everyone else who posts work in this forum is open to critiques except for SpiritDreamer. Why is that?
I can answer that with ease I think with an example or two:
If I said;
“Hay I think the perspective is off and that building needs to be rotated a bit to the left”
He would say thanks and fix it. If I were correct.
If however I said;
“You have too much stuff, I dont like any of it and no one else does either”.
I would expect him or anyone else to tell me to shove off.
Hows that?
Mealea…Thank You…
Derek Frenzo…Feels kind of weird being a third person and bystander in my own sketchbook…Would be nice to talk one on one when you have a question to ask about me…What is the matter with you anyway…You are just one negitive person, i’m telling you…No one is twisting your arm to like me, or my work…You Know…You would be wise, if you could rise above your pettyness…You Know.
As far as my crits of other peoples works,…There are none…I only give suggestions, that might be of some useful purpose, and I state them as that, just suggestions,Nothing more…There is a finness to teaching and helping, and it’s an art in itself…If you ever were to teach , you might know that fact.
I’m not wasting my time talking to you right now, SpiritDreamer. You don’t listen to anyone except for the few who shower you with praise, and my posts on other threads are not negative, but encouraging. Check them out for yourself. An issue has been raised here, and I want to talk about it. MealeaYing, it isn’t just the harsh critiques. Several people, including myself, have posted constructive critiques, that actually point out things that could be improved upon, and we have been met with the same exact reaction by SpiritDreamer. He simply passes it off as coming from someone who just doesn’t understand him, or his dreams, or someone who is just trolling his thread. His work is often criticized for the same exact reasons no matter who is giving the critique. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to grow, or improve as an artist. So be it. That’s his choice. However, if someone is going to keep shoving the same old half done models and half thought out concepts on their threads over and over again, then they have to be willing to expect criticism, both constructive and otherwise.
Derek Frenzo…Buzz Off…Troll…
:lol:
If you can’t talk to me one on one…in my own thread,…Then you shouldn’t talk at all…
If I talk to you, will you give me a legitimate answer for a change, instead of just passing it off as a dream you don’t even understand yourself?
hey Salvador… this is the artworld calling… you really need to learn to create a solid clock… all this melty stuff is just taking the easy way out… how do you ever expect to grow as an artist when you can’t do things the right way?
Dapharmer, this isn’t at all about being different, or about trying to do something different than everyone else. Because someone does something that’s different from other people, that makes them a Salvador Dali, or puts them above criticism? Really?
Derek Frenzo…LOL…
Do you think the oil companies are a dream, or the nuclear submarines that carry nuclear missiles, or the offshore oil rigges that are continuously polluting and killing the oceans or the coal mines and the miners that are exploted by the companies that own those mines…Take a closer look at my works, and you might actually see a reality in those dreams of mine…Troll…
Dapharmer…That was Great. .Made my day…Better…Thank You
the thing though derek… yeah nobody is above criticsm… but again… who is anyone here or anywhere else to decide what constitutes art.
and to take what you said and put it in reverse… just because someone chooses to do something differently, should that make them the target of extra criticsm for making those choices
if you think i have this attitude only towards spirit or that for some reason i hold him exempt from any possible wrong… then that’s silly… i have the same beliefs towards any unwaaranted and unfair attacks on anyone’s efforts that i see on the forums. everyone has different tastes and different ways of going about their own personal art… what really bothers you isnt that spirits works are bad or anything…/ its that he doesnt acknowledge what you or anyone else for that matter thinks they should be. and i can respect that. does that mean i dont think he has room to grow? hell no. we all do… otherwise we’d all be getting top row posts daily…
but just because you take the time to tell someone what you think they can do to improve doesnt mean your ideas or anyone elses are 1) right… or 2) apply to the person you’re saying it to.
the point of my little dali thing wasnt to compare spirits work to him. it was to point out how silly that kind of statement is. an expressionist can’t go and tell a surealist that their works arent art. they can’t go and say you have to do it like this or you’ll never grow… never be an artist… because well… it’s f’in retarted to do 
… that doesnt stop people from thinking they know better and trying, but if every artist now considered a master succumbed to some critic who told them their art wasn’t art at all… then we would have no diversity among the history of art… we’d have noone trying something different to see where it takes them
if thats something you can’t understand then maybe you should stop looking at people’s art works that don’t fit into whatever narrow view you consider as correct… maybe you dont notice the improvement in spirits technique and maybe he does. you can’t decide whats right for him and if he decides he doesnt want to listen to anyones critiques does that hurt you in any way? or does it just hurt your pride?
Oh, there you are, SpiritDreamer. I thought you left.
Those are your own words when I asked you about a piece of work you did, SpiritDreamer, not mine. All just a dream you can’t explain. Another one of your vague answers to a legitimate question, or critique. You’re the one in your own world, not me. 
Again, Dapharmer, you’re not getting my point at all. It isn’t about trying to be different. That’s not the point anyone here has been trying to make. As if just being different in itself makes something, or someone, special or better.
“I think I will drive the wrong way on the highway just to be different. Only fools follow the flow of traffic. Not me, I’m special!”
People have given SpiritDreamer legitimate critiques about how he might improve his work. Many of them are about the same exact issues. For instance, he doesn’t pose his models to be interacting with each other in his scenes. He keeps them in the same static poses every time he recycles them for another piece. That is a legitimate critique that has nothing to do with the subject matter. That is picking on the guy? You’re right that art is subjective. That means people don’t have to like his work either, and without being told they just don’t get him, or they only like artwork featuring woman with big breasts. That’s juvenille. If he doesn’t want ANY CRITIQUES than why does he post so much work in this forum? If he accepts no critiques at all, then he needs to post a disclaimer saying, NO CRITIQUES ACCEPTED!!
Drick Frenzo…What have you said, if anything with your own art… lately…:qu:
Why don’t you open up your own sketchbook in this forum, so we can all see what you are trying to say with your own art…Afraid that you might get your pride damaged.
What are you doing in this forum and in my thread anyway…Just slumming would be my guess oh Great One…You like to dish it out,…Open your own sketchbook thread in this forum, and we’ll all see if you can take it as well as you dish it out…TROLL.
and derek… you are not getting my point at all.
who are you to decide ?
do you make the forum rules. is there somethign that explicitly says your posting of your own work here constitutes acceptance that it will be torn to shreds and you will be required to do as everyone says?
seriously man… why does his work bother you so much… you seem to be in here just spouting off for some personal reason that isnt at all coming accross in “what you’re trying to say”.
are you mad because you gave advice and he didnt take it? so f’ing what… get over yourself… or if you think he’s doing something wrong… bring your grievance to the forum mods and see what they tell you to do with it.
all you’re doing by repeatedly telling someone that they arent art-worth is making yourself look like an elitist jackoff.
and for the record… it’s always about being different… art is personal … what i call art does not have to be the same as what you call art and if you think it does then you sir need to go to some forum like fark or worth1000’s and post there where all the rest of the elitist attention demanding people live. being different and trying to express things in your own way is what any art form is about.