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What tablet should I get?

I’ve looked at the top brands. I’ve done research on each of them. I’ve looked at Intuos, Huion and Cintique.

I’m still not sure why it’s important to have a tablet at all. What’s wrong with my mouse? I don’t understand why it’s better to draw right on the screen and why it’s important to use a pen. My system is worth $8000 and it can do everything but why do designers consider it necessary to add more bulk to their setups? What are the advantages and what tablets do you suggest for the money? I could not find an updated topic on this anywhere.23930974904_2655a7d2df_c.jpg

Tablets are essential to allow for the fine motor coordination of drawing, and for the pressure sensitivity that is essential to careful and detailed sculpting.

Your mouse is a clumsy instrument in comparison, like drawing with a potato.

Since you’ve spent so much on your computer, don’t cheap out on this essential, and relatively inexpensive, input method…

That comparison is preposterous, my mouse is a Logitech mouse thank you very much. I spent a lot of money on it. Potato it is not. But, I see your point. So, which tablet do you suggest? We can’t come all this way and not provide me a suggestion for my epic cg sculpting.

My first honest response to reading your question was that if you don’t already know how having the ability to draw/sculpt directly on your screen would provide a far superior sculpting experience to using a mouse… I suspect you don’t do much drawing.

The quality of your mouse is completely irrelevant (Incidentally I use a $10 mouse and have never felt the need for anything more in one) - no mouse is designed to provide the kind of user interaction that a tablet monitor provides. To suggest otherwise is almost like comparing a hammer to a scalpel - sure, you can break skin with either but one is far better suited to the task, and so it goes with mouse and tablet - at least for most sculpting activities in Zbrush or similar packages, which, given the forum we are in, and some of what you’ve said, I have assumed is your intended task - but it is certainly true that poly modeling in Maya for example would not require a tablet, and perhaps this is true of Zmodeler (I don’t know - I haven’t delved much into that yet). So, consider what you intend to do…

Getting to your actual question:

I’ve worked with Cintiq’s at several studios, I own a Huion GT 220 and have likewise researched all the Wacom competitors (one you did not mention that you should look at is the Ugee-2150 - From what I’ve read it sounds like an improvement over the Huion). The simple is this:

  1. If you believe that getting the best quality product is important and money is no object, get a Wacom. Which size you should go for depends a great deal on personal preference and what kind of work you intend to do, but considering what you have said thus far I’d get the 22inch model, and I’d put it on a good monitor arm as that makes it really easy to move in and out of drawing position according to your needs (the same would go for any other brand).

  2. If saving $1000+ is important or simply attractive to you then I suggest considering either the Huion GT 220 or the Ugee-2150, but be aware that there are caveats, which I will explain below:

Caveat 1 - Tilt and Color:

In all the Cintiq competitor products that I am aware of you are losing tilt sensitivity and getting a monitor with a smaller color range, however, these losses may not matter.

Zbrush for example does not read tilt information from a wacom pen (I think - correct me if I’m wrong somebody), so you don’t have that feature anyway if you are only sculpting. Where you might miss that feature is when painting with tilt-sensitive brushes in Photoshop or Painter, but even many professional full-time 2D artist’s would not miss this feature so I very much doubt that you would.

A Cintiq has a wider color gamut (can show more colors), but this is only essential for color-critical work such as compositing, grading, and anything that is being output as a print format where color fidelity is considered critical, such as magazine page layout, professional photography, and illustration. At most studios I’ve worked at I’ve had two monitors. A normal one for work that is not color critical, and a second one for work that is, or at least for checking work that is, and frankly you may still want to do that even if you have a Cintiq(Before you go crazy thinking you need to spend $2000 on such a monitor be aware that a lot of work, even color work, does not necessarily “need” that kind of monitor. You can often make-do with lesser hardware if you follow this advice: Get the best monitor you can afford (do your research) and CALIBRATE it! Preferably with a good calibration device. I use the i1Display Pro). If you have a calibrated non-Cintiq tablet monitor combined with one that is appropriate for color-critical work on which you can check anything you do elsewhere this will suffice even for most production work, but even the non-cintiq models alone, if calibrated, will be sufficient for most personal work and even professional work, depending on what it is - just be aware of what the color needs of your particular work are before choosing a tablet monitor. I suspect that in your case you wont need the wider color gamut in your tablet monitor.

