well it maybe that they are under an NDA so simply can’t let the cat out out of the bag…we’re so close to siggraph and we have mudbox ‘hinting’ all sorts of things…i’m sure zbrush will have some goodies to announce as well, but for maximun marketing exposure for a small company like pixologic compared to the huge autodesk they have to shine really brightly at siggraph…so everything’s under wraps until then by the looks of it…you never know we may see zb4 launch on osx, linux and windows with a huge update…or nothing at all…we don;t know…an they’d like to keep autodesk and luxology guessing as well…annoying for us i know but they’re in the commmercial product business not open source apps.
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But at this time, you have a working Windows version, right? Can we have this version, and receive the osx version when it will be ready? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well guys, this is not looking good at all. Now, maybe Aurick can’t say anything, but he sure did stir the pot. I have to admit, I’ll wait until Siggragh to see what the word is. If I don’t feel good about it, I may proceed to see what my options are for a refund.
I think that if they were under NDA then saying nothing would have been better than saying that after about half a year of beta testing they are not sure what platforms the software will run on.
John
It’s one thing not being sure if the minimum requirements will be 512MB of Ram or 1Gb and another not knowing the processor requirements!!!
Come on!!! They don’t know yet if their program will run on powerpc or intel??
I almost put that in my reply to Aurick but thought better of it. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that’s utter nonsense.
I’m starting to think this is all now some crazy misinformation scam to mess with the competitor’s heads. Only the competitors really don’t give a **** - the only ones getting messed up is us Mac users.
It’s obvious this would be the answer. Moreover, it’s obvious WHY this would be the answer.
It’s not corporate schizophrenia. It’s what he’s already told us, repeatedly.
Read his previous statements and it’s clear what’s going on. They’re not getting sufficient performance out of their Mac version of ZB3. They’re working on it, but it’s a lot slower than the Windows version for some reason.
We don’t know why, but we know this is the problem. It’s been stated several times. I suspect they’ve had a working ZB3 for Mac for some time, but that they’re so unhappy with the performance that they can’t in good conscience stick a fork in it and call it done.
Obviously, if performance is your last stumbling block, then you can’t say what the minimum system requirements will be quite yet. The PPC Macs are slower than the Intel Macs for most tasks. Whatever speed they’re seeing with ZB3 that’s disappointing them, no doubt it’s even worse for the PPC. And we don’t even know how many Intel-specific optimizations were ported over from the Windows side. (Makes me wonder if both Intel and PPC are running too slow, or just the PPC… but it’s probably both, or they’d have gone to market a long time ago with the Intel, like he says)
…the horror…
ztime space continuum.
Sounds pretty optimistic for intel macs. They must be getting some kind of good performance amongst the issues…
I agree with you, Ronbo13, but mostly just for the ppcs. The intel must be giving them less trouble ^, and showing some good performance^^. Obviously, the intel version isn’t squeaky clean or I wouldn’t be typing this! At least they’re optimistic about the Mac performance, though. Can’t wait to click that “Z” in the dock! After the unofficial Feb. news, I’m still betting on an update announcement @ Siggraph, any takers?
Cheers to speculation…
Just face it, Pixo isn’t releasing a Mac version. They won’t announce it because they don’t want to have to give everyone a refund. Remember the post about it supposedly being in “beta testing”, how long ago was that? As of right now it’s been well over a year since the release of the PC version and they have had A LOT longer than that to be working on the Mac version. They haven’t even shown any evidence at all to the public yet that there’s even a ZB3 coming for Mac.
LOL! No wonder Aurick hardly ever posts here, whatever he says leads to galloping speculation and conclusion jumping! 
There’s no reason to assume that, the delay could be due to any of a number of things, performance, stability, memory management, unreliable or broken functions, hell at this stage the Mac version could even be held up by development of the Windows version! We have no info to base such speculation on.
