…can’t resist awful joke any longer…
Well, according to Peter van der Linden, “Intel put the backwards into backwards compatability.”
:lol:
I sure could have used the model rigging features last night.
Pixologic, you owe me at least an hour of my life back. 
yea me too! :lol:
I got tired of waiting, so I just figured id learn how to do it in maya. now I dont need the zbrush update, it would help just to keep the HI-RES though. now if there was just a very simple and fast effective picture/text tutorial for displacement mapping in maya. dont worry folks, I followed your tuts and for what ever reason they didnt work
for the people who just can’t wait
there is lots of impressive 3D modeling and texture programs that were at SIGGRAPH
which are all ready on the market with plenty of info.
i tryed talking to a friend of mine who works for a 3D Game company which he models for them
to wait and buy zbrush
he said he would of but he had a dead line and couldn’t wait
so he desided to buy another 3D/Texture program he seen at SIGGRAPH
Edonkey,
I’d be interested in what package your friend chose, and what it could do that Zbrush couldn’t as it stands right now. I mean, I really can’t think of any other program that does anything close to what Zbrush can do, as far as modelling goes. Well, except maybe for Clay Tools from Sensable. I really hate their haptic interface, though. I really like sculpting with a tablet…
I do wish the Zbrush team communicated with the community more, like the Silo team seems to. I know they have their reasons, but it would be nice if Pixolator was a little more hands on…
~Mike D.
Money = functionality. You can buy and replace any function in Zbrush with another product’s function.
Silo, Modo, Maja, XSI… all have ‘better’ modeler than Zbrush.
BUT none can SCULPT high poly meshes. Period. Feed a 70 Meg mesh to Silo… FRIZZLE… Try the cool topo brush in silo… hahahaha flipped normals, holes in the mesh… highly unpredictable! Modo… LMAO… I am happy when Modo can import 50% of the .obj files I have which are all below 100KB. Just forget larger meshes/higher subdiv levels with Modo. XSI is able to ingest large meshes but then the display rate is unworkable on my box. And if it’s to large for Mental Ray then it drops dead.
ZBrush is without comparison. With heavy meshes/high subdiv levels and a renderer which digests that onslaught, ZBrush is unbeatable. That’s my own experience. And edonkey’s friend will miss his deadline for sure if he intends to use another product as replacement for ZB’s specialty functions.
Btw… the ‘Information Out’ of other manufacturers doesn;t mean A THING.
BodyPaint3D R2.5 release is anounced. Delivery time ???
Modo 201 is anounced… delivery time??? They are working on another bug fix of 102 first…
Silo 2.0 is announced. For this year. Maybe… No date given…
and on and on and on and on…
I love Pixologics honesty to say NOTHING when they have NOTHING to say.
However… the eternal question remains: ARE WE THERE YET???
LemonNado
The other day, I re-read this thread, and I noticed you saying that a few times. 
I noticed a few other things too.
Nevertheless, word is that there will be more words before the end of this month.
He bought Silo
a matter of fact hes even in the process of buying 30 copies for his 3D Game company
he teach’s private classes and college classes for 3-D modeling.
most other app can do quit a bit more
check maya and xsi
and you will wonder why there prices are quit a bit more
because they can do quit a bit more 
if you haven’t noticed,
some or may i say 1 of zbrush update appears to be old news in the industry
Nobody’s saying that ZBrush is a complete 3D Animation package. They’re saying that those specialist tools it’s famous for, it does better than anyone. There are reasons to have ZBrush in your arsenal, and it’s well worth the price of admission.
shrug
(check maya and xsi’s top users, and
you will wonder why they also use ZBrush
because they can do quite a bit more)
I think it’s missing the point completely to compare Zbrush to anything.
Anyways, dumb comments aside, I’m looking forward to 2.5. The new feaure videos reveal the continuing originality of the direction pixologic is taking.
one of them special tools looks like a re make of one of them silo brushes
and im not the only one saying it.
you got to open up to get admission
some apps are on the market and are up for sale
if you chose to wait then again thats there choice
no loss out of my pocket.
Have you ever used the topology brush? (silo’s tool). It’s quite hit or miss ATM, although they claim that the set of fixes that they’re working on will make it better.
The Zbrush topology builder though looks like a different animal to me. The main difference being that it looks more like a cage that you build that conforms to the surface of the mesh. You can easily tweak the cage since it’s zsphere based. You can’t do that with the strokes that the topology brush makes.
