Hi people.
Firstly “Hieronymus Bosch… surrealism at it’s finest” I am sorry but he was NOT a surrealist at all. Please go learn art history and get your facts straight.
No disrespect to any one here but I really have to say a couple of things because they are sticking a bit in my throat.
Whether this guy’s work is good, bad, underdeveloped, imaginative or whatever is really a very subjective aspect.
Most anything you could say would be true to a degree and there is no reason or worth in becoming dogmatic about the artwork he produces.
Critique is always subjective and becoming belligerent is not helpful.
I would have to agree that the artwork is NOT very technically skilled but that is not really that important.
There have been many technically unskilled artists eg Magrit was a lousy technician but had a great amount to say.
My concern with this artwork is the level of thought that has gone into the ideas. He states that the bad guys are the oil and coal companies etc. That is a totally idiotic comment and typical of brainwashed liberals and greenies.
It is a lot like the stupid simplistics in the film AVATAR - another one of those childish modern scifi flicks that are just a western dressed up differently. OK Great technical stuff but that is all. If you want a superhero then why not the local ambulance man that saves people every day. Why do you need a superhero anyway - that in itself is the stuff of children and not grown adults. If earthman in his present form arrived on my doorstep I would shoot the SOB for being a dumb twit and not because he was technically underdeveloped.
So, to not be rude or in anyway ugly towards this guy all I can say is that if you were in my classes you would have to seriously pull up your sox in all areas but that does not mean you can not become a really good artworker.
LOL, this is such an insult to Corey Haim…Are you seriously comparing people’s painting to these half baked 3d models with buildin matcaps floating in front of my monitor?
stop abusing the word “art”… it is your right to praise the artist if you like the works in this thread , but comparing it to other established artists’ works and claim it’s MUCH better is just ridiculous.
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you are kidding, aren’t you? Haim wasn’t even really a painter, but an actor and the paintings he did for a hobby aren’t even remotely similar to Pollock.
and even if Haim’s paintings where similar, what’s the point? how many years are between Haim and Pollock? 50 ? Haim would at best be simply an epigone of Pollock.
jeeez…
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Hey SpiritDreamer, in all honesty, your latest is looking a bit better… (Though I could have sworn it was a head sculpt this morning) The elements are beginning to harmonize a little. Instead of having a copy-pasted intersecting disjunction to them as before.
It is overly dark and your colors are beginning to clip, making it harder to make out… not in a foreboding or expressive way to which the subject matter quite obviously alludes. Yes yes, black oil doom and gloom, it’s understood, making 70% of the pixels solid black doesn’t enforce the message, the viewer is already being hit over the head with the message. The lack of any clarity, in fact, hinders any painting and sculpting you have done.
Having the oil integrated with elements of the skeleton helps it mesh a lot, as opposed to other pieces where it just pops out, intersecting. Neither floating above the background nor integrated with it. I would beseech that more be done in this direction.
I would recommend more work in the atmosphere to horizon. Even in the most turbulent storms, and polluted skies, the earth and heavens meet with more of a gentle gradation, this being due to the environmental haze created by denser air. Overall though, credit where credit is due, this is a step forward from the last iteration.
In other news, a Tori Amos or Christina Agulera snot rag could sell for $3500, celebrity infatuation of the unwashed masses has very little to do with art, only with what the market will bare.:lol:
Pollock, blech.:td:
What makes oil so deadly is how it permeates over everything, so adding so much dark color in the piece makes sense. Oil like death is a very prominent thing. There is no alluding to it. It is what it is.
Also, the subject matter has been a dodgy thing until the recent oil disaster. Now, we are being hit over the head with it quite literally which makes the subject matter in these pieces even more potent.
So far, there is only a few artists on this site that create expressive works of art. SpiritDreamer is one of them. Painters like Pollock and Bacon used to overlay and manipulate their paintings with all kinds of media. I see strong similarities here except the tools are Zbrush and Photoshop. SpiritDreamer is manipulating, experimenting, and using the imagination like any good artist would do.
The subject matter is not eluded, yet alluded to, and concluded by all, perhaps in an elusively delusional convoluted manner by the elusive allusions of the diluted illusionist that ostentatiously illustrated and misconstrued them.:lol:
That was very misconstrued.
Did I mention that I just got an unsolicited personal CG TALK PORTFOLIO network invatation request from Chris Bostjanick …Senior Modeler…LUCASFILM ANIMATION…Just thought I would mention it.