Caveat 2 - Pen range:

The following note applies to the Huion, but I do not know about the Ugee as they each use different digitizer technology (Ugee uses the UC-Logic digitizer, whereas Huion is a company which broke off from UC-Logic and now develops their own version of that technology, at least this is what I have read elsewhere).

The Huion pen responds very nicely, providing excellent pressure sensitivity and tracking - here’s the caveat - as long as the pen is within about 1cm of the monitor surface. Unfortunately, if the pen exits this 1 cm space, when it is returned to the screen there is a very noticeable period of lag while the monitor finds the pen’s new location. In my experience Cintiq’s are much faster at this process. Please note that this is my experience with the specific tablet monitor that I possess and my computer system, I cannot be certain that the same performance issue is experienced by others. In all the reviews I’ve read I have never heard anyone else mention this issue. This issue was a real dissapointment for me to discover but in time I adapted to it such that I’m generally good at keeping the pen within this distance, know what to expect when I exit it and have been able to use my device productively without thinking about this issue for quite some time.

Caveat 3 - Integration:

Again, here I can only speak to my experience with the Huion option:

Wacom driver’s are much more fluidly integrated into windows (I believe this is true of Mac’s as well, and from what I’ve seen this is true in relation to all the Cintiq competitors). The most persistent aspect of this is how you have to manually switch the “Support Tablet Monitor” setting depending on the software that you are working in. In Zbrush and Mudbox for example, you want this setting turned off, while in Photoshop and Mari you want it on. You can usually change this setting on the fly without restarting your software though.

Other than this issue you will occasionally loose pressure sensitivity for no apparent reason. It doesn’t happen often, but when it does you may need to restart the application you are working in, the tablet monitor driver software or even the computer to resolve the issue.

In short - the driver integration of all the Cintiq competitors is a little more flaky. However, Huion at least has seemed to have done a good job of quickly addressing problems brought up by the community. I personally use it regularly in Photoshop, Mari, Zbrush and Maya, and have successfully used it in… well, all the software I use actually, including Mudbox btw.

Caveat 4 - Hardware Design:

Actually, the Huion is built pretty nicely. The biggest problem you’ll find with it is one that is mentioned in most reviews of it, namely the position of the buttons. They are on the bottom right of the monitor, which means that if you are using it with the stand you have to actually lift the monitor in order to push the buttons. It’s such an obviously stupid design flaw that it boggles the mind that it got through. However, if you put it on a monitor arm that problem goes away. Interestingly, it turns out that Ugee and Huion both get their hardware from the same place so, except for the stands which are unique to each, the monitors look identical, right down to the badly placed buttons.

Conclusion:

For my needs the Huion was a worthwhile purchase that is serving me well, though if I were in the market today I think I’d go for the Ugee. In the future I might buy a Cintiq one day.

Okay it seems like there’s a lot of good information here. Thank you for responding. I intend on sculpting in Zbrush and possibly doing some texture work in photoshop.You mentioned things I hadn’t thought about like color calibration. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t my monitor better for recognizing color than a cintiq? http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-28-Inch-Definition-Monitor-U28D590D/dp/B00IEZGWI2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01

Also, you mentioned the importance of tilt. Is the functionality present with tablets like this?

Some people are saying a smaller Cintiq is simply not worth it. Is this true?

What exactly is the real benefit of using a Cintiq over an Ituos if you have a monitor that is calibrated? I just don’t understand the importance of drawing on the screen. Is it because it’s hard to find my pen when I bring it back to the screen?

