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3D Prints Cheap+Good (Free Print Game is ON P.3!)

desmoda- I think you misunderstood my post :). Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I’m new to this forum and rarely go on forums in general (currently this is the only site I’m even posting on because I’m so busy with stuff). I didn’t realize how old this thread was, I just saw “Ooow they do 3D printing!” and I posted.

I’m not asking anyone here to help me with traditional mold making a traditional piece, this is a site for digital art and that’s what I’m getting into…I was simply sharing my work to prove I know how to sculpt & duplicate traditionally since I don’t have anything like that done digitally yet. And yes I am already aware about why air bubbles happen, lol. I worked in special FX briefly, and we used those machines all the time for our molding and casting process. I cannot afford $500.00 for a pressure pot (well I can probably save up now that my computer is bought). The reason I brought up traditional mold making and casting, is I’m hoping to be able to reproduce some digital prints once I have digital work done. And reproduce them with traditional casting methods since it’s probably more simple/cheap. So; Sculpt something in Z-brush, pay you guys for one print, reproduce/paint them on my own. I sometimes sell artwork at Renaissance fair, and I sell these fantasy pendants I make in clay and then cast in resin…but I sometimes sell larger pieces than the pendants, or figures, and I know I could do so many new designs faster digitally. For example; If I was to (in z-brush) sculpt a flat backed dragon head wall hanging piece that’s only about 6 inches, then get it 3D printed…I could take that 3D print made in plastic or whatever printed material, and make a silicone mold, and make my own duplicates in resin…assuming that’s cheaper for me to do, just make ten on my own instead of paying to have ten 3D printed and shipped. If I’m conveying that clearly? This is just all stuff I do on the side because I don’t make very much money at the studio I work at currently.

BUT, I also want to have personal projects printed…so I can have my own characters stood up on my desk. I’m used to having a figure I can hold being a traditional artist, so I’ll definitely want to end up printing my digital 3D work. I hope I’m articulating myself more clearly now :S.

Knowing you guys now do all different scales…can you link me to a price guide if you have one? I will definitely be wanting to get some original characters and creatures printed out if I can afford it, but may not be able to if it’s around $200.00 just for one little figure to put on my desk. In that case I would at least really need to pick and choose. Z-brush is definitely a heck of a lot faster than traditional sculpting. I’m trying to get away from traditional sculpting for the most part since I need digital for my career, and in some ways it’s just more fun and free I’m finding.

To answer your question about my paints (were you having a go at me having vitamins on my art table? What’s up with that? lol). I do not keep food items on my art table WHILE working :P. I don’t run my own shop, I work at a video game studio full time and sell artwork on the side now and then. I don’t have a big professional thing going like you guys, and don’t intend to unless I decide to become freelance and leave studio work one day. It’s just me in my room, at my art table, doing art, on my own. I am also self taught at just about everything I do. I cast in polyurethane resin, and after all the post casting work I spray them with a primer made for plastic. After that I do all my painting with acrylics (just regular ones you can get cheap at craft stores). Then when the paint job is done, I apply flat and gloss (for eyes etc.) varnish to help seal the paint job. I really do need to break down and buy and airbrush, lol. I know how to use one but don’t own one. I have a handful of figures on my computer desk I made and have painted this way, and none of them have chipped…even being jostled around, so I must be doing something right. I have had nothing but praise from custoimers too about my paint work. Unfortunately the werewolf photo i attached is crappy and blurry and does not do them justice. If you can recommend a paint that’s better suited for plastic/resin,or even a specific airbrush to buy, I’m all ears! I have stuck with acrylics because it’s what I’ve known, and when I’ve tried to find out what others use I can’t seem to dig out any clear info. I learned what I could at the special FX shop I was in years ago, but being a Christian girl surrounded by disgruntled (pissed they had to learn digital or become extinct, lol), middle aged death metal heads…my learning process was stunted, lol. You know…I like Rob Zombie and Ramstein! But I don’t think they believed me since I didn’t look and act like them, lol :P. I think I made them uncomfortable and sculpting werewolves wasn’t dark enough, LOL. I guess what I’m trying to say, is there are holes in my knowledge on how to make things traditionally in the most professional manner possible.

This is an original little creature I’m currently working on in z-brush…I am NEW to z-brush though, so I realize it has a lot of flaws, and it still has more work I need to do. I’m doing semi cartoony stuff until I’m more at home in Z-brush, then will do some more detailed or realistic pieces. When he’s done I’d love to have him printed at about 6 inches tall (it doesn’t have to be an exact 6 inches…just around that), but would prefer to paint him on my own. I’ll probably do a few figures first and get better before I pay for any prints though (it depends on how expensive it all is). Do you guys print in unpainted plastic? I’m still not sure if you answered me on that…sorry! I apologize if you have an obvious link posted somewhere to your shop…but I figure it’s better just to ask in case any links or info is outdated by now.

Haha… its just my weird way of showing I like you~ Just bonding stuff. Not enough of us hands-on people on the forum so its kinda warm fuzzy to see the human element on here once in awhile. I got like alcohol and cereal boxes all over my table. And its a mess. Your work is fabulous! I’m not good with acrylics and trying to pick up some pointers from you. I’ve tried! I just broke down and went the lacquer route. Haha.

But yah, hrmmmmm… if ur having problems with airbubbles still, and can’t buy a pressure pot right now cause you’re not doing enough volume. Then you should first brush the mould with liquid resin carefully and try to get all the little bubbles out and get all the resin into the nooks and crannies. then tie the 2 halves together and pour the rest of the resin after u got a good initial layer down. This might help with airbubbles but is more time consuming when compared to pour and pull [figures out].

So yah, maybe mix the resin very very carefully so that no additional air bubbles are introduced… then do a first brush layer to get the skin down. Then pour the inside before the skin has set and ur pretty confident that u got all the bubbles out. The downside is the parting line might be more more noticeable, but you’ll have less waves/distortion on the piece due to resin shrinkage since the outside is partially cured?

Edit: Hrm yeah… 3d printing is expensive. If you want a tiny figure… lets say the caterpillar guy… at 3-4 inches tall. Shapeways you can do that in WSF for like less than $35. If you did it in frosted detail, then it would be less than $75-100 I think. If we did it… 3-4 inches tall… would be roughly $100 I feel like. One-off, if detail is not a big thing, then WSF on shapeways is probably the best bet. What you do is you get it done cheap… like $10-20 on shapeways on WSF… then cast that initial print to resin… then sand the resin and cast again. Then u can get a perfectly smooth piece. If you want a direct high res print, then you’d have to move towards the direction of Nick’s post. Those @home printers for $2500-5000. Both the Formlabs printer and the B9Creator look promising. As for when those printers will reach the detail level of existing printers? Hrmm… 5-10 years maybe. Its both a mechanical issue and material issue. Formlabs is using bluray diodes. But the cheaper laser setups have larger diameter spot sizes due to a combination of laser wavelength and optics. On the B9 side, some parts shaking due to the separation method and lightbleed due to combination of consumer projector (lack of wobulation). For those things to become consumer grade? Hrmm… 5-10 years? Or now… if u have the money and time to spend on modifying the vanilla packages. It’s not simple! Some people can pull it off though but is it worth it to get away from the packaged commercial systems? Dunno! The reason would only be to save on consumables in the long run. Still… if you factor in time and money… its probably only 5% of your actual costs when time and labor is taken into account if you could knock off 50-70% on material fees. It’s hard to separate the whole for fun and for work part of the “is it worth it” monetary side of 3d printing. Otherwise, you could go with the ZCorp ful color printing and the LOM paper cutting and gluing method from MCOR… I’ve been wondering if we should introduce a cheaper… one-off service for mockups using one of these tech. But its definitely exciting to see all the stuff going on (both the pro and consumer)! :+1:

feel free to email at [email protected] if you have more detailed questions or personal stuff that you want to get more detailed feedback on

Absolutely! Yeah I have been doing mold making and casting from my own figures I sculpt traditionally for the past few years. I’m 30 but still living at home, and had a huge span of time between studio jobs where I had to bring in some money, but couldn’t bring myself to getting a retail job after working in FX! It was VERY hard doing all of the steps on my own…mold making and casting is such messy and toxic work, and takes so much time away from the actual creating process of sculpting a figure. I would have SO many more pieces actually sculpted/created if I didn’t spend so much blood, sweat and tears in reproducing my stuff. The main thing I ended up making were small pendants with flat backs. I would sculpt them traditionally and then do the whole silicone molding, and resin casting, then paint them, and cord them…and I sell them for around $30.00. So the finished piece would be a finished, paint washed, light weight resin piece. It would definitely be great to quickly make something in z-brush…and have all the reproduction work out of my hands. I’ll definitely be looking into this for both pendants and my figures. I prefer doing figures, but the pendants are easier to make and sell, or have been any way! For now I mainly just want some personal artwork/characters printed out when I get some done :). This digital stuff is all pretty new to me, but vital as I need it for my career to progress in the game studio I’m at, and beyond.

