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Soldier Child - Amnesty International

I’m sure if you added all sorts of overcomplicated and unnecessary mechanical details modeled symmetrically and tubes sticking out of his body this would get top row. :wink:

Or a large-breasted female with a space weapon snuggled up against the leg of a scale-covered alien monster. :wink:

I must say I don’t think that the work that I’ve done for this image deserves more to be in top row than all that is there right row, I mean, Cedric Seaut must be one of the best out there, at least in France. The rest of the stuff it’s great also. This is why I don’t care much about not being in the top row, nevertheless…
About two weeks ago I’ve submitted this image in this really well known 3d site, one of my favourite source of information about cg and all the stuff I love.
Yesterday I’ve received a mail that says:

“…The reason that we haven’t done anything with it yet is that we needed to check up to see if anyone would be offended by its inclusion because of the nature of the image…”

So…I’m kind of disappointed about the cg community right now.
I don’t think that this image could be offensive in any way. I think this image sends a loud and clear message. Kids should not be involved in armed conflicts and the international community can’t pretend that this doesn’t exist.

I don’t care if the image is not in top row since we can see lots of great works here, but now that I know some could be offended by this image and that maybe that’s the reason why it can’t be in top row makes me feel kind of disappointed. I wonder if there’s really the place for projects like this.

This image was made to interpellate not to offend anyone. Sorry to those who might feel offended.

I just can say that I’m pretty proud of being able to work with Amnesty International. This was a great project and I’m really glad to be able to get out of my daily job doing publicity to do this kind of work.

thanks again for all the nice comments.

The fact that some people might consider that offensive is offensive to me. Censorship, in your case on that other site, censorship by omission, is annoying and disheartening. I like to have a little soul in my CG cereal every now and again.

Anyhow, Top Row doesn’t matter, as you stated, you have enough people here that love it and would never be offended by such a great image, both technically and conceptually, so keep on posting as there definitely is a place for such projects.

I didn’t intend for my comment to come off so snarky btw. I was aiming for a poke in the ribs at the almighty Top Row. I loves my Pixo :slight_smile: With all that said, I know I’d weep like a small child if one of my images were up there. You have to admit, the exposure is pretty nice.

Wow, i’m quite shocked about this email you got !!
That an image with such a message is ‘kinda cencored’. Meanwhile you see tons of images of characters that are well known for their cruelty, zombies with half eaten faces, etc… Ok, I know, they are fictional!, but still…most of them represent violence in their brute form.
Here we talking about kids that are mostly forced to join a milicia/army. Forced to take a gun and to kill poeple against their will. Sadly, forced to join the poeple that mostly killed and abused their family…

Should we, as kinda artists, not push those sorts of images forward? Art can represent a fictional world , but also the world as it really is!
Our eyes shouldn’t be blindfolded!

Are the zbrushcentral servers maybe situated in China , an african country or somewhere where human rights are not respected? That could explain it?
I know I’m a bit harsh there… but dammit, I don’t want that this forum ends up showing only little cute fairies! :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, at least, the image is meant to open a debate about the problem, which in a way, now, seems to work :slight_smile:

PS rodia: Votre site est down? mecanique-g

Absolutely the first look of the image shocked me. and the second thing comes to my mind is that Kids must not be involved in armed conflicts.
I saw a video about this (that is a commercial type of add in which two guys playing football in Africa) I recognize this guy same like those kids.
So there is clear message about this image about the involving of kids in armed conflicts.

I love the render and it should be in top row…
:+1:small_orange_diamond:+1:

first of all, let me say that you should by no means feel sorry. not even if someone might be offended. those who are offended should in fact be sorry.

This sort of preemptive censorship is the real offense to the point of being deeply unethical.

if I am guessing right about the the you are talking about, then let me tell you you are not the first faced with such hypocritical borders. I’ve heard many complaints about extremely restrictive censorship there.

Pixologic is a bit better in so far as at least in the threads & bottom row there is little censorship at all about the content of the images, if any. that is aso the reason why I had hopes that your post and also another one which was recently discussed about (I linked to it it in a previous post here) could make it into top row despite the slightly more challenging and grown up content.
Sadly I hoped for too much.

there are at least 3 reasons why such cowardliness and censorship is deeply upsetting:

1.) on whichever cg focused website you browse through, you will find countless images of whatever gory violence you can imagine and yet already a nude female nipple can keep your image from being posted on certain sites, not even mentioning anything more controversial.
here at Zbcentral the occasional nudity is fortunately not really a problem, although it needs to be labeled as such.
so even here to a certain degree nudity is considered problematic but blood and gore isn’t. I know that everywhere this is often reasoned by the fact that kids could be watching.
so let me get this straight, we do live in a time and society where we fear or kids could be morally damaged by a nude nipple, but they are free to watch blood and gore? and then we wonder why our kids become increasingly more violent??
what horribly twisted logic and sick moral is that?

2.) particularly in the case of images such as the one in this thread I think the censorship actually hurts the cg community in the public image.
I know there are many artists craving recognition of their work not only here but also in a wider art and culture context. there have been discussion over and over why we hardly see cg art in museums and why cg art is often not been taken more seriously beyond the entertainment industry.
well, there you have it. this kind of attitude where mostly superheros, orks and zombies, big breasted cartoon chicks, monsters, etc… get exposure and a slightly more thought provoking Amnesty International image does not, doesn’t quite make a very mature impression.
I’ve said that countless times before, there is nothing wrong with Zombies and Orks and I do love a well done monster any time, but for all our skae, - there is more to life, in fact, there is much more to life. in any form of art, be that music, writing, fine art, cinema , you will find all aspects of life and humanity covered, only in CG art the content which is mostly exposed in public is still quite limited.
art is and always has been a reflection of life and society. comics, science fiction, fantasy, the whole pop culture are not doubt part of your society, but again - that’s not all about it.
so to anybody briefly browsing through cg art websites who is not knee deep into the cg community it all looks quite limited.

I know quite a few artists which for exactly those reasons shy away from learning CG and getting their license of Zbrush or any other 3d app for that matter, to incorporate it as a tool in their work.

  1. last but not least,it might seem a little far fetched but still I can’t help but being reminded of political systems in other countries and historical periods where anything even remotely controversial is objectionable and unwanted content and as such prohibited and suppressed.
    yes, of course, you are free to post your image anywhere else, so all is fine. Metaphorically speaking though - if websites stand for little states/countries on their own in the huge www space, then such censorship heavy sites do not exactly fall into the category of democratic countries. not at all.

lol , looks like I resumed your points in a few sentences an hour before you posted…:lol:

I totally agree with your views!

ps:
:lol: Dammit poeple, we were all doped on nipples in our first year!!:lol:

This is really incredible work. I agree, this is definitely top row quality. Also agree with Julian_K 100%, well said :+1:

WOW. This is amazing!!! Top row for sure!

Great subject to shine a light on. Great modeling/texturing/etc…