I also wanted to ask if I did get a Cintiq, am I essentially buying another computer or is it just a monitor because my computer is probably one of the best personally owned computers in multiple counties of my state. If my monitor is already great for design (which I asked above) I’d basically be spending 2k to draw on the screen since I’d receive all the other benefits by buying a regular intuos and calibrating the monitor I already have.

Thanks for the help so far

At a glance I’d say that yes, that monitor should have better color than most Cintiqs. I just looked at the Cintiq specs again and was reminded that not all Cintiq models have the wider gamut capability that I was describing in my first post. Those wider gamuts began to be introduced with the 24 inch touch version if I recall correctly. As it stands, this wider gamut is available for the 27QHD model (and possibly others), which on paper can display the same number of colors as your monitor (1 billion) covering 97% of the Adobe RGB gamut, but none of the 22 inch models display more than 16.7 million colors and 72% of the Adobe RGB Gamut. This is similar to what you get with the huion and Ugee products. There are other considerations to be aware of as well, such and color uniformity and the display technology type. I think the Cintiq’s use ips displays (I have not confirmed this), as do their competitors, while your current monitor does not, so on paper the Cintiq should be better in this respect but I doubt the difference is significant enough to be a selling point given the specs that your monitor does have. Given that you already have a decent monitor, for your needs (what I know of them) I wouldn’t worry about trying to get the extra gamut in your tablet monitor.

I’m pretty sure that tilt sensitivity is present in all of the professional grade Wacom products like the one you asked about, but double check the specs on their site.

A Cintiq is only a monitor/input device, not a computer. Considering your hesitation you might be better off just getting a regular intuos tablet. However, be aware that for most people a tablet monitor provides a significantly superior drawing/sculpting experience. The main cause of the difference is due to the fact that with a tablet monitor there is a direct correlation between what you see on the screen and what your hand is doing. The best way to understand the difference is to try a regular tablet. It can take some real time to get used to, and most people never become as comfortable and skilled at drawing with a regular tablet as they would with a tablet monitor or simply pencil and paper. This is certainly true for me. Having said that, starting with a regular tablet would be a relatively inexpensive way of learning your options. Perhaps you’ll find that this option is just fine for your needs. You certainly can still produce good work with such a device. If you want to explore this option and save some money then check out these models from Huion, they have excellent reviews and I suspect they’d be more than adequate. To put things in perspective - for years I happily used an old graphire 4 tablet (old lower grade wacom tech) and it worked just fine for most needs. These products are much better than that:

http://huion-tablet.com/product/Graphic-Tablet/64.html
http://huion-tablet.com/product/Graphic-Tablet/21.html

Update: wacom drivers are known to not play well with drivers from their competitors. If at any time you switch to products from a different manufacturer, make sure you thoroughly remove the drivers of your old product first.

thanks again for reply.

Is a Huion tablet monitor’s ability to provide me the experience of drawing onscreen worth the cut in quality and colors I’m receiving with my current monitor? If I bought a smaller Cintiq, would I be better just buying a larger intuos? What are your thoughts on the smaller cintiq

For a tablet monitor I wouldn’t go any smaller than a 22 inch model for a desktop setup. For many years my only personal tablet monitor was a tablet pc (not the tablets that most people think of, but rather a full laptop with a 12.5 inch tablet screen). I used this regularly on the bus traveling to and from work. At first it was great because it was way better than nothing, but over time I became very aware of how inhibiting the shear smallness of the screen was, particularly once the menus etc that are inevitable parts of working with software were accounted for - it slowed me down, and I became frustrated by it (in fairness, the computer itself was no speed-demon either, and I was usually using it while on a crowded bus, but still…). When your on the bus, you don’t really have a choice, but at home - less than 22 is too small in my opinion, though I would also emphasize that a 22 inch model is truly adequate for most people and tasks. It’s also worth noting that the 22inch models are easy to mount on a monitor arm, while the larger Wacom’s require some customization that may be beyond you to mount to a monitor arm… the last I checked anyway there were no monitor arms that could mount a 24 inch Cintiq much less a 27 inch. Of course, despite this I expect that one day I’ll upgrade to one of the larger monitors if only to get some additional screen real-estate for menus and toolbars.

