thanks for the reply. i finally got the the iris settings and i put them down on 3 and everything else looks a bit better but not that piece. is in the same thing if i have fingers coming out of a palm? to me it looks the same. any way since i cant fix this i decided to add them later as a sub tool. I am not sure if this is good idea but i will give it a try. not sure how will i join them to the body later. And one more question if i am exporting sub tool is there a way to export them all together or i have to find way to do this in max for example? thanks again and good day