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Gnomon vs Kurv

Just recently I took delivery of Kurvs new “Get into ZBrush” DVD, so I thought it would be cool to do a little review of it compared to Gnomons “An introduction to ZBrush”.

Whatever you decide, I would recommend any new user to Zbrush to get one of these DVD’s, I hope you find this useful.

Ok first off Gnomons “An introduction to Zbrush” with Meats Meier. On first load up you’ll need to check you have all the bits to view it, which if you haven’t, you are prompted with appropriate links. When the DVD kicks in you get a sweet spinny “G” logo & some good sub woofer killing bass which makes you feel you have purchased a top quality DVD, which in effect you have. You are then presented with a list of all the lectures & an introduction to the artist.

On the disc you get around 4.5 hours of lecture, teaching you the basics from, interface navigation through to more advanced stuff like texturing in Projection Master etc. However knowing ZBrush quite well myself, many things that are extremely useful are missing. One which springs to mind is the use of stencils for modelling & texturing. Although the presentation is top notch the content lacks a bit & Meats’ teaching style is very random but easy to follow. Also the sound is very erratic, sometimes it’s so low that Mr Meier can’t be heard at all, only to blast back in a second later destroying your speakers & eardrums. The DVD does help you get started in ZBrush, but you can’t help thinking that Gnomon have blatantly omitted some content so that it’s essential for a follow up DVD. This is good buisness, but at $69.00 dollars plus postage you can’t help thinking you’ve been knocked just a little.

So now onto Kurvs “Get into ZBrush” with Glen Southern. On first load up (which isn’t the quickest) You are faced with a HTML page with a list of links to the various tutorials plus a short profile on Mr Southern. Basically the DVD interface is Kurvs very own website, which isn’t the best to navigate & to be honest seems a little cheap. When I clicked on the links to get to the tutorials, Windows gave me a warning about active x & basically refused to play the files, this may be my PC settings, I don’t know, but I don’t have any special settings that I’ve used, as far as I’m aware my PC settings are pretty much standard except for Firefox (hmmm). I explored the DVD & found the tutorial files, which I then opened in Quicktime with no problems whatsoever.

Apart from the interface & general bedroom built look & feel, Kurv has given a mind boggling 9 hours of lectures for half the price of the Gnomon DVD. Glens teaching style is much clearer & thought out too, plus you benefit from following one project from begining to end, unlike Gnomons more random bit & bobs. This DVD still has sound issues though, but not as bad as Gnomons. For half the price you get twice as much content, which covers virtually every aspect of ZBrush. With this title you feel you have got your moneys worth. The only thing that could do with some thought is the user interface, it just doesn’t say professional when you compare it to the likes of Gnomon.

Pros & Cons

Gnomon Pros: Excellent presentation, good quality tutorials, Meats teaching style is a little random but easy to follow.

Gnomon Cons: Doesn’t cover everything, sound is quite poor, price is a little steep.

Kurv Pros: Insane amount of content, Glen is an excellent teacher, the price.

Kurv Cons: The presentation’s a little cheap & I had issues using the links.

Conclusion

Both titles are excellent & give you a good jump start into Zbrush, but Kurv give you much more for much less, albiet slightly rough around the edges compared to Gnomons title.

BUX -

Who cares about rough? It’s all about the training! :slight_smile:

Thanks Buckie… the reviews are much appreciated.

…come sometimes at Zbc :slight_smile:
Pilou

Thanks Buckie, the time you took to put this review together is much appreciated. :+1:

Glad to help out guys…:smiley:

i own the gnomon, zack petroc and Alex Alevarez dvds- both are great.

my kurv “get into zbrush” dvd has been in the mail for a week or two so i hope it shows up soon before im off to vancouver friday. I was expecting it yesterday. I just wanna keep learning more, and get into using zbrush as an illustartion tool, not just for 3d models.No matter how much u think u already know you’ll pick up somthing u didn’t know u could do in zbrush with any of these dvds. -Ken

Very true, I’ve still picked up bits from the Kurv DVD even though I’ve been using ZB for over 18 months. I also own all the Gnomon ZB titles & must say that Kurvs is definately up there in terms of content…