Incidentally, you’ll find that the large Intuos tablets aren’t much cheaper than the Ugee tablet monitor I suggested, which begs one to ask what they are really gaining by using the intuos instead… and what they are losing. Additionally, I have personally found that the larger intuos tablets are uncomfortably large. I prefer the medium sized ones, but that’s very much a matter of personal tast. Some people love the bigger ones.

Regarding the color quality of the Huion tablet monitor: Most of the time a calibrated normal monitor will show your work essentially right so it’s not as though you’ll be painting or texturing in the dark on a regular quality monitor, and your current monitor wont be wasted - at the very least you can and should check your work on that monitor to make sure it looks as intended thus you still benefit from it’s wider color gamut. Plus you’ll find lots of other uses for it (menus, reference, other programs etc). Personally I use three monitors and sometimes wish I had more.

Incidentally, here’s a plug for a great windows plugin to help you manage windows on your monitors: http://www.ivanyu.ca/windock/

I have a personal profile for this that I think is awesome. If you like I could share it with you.

I just thought I should answer the opening question of your last reply more directly:

If you are really serious about doing sculpting, drawing or painting on the computer, a tablet monitor should be regarded as a next-to essential tool, and absolutely worth the cost of not working directly on the monitor with “better” color quality. It is ultimately you - not the machine - which will make great art. Yes, you can make do with a regular tablet, but it will likely cost you time and even quality in your actual work. Which price would you rather pay?

If you just don’t have the money right now, then you simply do what you can, but you should then start saving for a tablet monitor now.

I hadn’t realized the small cintiq were meant to be used portably. It makes sense.

Okay so drawing on the screen should be a priority for me with sculpting over visual quality. My situation then becomes, do I save for a good cintiq or get the Ugee. I’m not someone to sell myself short in terms of buying the best hardware and I’m over eight thousand already into my PC. Could you simplify the real differences between an Ugee and a Cintiq? To me, the Ugee seems a bit cheapy and doesn’t offer great support and doesn’t even have a display port (WTH) or a great resolution. Is the Ugee fast and responsive? It’s not going to glitch out every time I lift my pen out of range and struggle to relocate the position when I bring it back down?

Thank you for the link on organizing my windows.

The small cintiq’s can also be used in a desktop scenario, but yeah - the idea is that you can easily transport it, say take it to the library or coffee shop. There are different versions, including one that is a proper tablet (no additional laptop/desktop required).

Well, I haven’t used a Ugee so I can’t say whether you’ll experience the pen range issue, but based on the reviews I’ve read it sounds as though in general people like it better than the Huion. You should do your own extensive research though.

The Ugee’s resolution is no worse than that of a 22 inch Cintiq (1080p), and though it has no display port it does have both hdmi and dvi, either of which are perfectly adequate. It’s a fallacy to suppose that your losing anything significant from the lack of a display port. The first Cintiq competitors only had a vga output, now THAT was ridiculous!

Provided that there are no weird issues like the pen-range thing, the only feature that you are very clearly losing by not selecting a Cintiq is the pen tilt sensitivity, and as I’ve explained before there’s a very good chance that you wont miss that, especially if you primarily expect to work in ZBrush where that feature has no effect at all… Well you are also missing out on the monitor side buttons, but I have never felt inclined to use those when I had use of a Cintiq and I know many other’s never use them either.

