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Wow mate that is a hell of an idea you have going there. You obviously did a lot more individual development than I did, but then again I was working largely in Machine code for Att and people like that so it was up to them to maintain the actual data.

But with what I do now, I can see where grouping different functions onto separate drives would be a really great idea.

Yeah, I do actually hate Retrospect, especially these days, but I did not know I could get Rsync to do tapes and like you I am a data paranoiac. Most of my data is at least triple backed up and you introducing me to Superduper has been a lifesaver. No I have not checked out Ruby on Rails yet but I will, that your work??.

This has definitely been one of the handiest forums I have been on, and most of the tips have come from you so they are much appreciated.

If you have any tips after going over my Sys Profile I would appreciate hearing them.
Of course Zbrush has to be the prime focus here as that is about the only App that gives me any hassle and for an App that won’t work on Intel Systems, It seems to work just fine as soon as itr takes so to speak.

Sent you an email, we’ll go back and forth a bit and see if we can’t narrow down anything out of the ordinary as it should help others.

I don’t use Tape, way too slow. Drives really are cheap. Once a drive is disconnected from power it’s pretty much safe. You can get a little bare bones dock from Weibe Tech that allows you to disconnect and connect almost any drive quickly and efficiently. Then you structure the rest as you see fit, I prefer firewire 400 for storage through NAS and I attach firewire 800 or better for working. I like those little boxes that look like Mac Mini’s I loce stacking them up in piles, building little cities!

Of course this is me, with a production background. I have also worked for IBM, Apple, NASA and a few others where I’ve done the central server stuff, as you are and my approach. I like mine. :wink: I just like to know, that all I pretty much need to do if a problem happens, is swap in a new drive and pull back what is needed and continue. Usually no more than an hour down time. Not everyone needs this, most people don’t backup, archive or in anyway attempt to make their lives easier. Sooner or later, the will wish they had! :wink:

Machine code, ah the good 'ole days! That has been a long time. No I didn’t write RoR, just use it as a very efficient tool as it reduces required code for anything immensley. I’m lazy. :wink:

Yes I know tape is a bit slow, especially the initial backups, takes me about 18 hours per machine for each initial backup, but after that it is pretty fast.

I have been told by a lot of folks that drives thesse days are really pretty reliable as long as they are not left on and I ma beginning to go that way. So far knock on wood I have never been let down by tape but everything else including drives have lost me data once a whole bunch of stuff so I have never let that happen again. With Drives hitting a terabyte and more though, Tapes are getting to be a real headach especially when they need refreshing, that’s real killer.

Yeah, Machine code is still king but what a pain, can you imagine writing Zbrush in Machine code, you would need about 10 lives. Debugging would be areal killer.

Well it’s real nice to know there are some us old bit hunters around still.

I like you Firewire 400 for backup with 800 for work, i might give that a go and those stackable drives loook good and i figure they must be reliable or you would’nt be using them.

Will definitely keep this thing going until we can get patch out there, that would be really good.

Stuart

P.S.
My Satellite ISP is going to be reworking their Email servers between 8PM Jan 27 and 9AM Jan 28 so as long you use the .mac I should be OK but don’t use any Skycasers addresses you might have picked up from me OK.

Processor speed:Dual 2GHZ mac pro
Memory (MB) as supplied by Apple:1GB
Memory (MB) installed afterwards:none
Memory installed afterwards - Paired (Y/N):n/a
Memory vendor:n/a
OS X version:10.4.8
Dev Tools installed?:no
Anything else you can think might be relevant: graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT
Success (Y/N):Y
Issues:Using version 2.03. Does have issues starting up, about 1 in every 10 starts fails, but i just force quit and restart. ive never had to restart more than twice to get it running. no other issues so far will post if i run in to any
Opinion:Im a new user of Zbrush so im just about getting used to it but its working fine so apart from the mentioned issues, its all good! (would still like to see the UB as soon as poss please :slight_smile:
No. of tries before launch?:see above
After quitting, No. of tries before launch?:see above

Thank you mrcms, this is the kind of helpful information we need to hear. Please keep us up-to-date. :wink:

For everyone who has and is helping out with this, you have my thanks. The powers that be, also recognized the effort… :wink:

http://www.hox.fr/Pixologic/pixologic_newsletter_12_2006.html

HI Jason and congratulations on the Pixols people taking notice, hopefully we will have the fully functional Next Version soon as it sure looks like a major upgrade.

Mind you the current Version is amazing enough as it is.

THe Script works fine on my wifes Clean Macpro I get a first launch from the script every time, so it must be one of my startup files that is causing the issue. Unfortunately it is probably something I need on a regular basis and after all the work I spent getting this Computer set up having to go through all that work again to put things on separate drives would be a killer.

I might group the Music Software on one system, with the audio support files on a separate drive as i have them now. Do the same with the 3D Animation and Video Applications and have a small startup for general stuff on another drive. I am glad i got all the Internal drive spaces filled on this macPro.
If you have any ideas on how best to do this, maybe using SuperDuper, that may cure the startup issue I have with Zbrush. Let me know wat you think.

Stuart

Good to hear man. This seems to be a theme. Adding naughty things causes even more issues. Hehe, too bad we all need naughty things now and again.

I’m back tracking some Neton tools I installed that had originally necessitated me writing th script inthe first place. Of course those all go through Rosetta!

I’m looking into it, between various things this week and I’ll see if I can think up a solution for you. :wink:

HEck me add naughty Rosetta based items, me who actually spent money for Flip4Mac I can’t believe it, Aw shucks.

What I still find hard to believe is that a fair amount of the Intel OS is still Power PC based, now how do I get around that??.

ALso there must be another list of startup items the system uses for itself, but I cannot locate it,. Do you have any ideas as to where it is.
I know about the one in the Main Library but cannot find it or its equivalent in the System Library.

