It was a lot easier back in the day when the forum only had 50 members as opposed to the 50,000 members we have now. 
I still sort of miss it when we only had 50 members and hardly anyone heard of ZBrush, but Pixologic needs to stay in business. 
I had never taken a rating!
Seems to me too impersonnal, I prefer to some kindly words
And I suppose that moderator(s) see all images and make a first choice and submit to a super moderator before input it on the top row
@ Bicc : I am mortified because I surely used āniceā a lot of times :eek:
Forgive my ignorance :o
But for me nice has absolutly not pejorative meaning :rolleyes:
And in France we have now a new comic with a blockbuster movie
āBrice de Niceā (Nice is also a city of the french Riviera 
And many sounds and meanings
Brice = first name but can be pronounced like āBryceā (as american) or brise (little wind) or a verb ābreakā (broken) (brise in french)
And of cource Nice like Niiiice (the city) and nice like your nicy nice
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Mr. Pilou am sure you meant it in the spirit with which it
was written.
Said āto someā.
Hope you read the reply before it.
Thanked you there, thanked you then, thank you now.
People like yourself have made this site the class act it is.
I owe.
Hopefully will be able ,one day, to pay back.
ā¦Now I am some nervous of what I write
Pilou
Totaly agree!
wowsers, Tartanā¦see what you went and didā¦LOLā¦just kiddingā¦and all kidding aside other than Frenchy Pā¦yall need more zombie movies 
Yeah I agree that sometimes the word āniceā can equate to a way of saying I am indifferent to a piece or posting.
Yeah and the throw away ARTā¦hmmmm so itās not professional ILM or Weta workā¦o wellā¦the pros using the program and posting about it is what gets alot of people sucked in to the zbrush addiction. Free advertising, and the fruits of Pixologicās labor gets realized in the mainstream and Jaime, Ofer and the gang finally get their rich rewards while we continue to get a damned fine productā¦itās all good.
Top row artā¦used to get pissed about that tooā¦yeah even the fatman gets a green streak of jealousy too 
but it keeps the people who have excelled and professionally used the product in the constant light of passing by Potential Customersā¦and the gallery allows them to access all the awe inspiring capabilities of Zbrushā¦(there have been times though when I scratched my head and asked myself why something made the top row, but I shake it off and go about my own business)I leave Top Row dreams for the noobs and for the professionalsā¦
Thank you for also mentioning I have or have tried to help newer members when possible. If I ever get on Paxil, I will help even moreā¦
Back on topic nowā¦the deal with getting a 1 star rating is not enough to make me quit. But like was said earlierā¦1star ratings etc can cause you to pass over a post. That can screw with your viewing numbers if do not have a huge viewing baseā¦ especially if you have had your thumbnail pushed down and out of the gallery. Try working hard on something and the forum gets flooded by a new member or some old member(s) and suddenly something you posted five minutes prior in suddenly and expediciously (sp) pushed down and outā¦Though you have worked hard, put your wip up, your tuts, etcā¦It is enough to tick you off, royally. Everyone wants to be noticed. I know I do, and it doesnt always come in the way of comments but of the viewing numbers. Comments are great. That feedback can let you know what direction to make changes or to further similiar worksā¦An anonymous star is a pisserā¦And the star rating does affectā¦ 1star and 5 stars will give you a 2 starā¦and another positive star will give you 3 starsā¦happened today when all this mess got brought upā¦do the stars matter in the endā¦to some degree I would say yesā¦I create originally for myself, then for my viewer I share ā¦And I am probably pretty sure the 1 star bandit(s) are probably are disgruntled users/members that have nothing better to do that stir a little crap upā¦(I actually had an online stalker beforeā¦woohooā¦o the fame)
Well the point of the whole ramble here for me is that there is nothing redeeming in a one or two star with the verbage used in that anonymous style rating system that benefits the member posting their artā¦and it dang sure does not conform anything close to the 121 format this forum has pretty much always tried to useā¦
Far as what Pixologic and the forum itself in itās coded formā¦hmmmm Definitely not the fifty member high five club anymoreā¦no yall donāt have time to deal with all the penny ante stuff here, but this is also one of your main advertising toolsā¦and I am sure it probably cost a pretty penny to have designed when you underwent our last forum overhaul. Protect that investmentā¦and yes I would rather Ofer be tweaking the goodies in 2.5 rather than trying to recode this forumā¦but if the forum is a licensed thing as you said, Matt, then Pixologic wouldnt be taking time away and since you moderate the forum then you have your finger on the pulse of the forum and know by now what problems could be tweaked and fixed, without taking the programmers for 2.5, time and resourcesā¦
People go to the movies and other forums where zbrush is omnipresent these days.
They covet the works of the cgi masters hard worksā¦
They dream of making those wonderful things they see ā¦hopeā¦
They research etc and find out it was zbrushā¦
We point them toward ZBC to further feed their eye candy feeding frenzy
They are getting the fever though they donāt realize it yet
They are then wanting the programā¦so they are directed by html arrows and members to go to pixologic.com to get that free demo
They come back to the forum and post their first mishapen head and ask questions of the members, which we direct them and answer their questions with smiles.