Just remember that yes - there’s a good chance you’ll encounter some finicky behavior from a non-wacom product, but you will likely be able to figure those out and work productively with the item anyway. You are taking a gamble - that’s the price you are paying to save a good chunk of cash in the short-run to tide you over until you can justify the more expensive purchase of a Cintiq. Ultimately, only you can decide whether you can better afford the gamble or the premium product. For myself I think the gamble worked out for me, but it may well be that putting off the purchase, using a regular tablet in the interim (go cheap on this), will be the better route for you. that depends on how quickly you can raise the money for the sure bet of a Cintiq. Anyway - I should stop now before I start going in circles:)

Out of curiosity - what are the specs on your $8000 system?

A tip: get a screen protector for your tablet monitor (I can tell you where to get one that will work for either the Huion or the Ugee)

Two gtx titan x graphics, 1tb ssd, 1500 watt ps, Intel i7 8 core, ASUS rampage v extreme, 24 DDR 3 CORSAIR. These are the main components, not all the accessories.

I’ll certainly use all the information you’ve given me to help me decide on a product. Before recently I never imagined getting one and I never thought of color calibration either so I will be picking one of those devices up as well.

Also, when choosing a tablet, is it important that it supports multi touch?

Cintiq touch is a touch screen. So in addition to being able to control applications with your pen, you can interact with them with your fingers… as long as the application supports that technology. Mudbox does, so you can use your one hand to move and zoom the camera while the other sculpts, theoretically speeding one’s workflow. Before going that route though you should find out what applications actually support that tech. If the one’s you will use do not then there’s no point. You should also look up video’s of people demonstrating it’s use to see if you think it’s something that appeals to you personally. For myself, I suspect that for most of what I do I wouldn’t use it, and where I might I doubt it would add significantly to my workflow, plus it would dirty my screen much more quickly, so it doesn’t appeal to me.

Side note for anyone reading this who is interested in getting a Huion or Ugee tablet monitor: You can buy screen protectors for these 22 inch models from Here:

Check out their film-type comparison sheet: http://www.photodon.com/Screen-Protector-Types.pdf

I got the 6HS film-type and have been quite happy with it. There are anti-glare options as well. An added bonus is that it eliminates the squeeky sound that some people report hearing on these models when using the pen on the glass monitor surface.

You asked earlier: what is the difference between a cintiq and an intuos for painting and sculpting?

In my opinion, if you presently have neither a graphics tablet (intuos and the like) or a tablet display (cintiq and the like), it is far more important, and far less costly, to get a graphics tablet.

Tablet displays are fantastic, but they do have downsides: they are comparitively expensive, and the LCD panel quality, even in the most expensive displays, leaves a lot to be desired.

Once you are experienced using a graphics tablet, then you can think about whether you want to invest in a tablet display (and by that time the tablet displays will hopefully be using better display technology).

Well, you’ve worked with them in the industry and you never used it? You use zbrush with a tablet, do you use your fingers to zoom? How do you zoom in zbrush without that function on a tablet? The Ugee supports it multi touch, do you find yourself using that function?

Also yes, I am considering a display tablet. Between the Ugee and a cintiq narrowed down at this point

I want to add that I’ll be working with other software as well. I suppose I can look up other applications myself so you don’t need to address this. I’m just wondering if you believe it’s really worth it if I ordered a cintiq. It seems like zbrush users have been asking for multi touch for years. For a couple hundred it seems like a good idea if it’s actually worth it.

Also what screen protectors do you suggest

The Ugee does not support multi-touch. Only some Wacom tablet monitors do - none others… though I’ve heard a rumor that Yiynova is planning to release one.

I haven’t worked with any of the multi-touch Cintiqs, only the regular kind. Zooming in Zbrush is the same as usual - keyboard hotkey (cntrl) + right-mouse-button (RMB) while hovering and moving the pen above the screen. You simply map the two side buttons on the pen to the right and middle mouse buttons and then you can execute commands with it in any program the same way you would with a mouse (Tip: I recommend mapping the lower button (also called a side-swtich) on the pen to the RMB, as this is the one you will use most often and it’s easier to reach on the pen).

I’ll keep this thread in mind to configure my pen and tablet when I get them. Are there any other things I should know?