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Creating Ornaments , what brushed do you use?

Hi

For few days i am struggling to create ornaments like this:

http://img3.etsystatic.com/006/0/5750098/il_fullxfull.375503771_kv0j.jpg

http://img2.etsystatic.com/000/0/6925637/il_fullxfull.344902878.jpg

But i cant get any good results… in the end it all looks like mud. Could someone give me any tips?

what is your current workflow?
can we see what you were getting?

David Lesperance has postet some mesh insert ornament brushes in his thread but I think he has modeled it in max.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?67348-Some-Zbrush-and-Max-Work/page31&highlight=metalman