The OP said it was a study in anatomy. Never stated it had anything to do with Shaolin/Kungfu. Great, intriguing piece,
The one reason I never post comments or work at Zbrush Central, even though I vist almost daily, is the number of dumb comments on amazing work. Someone says “it looks off balance” or “not a true Kung Fu pose”. Whatever. This is stellar work and most of us should be so blessed with the talent to create it. Fantastic! Keep it up.
Every one has a right to present his own opinion here (since its not offensive and is constructive) this is the purpose of this forum - one think that the piece is great - one that it is not.
It looks fantastic!
I really mean no offense, but this must be one of the most amusing comments I have read here in a long time. How old, widely-traveled and battle-hardened are you that you know all of the Chinese fighting arts that deeply? lol
A real martial arts master (gong-fu literally means energy-time, or something like “extended effort” and includes anything and everything that requires years of dedicated and disciplined practice, so yes, even sculpting can be gong-fu.) will encourage you to make a technique your own to the point where it might not even resemble what you initially learned at all. As soon as the technique of single person becomes the dogma of many, the one the technique originated from has failed as an instructor and the progress of students is doomed to come to a screeching halt and innovation of novel technique becomes impossible. That just to give you a little food for thought.
Also, since we’re all here to help each other, I would suggest you study the concept of the “pose”, as relevant to the fine creative arts. Did it ever cross your mind that the depicted pose could be one in transition, not a final one?
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The skin folds, the pose, everything about this is fluid, I like very much
thank you very much guys, i really apreciatte all comments.
Please don’t fight! haha that’s not why we are here for
This can sound very cliche, but i really believe Kung-fu is everything. It’s a way of life in all aspects.
This pose may not be in all “kung-fu styles”, but it is there in some of them. Including Tai-Chi-Chuan, which is purely Kung-fu.
About the technical aspects our friend “Suder” mentioned, i honestly don’t think they have fundament. But of course, thank you for the comment anyway. I’m sure you meant no harm with that.
So here is a little GIF i did with the sculpting process.
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So true, Mario, so true!
Keep up the great work!
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@highlander - I don’t care what you think.
I commented this because I thought what I thought and I did it not to deny the authors skills or whatever, but just to help make it better (IMO) or to give some real feedback. If you can’t stand that I am not admiring this piece as you are then it is your own problem. Just comment the artwork, not other user comments.
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Really love this piece! so fluid pose! Great anatomy study there
Btw and just my opinion, i´m agree that maybe he´s a little heavy weight to be a kung fu master. I imagine all those guys jumping and flowing fast with a very slim but powered body shape. But this is the very, very last thing you might think when you see such a great artwork. Because he might be a “tanker master” type…
I also like the fact that he has sculped the sexual anatomy. Anybody here has a leaf or a just a bulk there???
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the piece is beyond amazing as a sculpture. - i’m bowing in worshipful awe.
all that said I think Suder raises some potentially valid points. When you have insider knowledge of something like a martial art it can spoil the effect of artistic depictions that don’t reflect that knowledge. I can’t watch sword-fighting in Hollywood movies for just that reason. It looks silly even my to a half-way trained eye. What with the parrying with edges and swinging swords like baseball bats and all.
I knew a great sculptor that would not do horses - not because he wasn’t good enough to do them but because the potential clients (rich horse-people obviously) had so much knowledge of horse anatomy and the variations of the breeds that he would have to get every detail perfect or they would not buy his art. “that’s not a Thoroughbred - that’s an Arabian!”
I don’t know enough kung-fo to make a judgment, but i think something similar is going on here in Suder’s eye.
The question is, does it really matter to the art whether the expert’s eye is satisfied or not?
In this work certainly the many other things that are gotten right (anatomy, design, weight, balance, rhythm) probably trump the questions of kung-fu correctness.
Still i’d like to think such an advanced artist would go, “Wow - huh - maybe i should look into this.” The reply’s about the forms ultimately being transcended are good points - yes, BUT - the forms are there because some past master’s saw the reason for them in the first place. Often these were the result of hard-won lessens learned on real battlefields. Questions about which way to point your toe or knee literally become the difference between life and death.
I’d like to see the next statue made in consultation with a true martial art’s master. Surprising things might happen! I bet the results would be even more amazing and spectacular.
Only great art provokes this sort of debate!
That’s just fine and dandy and I have absolutely no interest in or emotional attachment to what you might think, like etc. That’s totally your deal!
On the flipside, my 25+ years of involvement with many of the martial arts, including Chinese fighting arts, convince me that you don’t really know what you’re talking about or at the very least have only a rudimentary understanding of the subject and that someone should at least point that possibility out to others. You can admire or trash whatever you want as long as you’re not dumbing down other people with some fairly aggressive remarks that suggest you might be an expert. So I challenge you to see my remarks as just the other side of the coin you dropped. “Be water, my friend!”
Another thing I thought I’d point out to others who might be more or less influenced in their perception by movie stereotypes of what a Martial Arts master would/should look like, is that in real life, they rarely look like Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee. They could be any body-type and build. Just take a good look at people like Samo Hung, Mas Oyama, Pavel Tsatsouline, Master Jwing-Ming Yang, Master Shou-Yu Liang, Benny Urquidez, Bill Wallace, or Bas Rutten etc etc.
I’m sorry, and I really mean no offense, but that’s just plain nonsense. The established forms are there to give you an entry point into the technique from which you’re supposed to master them and make them your own with practice and soul-searching. A difference in ie 15 degree toe bend angle or whatever minute detail in posture etc does not determine anything other than an individual characteristic of the user. Just think about how every living thing is unique. No tiger, crane or eagle or person for that matter strikes the same way as another creature of the same species. Everyone is different in some aspect that reflects itself in everything they do/how they express their unique personality. The techniques are merely the doors that are opened to let you get closer and finally become one with the principles behind them and then make them truly your own. Martial Arts are a lot about bringing that uniqueness in yourself out into the open, to make you become all that you and only you alone can truly be. Blindly and dogmatically insisting on minute details leads you into the exact opposite direction, to become a clone/mass product. The previous is a difficult road to take, that’s why so many choose the latter.
Anyways, this has gone off-topic enough already, so I’ll leave it at that.
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@highlander - Please don’t tell me who I might be or who I might not. As I said before - focus on artwork - not on other user comments.
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Sorry to bust your self-centered bubble, but I’m not telling you. I’m effectively telling others! There’s a difference, you know.
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One more thing - I think that his right calf is shorter than his left, and also it is to short compared with thigh - proportions could use a little bit tweaking there.
I also think that the sculpture would benefit if the pose was tweaked as well - if his left knee would point up instead of down - it would make him more kung-fu-ish.
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