They want to save their works so badlyā¦the fever is at a boiling pointā¦they stay excitedā¦the work they are posting still gives them hope of working at one of the big boy production houses within a few weeksā¦
The forum gives them good feedbackā¦enough to keep them pushingā¦
Enter stage leftā¦Mr.Knuckleheadā¦probably a nice guy, but just wants some attention albeit good or badā¦and for whatever reason goes to the first noob and starts giving him the 1 and 2 starsā¦the twinkle fades from the noobās workā¦soon after a bit of this ā¦ the noob is goneā¦1. we lose a member of the zbc community 2. we lose someone who wanted to be a part of this group and make kewl zbrush pics. 3. Pixologic loses not only 1 customer, but a snowball customer that was excited, and was telling their peers about this wonderful program and forumā¦so not just 1 dolar was lost but the potential for several dollarsā¦
No matter what level we are at or who or who we dont work forā¦etcā¦we are here for the sake of Creation of art and creativity in general and no one likes to be kicked in the teeth, regardless of how thick your skin isā¦
love the threadā¦said my 2 centsā¦and for those of you that hate my workā¦I would love you to take the time and tell me why you hate it etcā¦
Matt, yaāll do what you gotta do, but at least you are hopefully hearing some of the voices of your members here.
Peace, love, good health and creativity baby,
Itās funny reading this threadā¦I havenāt posted a whole lot never seem to have the time to finish anything but when I do I hope at least someone says something I guess one way or another. Donāt really care if someone says it sucks. I just realized I never even noticed or looked to see if I ever got a star. Not important. Most times I get a few āniceā posts and it passes away quietly into the zmist. I am fine with that tooā¦will never be a van gogh or a rick baker just love my Zbrushā¦gives me away to create which it is the process of creating I enjoy and revel in anyway.
Itās a good point that all newbies ā¦especially should be given a hello at least. I try to but the growth here exceeds my abilities to see them all so I would urge those of you who read this thread to endeavor to do so.
I try to read all threadsā¦sometimes thereās a lag, sometimes I actually have a life, sometimes am just too tired.
I donāt give stars very often and when I do itās because I know or can see how hard that person worked to get their wip to itās conclusion. It doesnāt matter if itās ātop rowā material to me. Iāll give itā¦if I remember we have themā¦5 stars to honor the hard work put into it. Would never post anything less. If I donāt like something or think something is missing or needs work and say so, I always try my best to explain why I think so.
That should be the rule rather than the exception. But as was pointed out, we are all human. We all have feelings and they change quickly, irrationally, under a full moon, cuz ya had a bad day at work etcā¦whatever.
if we all just remember that silly little thing that seems to have gotten lost these last couple of decades calledā¦The Golden Ruleā¦and post accordingly all will be well.
but we are human. there will always be someone willing to throw stones rather than roses.
as artists we have to remember that and as humans we have to remember that when posting to others. Most of all we should all remember The Golden Rule and forgive those who donāt.
Thereās a really simple solution that I assume would take no time at all.
Simply change the description of the star ratings so that they are all positive, e.g.:
1 = Good
2 = Really good
3 = Excellent
etc.
Thatās how I always thought it worked anyway (as you can probably tell, Iāve never rated a thread before).
It would certainly remove the ability for people to be purposely malicious.
It seems the 121 rule has also gone out the window.
Maybe I should listen to what my signature says.
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You might turn them off with greasemonkey
One thing that hasnāt been mentioned here is the fact that there are so many posts of new work/wips, to read them all & reply would mean you would get very little ZBrush stuff done yourself. I generally only checkout images in the top & second row I like these days, there are just to many to check them all outā¦
Itās kinda funny because the star system has never bothered me before & Iāve never really taken any notice of it. But itās obvious that some regard it as being very important to gauging how good there work isā¦
I rarely give stars whether an image is good or bad, I think what you write is more important. Constructive critisism is the best way an artist can improve IMHO. As long as it is constructive & not just plain rude or negative without explanationā¦
I agree with what DarthWayne said regarding picking out positives as well (especially with newbies), but to praise someone & give them false hope is just as bad as giving them negative feedback IMHOā¦
My work has improved a lot from some very harsh crits in the past, but I can honestly say that Iām grateful for those comments in hindsight. As for stars, lose 'em, they mean nothingā¦
Just found this thread and came to the conclusion that the stars mean zero.
David
No, on the contraire. they are excellent conversation pieces as you see :D.
Lemo
Yup Lemo, They make excellent conversation pieces even after all these years I just got hit and I am seeing a lot more hit and run star givers these days on threads like PietraSerenaĀ“s Sketchbook(Nudity) which leaps forth from its now 3 star rating by hitting top row. I am still down on stars :td:
Well stars are illusions anyways, it means that somebody out there gives himself or herself the right of knowledge whatās good and acceptable. Same goes for top row and any kind of competition and recognition. But this was always and always will be an issue with art in general (and not just with art but with all things judged). No way around it Iām afraid (except ādonāt judgeā perhaps :p)
Stars are much more beautiful in the heavens, which is where they belong, and should always stayā¦rather than being down here on Earth where itās just a starry starry game we play.
One persons garbage may be another persons treasure, and visa versaā¦relatively speakingā¦
Lose the ego, lose the starsā¦Art is about Spirit, and the force of nature that brings it into playā¦
The people who painted the bison and other animals on those cave walls many years agoā¦didnāt need stars to know if they were doing it right or wrongā¦they just knew that they needed to do what they were doingā¦and they went about doing itā¦ Art as something Sacred embodying Spirit has been lost along the wayā¦Itās been replaced by a Souless false star that shines during the day, while leading the world astrayā¦ ā¦
Starry Starry Nightā¦
Really beutifully said Spirit
Yes! beautiful comment Spirit
If a person rates a thread, they should at least state why.
The one-star SNOIDS are abusing the only tiny bit of power they have at at their disposal.
wow trolling and necro posting, what a great combo ;D