Maybe you people who find my work so bad, and seem to get so much great plearure in trashing my ZBRUSH CENTRAL Sketchbook in this public forum can talk to him about why he thinks my work is good enough to be in his CG TALK PORTFOLIO NETWORK…I’m sure that he would be more than happy to enlighten you…
Here is a link right below this to his CG TALK PORTFOLIO
Drop him a line or two in his guest book about how bad you think my work is…if you have the courage to that is…
My point, which has since been made and re-made ad infinitum by Spirit’s detractors in this thread, is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Now why don’t we all go watch the Twilight Zone instead of picking on this guy. I detest bullies.
ARTISTIC RACISM would be a better way of describing what is and has been happening in my sketchbook right from the start of it, and it’s always by the same small group of small minded people,…who in their own way if given the chance will make this forum a joke rather than a serious learning tool.
*edited to keep this thread cleaner
Hi people.
Firstly “Hieronymus Bosch… surrealism at it’s finest” I am sorry but he was NOT a surrealist at all. Please go learn art history and get your facts straight.
No disrespect to any one here but I really have to say a couple of things because they are sticking a bit in my throat.
Whether this guy’s work is good, bad, underdeveloped, imaginative or whatever is really a very subjective aspect.
Most anything you could say would be true to a degree and there is no reason or worth in becoming dogmatic about the artwork he produces.
Critique is always subjective and becoming belligerent is not helpful.
I would have to agree that the artwork is NOT very technically skilled but that is not really that important.
There have been many technically unskilled artists eg Magrit was a lousy technician but had a great amount to say.
My concern with this artwork is the level of thought that has gone into the ideas. He states that the bad guys are the oil and coal companies etc. That is a totally idiotic comment and typical of brainwashed liberals and greenies.
It is a lot like the stupid simplistics in the film AVATAR - another one of those childish modern scifi flicks that are just a western dressed up differently. OK Great technical stuff but that is all. If you want a superhero then why not the local ambulance man that saves people every day. Why do you need a superhero anyway - that in itself is the stuff of children and not grown adults. If earthman in his present form arrived on my doorstep I would shoot the SOB for being a dumb twit and not because he was technically underdeveloped.
So, to not be rude or in anyway ugly towards this guy all I can say is that if you were in my classes you would have to seriously pull up your sox in all areas but that does not mean you can not become a really good artworker.
I am an Art Educator in England. I have read the thread and am a little worried about the tone that it has taken.
Please recognize that all criticism can be done politely. If you feel that the work is not up to a standard that you expect then say so including specific reasons.
My opinion is that if this person was in my art school classes I would ecourage him to seriously do some technical training so that his ideas could be implemented more efficiently and professionally. In regards to his imaginative capacity I am sorry to say that most of my first year students show a far greater level of intellectualism and depth than this work. His dislike for the oil and coal industry etc is his right but if examined closely the entire world is absolutely dependent on this industry and every person on this planet is a consumer. In fact thiis very computer that I am using has some serious oil and coal content. All plastics are dependent on oil etc. So people we need to do some soul searching and be less easily populist and knee jerk liberalist in our ideas.
In regards to his being invited to CG whatever is like so unimportant. What is important is that this person is not really doing great work and has been trapped by this. It is not the fault of people making comments, it is his responsibility to adjust his world if indeed he puts himself in the firing line.
I still wish him a strong and healthy development but as I said he needs to seriously get some training and then get back to posting. Take your time dude and develop more slowly and thoroughly. Be honest with yourself. Good luck.
PS The notion that the big industries are the evil of the world is totally childish!
Zsoka…You must inhabit a different planet than the one that I inhabit.
I pity your students.
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Sorry that you are so immature as to be incapable of even simple response. With that attitude you would be out of the class so fast your head would spin and just for your information, studenst in my classes are very happy with the challenging education they are getting. I do not think that you really are up to such a challenge.
I suggest that you go smell the roses in the real world and maybe then your efforts as an artist would reflect that maturity gleaned from the aforementioned REAL WORLD.
PS I do inhabit a different planet than you and I am so thankful that I do.
Now please grow up a little.
I have looked through this thread and must agree with zsoka, it seems to have taken a strange and negative progression. I would like to say that I would normally say something postive about peoples work even if I don’t like it. However that would be a lie and I prefer to say what I really think. Your work is crap and trying to add some liberalist anti-capitalist Bulls**t meaning to badly sculpted models which are then copy and pasted onto an awful surealist type background, mixed in with a terrible composition cannot be called art. Now at least you have something to actually respond to that was openly negative rather than responding negatively to people who are giving constructive criticism. That will be all…