Well I think you finallt have me convinced it is a timing issue.

I still never need more than 6 tries before Zbrush mounts and the one thing the script does is it reduces that count on my MacPro to 4 attempts, if that makes any sense.

I have managed to get Zbrush to boot into a Blank interface a couple of times with the script, this only happened on my MacBook Pro 17" before never on the MacPro, so there may be a clue there. Plus on the MacPro I still have all those naughty Rosetta startup items loading.

Stuart

Hey stuartpa, what is PPC based in the OS, that you are specifically noticing?

Sounds like things are improving.

I’ll dig up the startup command to show each thing loading, sorry I’ve got to remember what I called the txt file. No matter how much searching you do, if you don’t know what your searching for your %$%@@^%! :lol:

Try CMD-V on startup, this is verbose mode, should show you what is happening. However the issue I believe we are all having is long after this. When our systems start the ‘startup itmes’ list. If Rosetta gets called into work, she could get grumpy if enough stuff is ready for her to do. Then when we ask her nice to get Zbrush running, she gets all snitty with us.

I’m exploring some options to either shutdown the other stuff and run ZBrush, then after Zbrush us done, restore the original things or see if it’s possible to get Rosetta to think nothing else is running.

Long shots, I think we are pretty close to the best we are going to get. The issue isn’t how much RAM you have after a certain amount, because even those with 64bit systems and lots of RAM, Rosetta still works in 32bit space and 2GB RAM. Tricky, no?

Still testing in spare moments. :wink:

HI Jason, it is not so much that I notice items in the OS specifically but when I use the activity monitor it appears that there are parts of the OS that are still Power PC as opposed to Intel based. Ther’s not much but I am trying to eliminate anything PowerPC based that I know of so I can safely terminate a process to see how it affects my zbrush launch times.

One in particular is “aksusbd”, I am not sure what this process is associated with so I don’t feel too safe simply terminating it.

The OS now is a whole lot better than it was earlier on.

Just looking for the Holy grail of the Initial Zbrush launch.

Stuart

I have a dashboard widget and a few openbase things, but all these are not installed by the OS, they are from me not being careful. Revisiting those myself. :wink:

Don’t worry about terminating it, you can always restart. :wink:

HI Jason, I think that you are more than likely correct here, when I lookin the activity monitor almost all the PowerPc stuff in there is stuff I can recognise, MS Office and so on. I have no problem terminating those issues.

I was not certain if terminating an unknown process would cause some OS issues but if not I will get around to assasinating a whole bunch of Power PC processes and see if that will enable me to use the script. I wonder if I can make a Zbrush launch script that will kill any PowerPC processes, run your script and see what happens.

O guess most people will not want to do that as it would terminate anything they have going that is non universal.

Stuart

Well I’ve had ZB (demo) running on my Macbook Pro for a while with no issues at all…

I have now transfered my licence over & tried to install on my Macpro with no luck whatsoever, I had to install ZB 1.55b first then ZB 2 but ZB 2 just hangs & I can’t even activate it…

It’s basically useless to me at the moment any ideas???

System specs are… Macpro Quad Xeon 3.0Ghz, 8Gb of memory, NVidia Quadro FX 4500…

Like I said I got the demo working fine on the Macbook Pro, but the full version can’t even be activated, I just get the sodding spinning beachball… :mad:

Hi Buckie, been awhile. Welcome.

OK let’s see if we can get you sorted out.

On the MacPro, can you give me the steps you followed? Just making sure, so I can correct it for you. You won’t need 1.5 on that system at all. Give me the steps you followed just to be sure. :wink:

Managed to sort it Jason, I needed 1.55b installed as I was tranfering my Windows licence over to Mac & apparently that is part of the process.
15 attempts leaving the system for around 3 mins finally paid off…

I’m only having the usual problems now but I will try the script out & report back.
On my Macbook Pro I was only using the demo which installed & ran with a lot less issues, not sure why though. For this reason I never reported back as I thought it would only be relevant reporting on the full version.
Without wanting to sound like an idiot, but obviously I am, where does this script need to go in order to get things working… :o

Thanks for the prompt reply… :wink:

OK, keep us informed, so we can help another in a similar situation. Thanks. :wink:

I sent an email to support about this, but this here forum thread seems to be right on target subject-wise, if not a solution for me yet…

Processor speed: 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Memory (MB) as supplied by Apple: 1GB
Memory (MB) installed afterwards: +2GB = 3GB total RAM
Memory installed afterwards - Paired (Y/N): Y
Memory vendor: Crucial
OS X version: 10.4.8
Dev Tools installed?: N
Anything else you can think might be relevant: Was able to get through the step where I tell it where the ULicense.zul file is, but then it gave me the ball (Mac’s version of the finger I think!), and I haven’t been able to get past the first Next since…
Success (Y/N):N
Issues: Was unable to find the batchmode utility mentioned in a related thread, but I’m the only user, with only one account, and it’s admin. Get Info says I have read/write access to the ZBrush folders (both versions)
Opinion: The ZBrush registration and installation procedure is convoluted, in my opinion;-) But I’m not giving up!
No. of tries before launch?: I’m on my 12th in a row, with 1-2 minutes between force-quits/launch attempts…
After quitting, No. of tries before launch?: No joy yet… now on try # 15…

Hello stuckfly, support won’t help you as Zbrush 2 is not truly supported in Intel base Mac’s. They do have a link from the main site to this thread and we’ll do what we can to get you rolling.

  1. Have you tried the script posted above???

  2. As stuartpa has been noticing - do you have other PPC apps running, this includes widgets??? (Check it out in Activity Manager)

Let us know, we’ll help you. You are getting the beach ball becasue Rosetta is not releasing her death grip. :wink: