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•••A Sneak-Preview of the next ZBrush-Update•••

I think its fair to say, this is growing to be one of the most anticipated releases ever in the 3d software realm. At least it is for me. I fear there may actually be quite a bottleneck downloading it when its released.

Has there been any thoughts to taking a “Valve-esque” approach, and making the content availiable in advance of the official release, so everyone can get it downloaded, then issuing “keys” to unlock it on the official release?

Yes, Im serious, I think its THAT anticipated, and we might all be a little frustrated when the mad rush tanks Pixologics/Element 5’s bandwidth for the first few days its availiable.

Please no, don’t encourage people to go down the steam route. In my opinion it is the most vile concept ever in the history of software development :slight_smile:
Sav

All I can say is that I am really looking forward to the update. I have been using Zb for some time now, and I have to admit, I still get giddy whenever a new update is announced. It’s like downloading ZB for the first time.

No, not Steam, neccesitating a another seperate application running and requiring online connectivity…thats obviously impractical for a commercial application. Just some sort of advance content availiable for download, requiring the complete package or some sort of release day key to unlock. So I dont have to compete with all the people trying to download the application over 56 k modems the first week its out, and I want to do some zsphere rigging.

Oh, and by the way…the people that do the most complaining about steam, are usually the people with the most pirated software, games, and music on their machines. Its clearly the way of the future, and you cant blame companies for trying to protect the content they slave away over. Blame all the people you know using cracked versions of max, and playing pirated games. We reap what we sow. People’s sense of entitlement in the digital realm is grossly out of control, rationalising ludicrous behavior that would be roundly condemened in any other market in the outside world.

My steam account is by FAR the best game-purchase decision Ive ever made, giving me all sorts of additional content value, running flawlessly, and keeping me updated effortlessly. But thats not what Im proposing for Pixologic…just disagreeing with your “most vile something ever” remark.

To say I am blown away by these new features would be the understatement of the century, so I am not going to say it. This is modeling/rigging as it should have always been. The traditional techniques of point by point, or poly by poly modeling is an antiquity now. Of course, we have all thought that since the original incarnation of ZBrush, where modeling was like working with clay. With each new advance, my other modeling apps look less and less appealing. I think the only things (in the scope of my imagination) that beats this method of modeling and animation are motion capture and that thing where they scan a 3d object and it creates a mesh (what’s that called???). And of course, these things are financially out of reach for 99.9% of us, so this is the advancement of a lifetime. Thank you so much, Pixologic, for the hard work and innovation you have brought to artists and hobbyists.

Still the best money I ever spent…

Slosh

Amen to that.
BTW, nice to see you slosh buddy.
Glad to know you still pop by.;):+1:

Under many circumstances poly modeling for me is still very important. Being able to repose a poly model with an underlying z-sphere body will do wonders for anyone that likes building topology the old school way.

The way Z-brush does poly modeling is exceptional.

I say, that is slander I own every licence on my machine :slight_smile: I think you are dead wrong, the people who are pirating HL2 have simply downloaded a crack which enables them to play the game without steam, and what’s more if you could be bothered to research it, I bet it would transpire that crack was avaible within the first week or two of HL’s release. The people who actually paid money for it like myself are therefore the ones being penalized, but even worse, some are reporting their accounts have been nicked. If for any reason you change your email address…you apparently have to buy the game again!! steam takes up extra unneccessary memory. Whenever I start up my PC I get some steam error or other, even though I have no intention of playing any valve game on that particular session, its a little something else I have to deal with…it is a truly terrible idea, this kind of thing has not and will not stop pirates and all it does is assume the majority honest folk are to be treated with the same contempt as the minority pirates - and I for one only hook up the broadband when I need to be online, that choice would be taken away. As you can tell I am not happy about this development. :slight_smile:

I agree with everyone.

Steam is a horrible inconvenience. It’s growing more stable over time, but I’ve spoke to people (whom I can confirm did purchase Half-Life 2) who had delays of 45 minute or higher trying to log into the authorization server that first week. For a casual game, that’s simply unacceptable.

That said, yes. The industry is heading inexorably in that direction, because piracy has forced it to. Consumers as a whole deserve what they get.

But, let’s put that in context.

We live in a world where the only people who seem to place any value on the efforts of independant programmers are spyware companies. Think about that for a moment. If more than a few people registered their shareware, we wouldn’t have needed invasive reminders, and if those weren’t so quickly disabled, we wouldn’t have moved on to limiting features. As each new step is circumvented, an adversarial relationship is built up, until eventually, the thought of inflicting spyware on your users is not so repugnant as letting them get away with this. If the pirates weren’t so aggressive, no developer would ever have agreed to distribute spyware with their applications. But now it’s everywhere, and that too is where things are heading, for much the same reason.

There is justice in this, on a macro level. Individually, most of us have done nothing to justify that punishment, but as a group, we deserve the worst we can do to each other. When the bombs drop and there’s nothing left of humanity, we’ll have earned that as well.

That doesn’t mean these are good things, is all I’m sayin’. They’re awful. Maybe they can’t be avoided, but for god’s sake, let’s not encourage 'em.

Apologies for carrying this on in an innappropriate place, but in a way it is a very appropriate place because actually, Pixologic’s activation method is about as perfect as this kind of system could reasonably be. The only inconvenience here is that you have to use a temporary key for a few days and that it will only run on your specified systems - no problem. Also, the reason why we’ll see more steams is because everyone will just accept thats the way its going.
Anyway, I quoted the above statement because although I agree with the context you put it in, I think the absolute opposite has always been true. Honest consumers are always, but always ripped off. Lets look at the music industry, for years consumers have been charged grossly higher prices than was reasonable, the industry, not the artists, has made countless billions from it, and yet as soon as a mass of people decide enough is enough and start acting illegally it reacts, not with a review based on consumer feedback, but with strong arm bully boy tactics. I was a pro musician myself for years so although I would never pirate music or anything else, I did end up thinking, ‘well, that’s not surprising’. The most sensible thing I ever saw was the birth of iTunes, initially strongly resisted by the music industry, but now due its huge success, seemingly embraced.
Consumers are just fodder for money makers, that’s the way they have always been treated (with the almost unbelievable exception of companies like Pixologic) and I strongly resent the fact that whenever I go into a store to spend my money I’m treated with a subtle but very noticeable contempt - perhaps this is not true anywhere else but it certainly is in the UK. No, consumers do not under any circumstances deserve to be treated like this - to part with their hard earned money for something like HL2 only to find the kind of unnacceptable disabilities you mentioned is not acceptable to me. I don’t care how amazing the next title will be, the hassle of waiting for steam and then waiting 30 minutes for the game to start up is something I just can’t be arsed to live with. Well done Valve et all, you just lost a customer, hopefully you’ll lose a lot more as long as you have that kind of attitude toward the people that keep you employed :slight_smile: Rant over.
Apologies again, I’ll try and remove my grumpy old man head now hehe.
Sav

Mockingly

“Take it outside gentleman…”

:smiley: :wink: :+1:

hehe, sorry, I shall desist.
Sav

I probably don’t really want to know the answer, now do I? Looking at the “steam” the subject raises under many collars, I think I am better off not knowing.

It seems zb2 actually has problems to orient correctly UVs tiles upcoming from zspheres, generating failures on tengeant normalmaps creation…
I hope it will be fixed, so zspheres could also be an usefull tool for realtime…

My post about this problem :

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?p=189180#post189180

Hey Pixolator,
any hint on when the update is coming?

I’m waiting, too - for this great new features!!!

Everey day I’m looking at this site to view new Infos.
Please give us a hint :slight_smile:

the new features sound cool

but remember that zbrush is used not only as a moddeling tool that can enhance the CGI artists workflow, but also that it’s used for a standalone product as well, where CGI art can be created all in 1 program, so maybe for some other version of zbrush, 2.5d updates as well would be nice,

i think theres to much focus on importing and export to other programs, but then again, for animation, its a must

oh well, just my thoughts on the subject

Are there any more sneak previews coming soon?

I concur with this. ZB is more and more my final solution for still 3d art…while I want to see the great new scultping, and zsphere tools as much as anyone, I also hope it doesnt come at the expense of continuing to improve image and 2.5 functionality.

Any updates on the new release.