Hope the mailman gets to you soon, I think my DVD took a week to get to me in the UK…:smiley:

I agree i also bought the starting in zbrush from meats meiers and the dvd from alex alverez… but i wish i had only the dvd from Kurv Studios i have not watched it entirerly yet but it seems like it’s both dvds in one…

Also i think this dvd is allot faster. Only thing that is kinda anoying is that IE keeps blocking local .mov :laughing:

Anywho… :smiley:

If anyone needs a tutorial dvd for zbrush, i would recommend kurvstudios over the gnomon dvds :+1:

I read yesterday (I think at CGtalk.com) that GNOMON is lowering its prices. From 39$ and 59$ you can get now the DVDs (if I remember well…)

They have just lowered it to $59, with all these other sites starting up with these great DVD training titles, i kinda knew Gnomon has to do something to keep their customers coming.

I always thought that Gnomon was way too expensive but they were the only people who i know that offered such DVDs for training, besides ALIAS who is charging a rediculous amount of money over $100 on some. I never got anything from them. I rented them at my college, and guess what, the first 10 min into the dvd i returned it and rented something else instead.

Kurv is pushing the limit to compete against the big dog’s and i think they are succeeding. They are trying to get professional artists for their titles and not just anyone off the street.

Now that Kurv is here, i can’t say i will ever go back to Gnomon. The only DVDs i got are the DVDs you mentioned here. Out of all of them i like Zpetroc and Meier.

I also got some 2D Dvds from Ryan Church, and a few Maya, but luckily i was not the 1 buying them. I got them as a gift from my older brothers and sister Last Xmas.

Hopefully they will lower the price even “more” in the future maybe than ill get back…

Right now at Kurv i can get more for less…

Buckie’s reviews are right on the money. I also have both DVD’s and both artist/instructors are very good.

Note to Mac users, the Kurv DVD is easy to play just open the folder and double click the Quicktime files. Although the first set is a bit hard to hear. You will need earphones on a laptop or crank up the volume on a desktop with speakers.

Great news about the lower Gnomon prices. I’ll have to email a buddy about this. He’s been jonesing for the Alvarez DVD. :+1:

Yes i agree the sound is pretty bad that is really a shame, something i notice on many other learning video’s also (*except gnomon) You would have think they could have buy some proper mic’s

I agree about the sound. They are not that great, but i never really listen to the sound on my speakers. I like it on my ear. Gnomon is better with sound, but you also have to concider that its done in a studio with all the equipment available to them. Kurv i belive just has an artist do it in their home with a mic i believe.

They could get a better mic i guess, but as long as i can hear it with the volume cranked up, i don’t cry about it. To me what matters most is the content of the DVD and how good it is, and who actually doing it.

Southern, is just an amazing artist. He has images on almost every CG site you can imagine. He’s well known around the industry, and he also i beleive beta tested Zbrush.

They are both great DVDs, i always liked Alvarez when he was doing the titles for Maya. I liked him most out of everyone because he never stops talking and telling you everything you need to know. Every button he presses he addresses them why he did it.

Other maya artists they paused a lot and had nothing to say, so u just had to watch and fall a sleep. I never doubted his DVDs, except i always thought it was expensive for my taste.

ALex is great, and i am glad he lowered his prices. I think he did a wonderful move with that. I think Kurv and Gnomon is going to be the only place for professional DVD tutorials on 2D or 3D applications.

My problems with the Kurv discs is they never play well in my laptop. At work, the discs refuse to play at all.

Kurv is sending me a replacement disc for the ZBrush - the sound was way too low as mentioned - I had to turn up all of my volume sliders and yes, my brains got blown out when a system beep occured as well.

I had suggested to them a quick compressor pass with their audio using SoundForge or similar - that would resolve all of the audio level problems.

I just got their Silo DVD and unfortunately, while the sound is a bit better, it seems to play even worse than the ZBrush one - I couldn’t even get the links to work on the menu page - I had to go into the disc and play the files individually.