Your point though, that Pixologic may be losing some sales because they don’t have an update, is probably correct. However, it’s still true that Zbrush does a number of things that people want and that no other package does.
Just remember, “It’s all good, unless it sucks.”
You frustrate me.
One of the new features of ZBrush 2.5 is, of course, adapted from Silo’s topology brush. Nobody said it isn’t. Ever.
But, see, ZBrush 2.5 doesn’t exist, any more than Silo 2 does (with it’s own new features which more than one person is saying was derived from ZBrush – Who cares? You can’t use either of 'em!).
I’m not talking about any of that when I say Maya and XSI users are putting ZBrush to good use in their work. Many of the same users are doing great things with Silo. At these prices, it’s rarely either/or.
Mostly what you’re telling me, over and over, is that you don’t understand ZBrush, and don’t know what it’s good for. Anything that it’s uniquely qualified to deliver, you’re not interested in. And, that’s totally cool – you’re one less person I’ll have to worry about competing for the jobs I care about.
(in fact, ANY person who recommends to others that they close their mind to a tool is someone I’ll never have to worry about)
I have no idea what you just said, but I disagree with it out of principle.
ok thank for clearing that up
just curious why pixologic didn’t commented about it with Giving Credit
but like previous post from other memeber there seams to be a Communication Problem
Hey Ctrl-Z … off topic here … I just realized how cool and funny your user name is … pretty cool man. I wish I would have thought of Crtl-Z as a name 
Thanks! You’re actually the first person to comment on it. I couldn’t believe that was still available when I signed up here.
(it’s actually taken on most sites, so if you see Ctrl-Z elsewhere, it’s probably not me. I’m usually APLevitz, 'cause to the best of my knowledge, no one else wants that name.)
Oooh heated debated here…
There’s 1 thing I don’t get from what I’ve read. This guy at Siggraph couldn’t wait for ZB 2.5 to come out so he settled for another app, namely Silo (but not Silo 2)???
I don’t want to upset anyone but, they are totally different, so did the guy actually know what he wanted???
I own both apps & use both apps to there strengths, yes they both have weaknesses, but there isn’t an app out there that does it all perfectly, all apps have strengths & weaknesses, but ZB is also unique…
Pixolator just release this app so we can all go & play…
edonkey…have you watched the videos?
zbs topo ain’t nothing like silo’s. I’d venture to say that silo may have thrown a working version out there first but I’d bet the last five bucks I got in my pocket that pixologic has been working on their version a lot longer.
I don’t think that silo’s topo brush will ever come close to doing what we see in that video…I can’t believe they showed it to us before they were ready to release it because the idea of what you see there is so friggin cool I can’t believe there aren’t a gazillion people trying to program a similar system right now…desperately trying to beat Zbrush to the punch. I reckon tho many will try and none will succeed.
I have silo, I like it but it needs lots and lots of work and in no way could I compare zb and silo…nor would I try. If I could only have one program to model with I would choose zb over silo any day of the week. Aside from being unable to control mapping (which silo doesn’t have either ATM) and being able to add del etc verts edges faces stuff…zb still comes out on top. It has way more possibilities, uses, etc to even compare them. Hell to compare zb to any program is a waste of time. It is it’s own animal and will remain so. It will also remain an important part of any one into 3d’s tool box.
my next version of zb will be free, my next version of silo won’t be…which one do you think will be more feature rich…and STABLE?
I agree with Lemons totally and think all you complainers need to go back and watch the videos again and again until you get it…get what it is coming your way and know that it will be so worth the wait that you will think yourself a fool for complaining.
Guy’s! Why are you even bothering?
This guy’s a troll. He see’s people liking Zbrush a lot and he’s attempting to talk trash, just to stir up the place. Why even argue with him?
I say let him have his Silo 1.4 or whatever and let him be happy with it.
Like Cntrl-Z said, Less competition
~Mike D.
Zbrush is an excellent and original program.
Silo is a clever modeler and, from what I have found in using it, is in many ways what lightwave’s modeler would like to be. I am not great with zspheres, and tend to make simple meshes in silo which has just that bit of rigidness that zbrush’s wonderfully intuitive interface sometimes lacks for me, but this has entirely to do with personal preference.
Some people have a hard time adapting to zbrush, and some would rather die than use a program like lightwave, it all depends on the project you are working on and your own personality. I honestly believe that of all the investments I have made in software over the years Zbrush has been the best. Silo I like very much and I am coming to depend on it more and more, but Zbrush is in a class of its own.