I don’t think you can even assume that! I’m pretty sure that Pixologic won’t release a Mac version that doesn’t perform well but nothing Aurick has said suggests it’s anything special at the moment.
That’s the only important part of this statement, Aurick is just trying to pour some oil on troubled waters without giving away any information whatsoever! So don’t go reading anything into his statements, it may lead to further disappointment down the road!
Siggraph is just days away now, there’s no way we will learn anything before then but it’s not long to wait now! If they don’t give any definate info out at Siggraph then by all means go back to wild speculation, hair tearing and threats… I’ll probably be joining you!
As for the suggestion that there is no Mac version, well that’s just about the most absurd conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard, Pixologic certainly have faults and they’ve handled this Mac upgrade very badly but they’re not theives!
May I ask one more thing ?
Why will there not be any ZBrush 3 or xxx for MacOS 9.
This is definitely not acceptable !!!
as a version for Mac II … I’d like to use this new technology stuff on my Mac II.
hin hin hin
Some people here should live in the right time
I know I’ll be flamed but hey …
Oh sure there is a mac version. I’m positive they intend to release it someday in some form. I’ll probably even download it and play with it if my mac pro is still recent enough to be supported. If not then oh well, I got ripped off by corel and hash etc… Integrity doesn’t appear to be the norm in the art app industry. I remember names and move on.
BTW how do i unsubscribe?
You’ll be flamed? Really? For what? Adding absolutely nothing of value here? Hmmm … can’t imagine.
Lately I’ve only been coming here once every week or two. I must say that I was disturbed by the content of aurick’s latest message. To think that the development team is still fumbling around with whether or not to include a PPC version is amazing. Frankly, this underscores a secret suspicion of mine: namely, that there will be no Mac 3.x version at Siggraph, and that the wait for one will extend well beyond it and into the boundless future.
Bizarre, simply bizarre!
Well, if they can’t do it, they can’t do it. If it isn’t ready for Sigragh, then I think refunds are appropriate. No sense in them wasting their time and our money any longer.
Well… the plot thickens.
The indetermination about a Universal Binary this late in the game casts gloom over this interminable development cycle.
I wonder what the decision makers at Pixologic think about all this.
I understand the need for a certain degree of corporate secrecy to protect their intellectual property and share of the market, but really… what’s there to protect about development of ZB3 on OSX? The product is already out in the open for all to see on the windows platform. What harm could it possibly do to Pixologic? A few words every now and then directly from the developer(s) about the state of things would get rid of all the vitriol and anger expressed by Mac users on this, and other forums. And if there are new features being added that require secrecy, how hard can it be to simply not make mention of them?
One could be forgiven to think it’s more about silly principles and stubbornness of upper management. And them not wanting to give in to public pressure to change their outdated policies, no matter how much it hurts their street credentials.
I’m quite sure that if we were going to see a mac version at siggraph someone from pixologic would have made a big deal out of it.
Aurick’s post reveals the exact opposite. There’s no way in hell we’ll see Z3 or whatever for mac.
Actually, while we’re on the topic of “there’s no reason to…”, I’d add that there’s no reason to flame me over my post.
Your list of possibilities is entirely correct, and no doubt to some extent many of those are actually true.
But I’m not ASSUMING a lot. I’m simply remembering what Aurick has said on several occasions about performance. And performance questions the most likely reason for being unable to go on record about platform support as basic as Universal vs Intel-only, so far long after announcing beta.
I’m simply trying to interpret Aurick’s own posts in as reasonable a way as possible and not go off the deep end with the conspiracy theories.
Your later remark that “Aurick is just trying to pour some oil on troubled waters without giving away any information whatsoever!” is actually a lot less reasonable. There’s significant information in his posts. It’s carefully worded and precisely limited in scope, but there’s genuine information. (Not nearly so much as some of the less level-headed posters out there think). On which topic, I strongly agree with your criticism about that other poster’s remark about “There’s no Mac version” though.