I’m not sure what they’re using to author these discs but they’re certainly not liked by my HP laptop or DELL workstation at work.

DVDs that I author play fine in everything (though I will say as a video editor, I’ve paid good money for my encoders and authoring wares…)

I was watching one video and Quicktime just crashed in the middle - I sorta wish they’d use flash like Avid does with their XSI training discs.

Techno probs aside, the training content is great however.

-Will

This could be some sort of codec problem though I had the exact same thing with Gnomon dvd’s with the beta of QuickTime 7 all my problems where resolved.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

I am also wondering about http://www.digitaltutors.com
if the quality of their video’s are as good as gnomon and kurv :slight_smile:

I believe it’s a codec issue as well (or either the app they use to layout and burn the DVDs)…

I’ll try the codec and see - I’m sorta leery of Quicktime anyway - I was a QT pro user up to v5 and I stopped…

I prefer flash based tuts anyway since they’re playable across a wide variety of platforms (anything with a flash plugin) plus they’re easily resizable (when designed to be so.)

If not flash, then the TechSmith codec from Camtasia. Most companies serious about computer based tuts are using Camtasia anyway.

Macromedia has an interesting program for creating tutorials but since Adobe bought them out, can’t say much about the future of their great software (I’m truly saddened by that takeover… :frowning: )

Thanks for the Quicktime upgrade suggestion - I had already reinstalled it to make sure I had the latest, I guess the beta can’t be any worse.

-Will

I also had the same problem with Gnomon DVDs…for your question on digital tutors.

The quality of their movies are really good. Its crisp and the sound is also great.

Kurv, does have some problem with their dvds to play properly. I was never a fan of QT movies. They crash at times or stop working. I rather have Codec Mpeg movies. Never crash!! at least on my computer…

Thanx for the link, i will try that QT

Dont forget “Digital-Tutors Zbrush Basics”

As for me, I NEVER can have enough tutorials, especially video tuts. Always seems each one, even when explaining the same things, touches on different aspects of use, different ways of explaining things, and various ways of doing the same things. To me, this gives a more rounded (and reinforcing) understanding of the material. Sure it’s a bit more expensive this way, but I look at it like i’ve made a significant investment in the software in the first place, why not spend a bit more to fully realize and unlock it’s ,and your, potential…

Just ordered Kurv’s and note they have a 20% discount across the board right now in honor of siggraph…

I’d like to make a really quick little statement here in regards to the ‘customer service’ of KURV Studios.

Having ordered this DVD myself, I was originally pleased with the promptness of everything. I placed the order, got an email the next day saying that my DVD had shipped and thought cool, should be here soon. I learned from my last experience of using the USPS shipping method to use Priority mail as it generally arrived at my desk within 5 business days no problem.

So here’s the thing… the dvd shipped on the 26th…the equivalent of 2 weeks ago, USPS Priority… yet, there has since been no DVD. Now typically I wouldn’t make a public post like this and would more prefer to take such things up with the company themselves but it seems that nobody wants to respond to emails either :slight_smile:

As to not seem like the ‘black sheep’ here, a fellow workmate of mine ordered his Zbrush DVD back on June 21st and has STILL yet to receive it and is going through the same week long email tag I have been (email on a Monday, get a response on a Friday). This is unacceptable business and horrible customer service in my eyes. We have paid for a product and made sure that we followed up on our end, why can’t KURV do the same?

I’d like to think that this DVD would be a good addition to the library, but my advice to those looking at this is simply to turn the other way and order the Gnomon DVD’s. I have NEVER had a problem dealing with Gnomon, infact I generally get my DVD in about 3 days tops and if there are any problems I typically receive an email within less than an hour offering assistance.

That’s just my $0.02 on all this.

-s

Shawn, I think it is pretty obvious that your just out to smear us at KURV. You post over at CGTalk yesterday (same exact post as well), and I get my first email from you that same day a few hours earlier. Email you as soon as I have a chance to investigate things and let you know we would get another DVD out to you, same day btw.

It’s really professional of you to go to every forum you can to post this… while I do my best to take care of it for you.