Okay cool, lol…thanks for being friendly XD!! I’ve had a rather bad weekend so I’m kinda in a defensive mode, lol. Yeah I am 100% a hands on artist trying to learn all this digital stuff…I love it, but it’s definitely a different planet! I’ve been getting sooo excited sculpting my stupid little Caterpillar red panda though in z-brush!! I’ll get all “YAAAAAAAAAAY SYMMETRY MAKES IT ALL GO SO FAST!!!”…then hit a brick wall not knowing how to do one thing or another since I’m a newbie and get all angry/sad, lol. I can tell z-brush is going to end up being my main art tool, but I’ve hit a memory snag (even though I’m on a beefy computer!)…so I now need to stop all the fun sculpting and hit tutorials again :cry:! His name is Crumpet Crawler btw…lol. He’s a sidekick to a British character in a original project I’m working on (a British character based on my significant other in England…his fave animal is the red panda! there’s a handful of characters in my project who I’m basing off friends and family). But anyways, lol…

Thank you for the casting tips! I actually already do that though, everything you just suggested. I have been mold making and casting for about 4 or 5 years. Another thing I do (it works worse NOT doing this)…is I dust each mold with baby powder before pouring. With my werewolf pieces, there’s so much detail in the fur, I dust with baby power, half fill each piece of the block mold (and poke the resin in with a brush or toothpick to places like where the fang tips and fingernails are) …I let that set up, then rubber band and brace each piece together, and pour the rest in. And yep! This makes the seam much more thick sometimes, but once in a while I get lucky if I’m super careful and get a clean seamline. The main problems are because I don’t have anything to compress the air out of the silicone OR resin before pouring…so I get air bubbles from the mold (so these create the same issues every time I cast sicne they are part of the mold), which are little beads on the piece that have to be scraped…AND, air in the resin, which results in small holes that need to be patched. As far as I know, without a pressure pot I’m doing all I can. I have asked someone I’ve remained friends with from the FX place, and other artists, and done online research for it for years now. I know to thoroughly (and not too quickly ) stir the materials before pouring…and pour in a thin even stream…but there’s just no avoiding it. I also don’t own a scale or really know how to use one (numbers…AHHHHH!!!) …so I use material that does not require one. I may eventually break down and take the time to learn, but I really hate mold making and casting, so if I can afford just to have someone else do it, I may go with that from now on! :smiley: lol I am thankful I took the time to learn it…because it’s a nice thing to be able to do after spending hours sculpting something (to in a sense immortalize it and cast it in a sturdy material! and share with friends and sell sometimes!)…but I definitely view it as a messy and expensive chore. Now that I have a fairly steady job with a paycheck, I don’t need to do it as much though, so it’s not so bad.

That’s funny about your art table! Mine is sort of the same…but I hate it when I start to feel like I’m living in a pantry, so if it becomes a pile I’ll twitch and then clean it, lol. It always LOOKS messy though, because it’s covered in resin, and paint, and different glues…and it becomes sort of an everything pile throughout the week. So I’ll have everything from exercise DVDs, videogames, capri suns, vitamins, Hot Wheels toys, paint cups/brushes, plates with clay pieces everywhere…it’s a chaos pile, lol. It gets REAL messy whenever I’m doing resin work, and sometimes I’ll be alternating between resin work, sculpting, and painting…so it turns into a project/supply pile. Digital is so clean…lol.

Would it be possible to get Crumpet Crawler printed out unpainted…at any size? What would be the cost? I’m sorry, I’m not sure if I’m supposed to ask you that or not…I just bumbled onto this forum without knowing jack! XD Thanks for the kind reply.

And I JUUUUUST saw your e-mail link! Thanks! I’ll probably e-mail you over the week, I appreciate it :).

Skyrim Dovahkiin (1:6 scale) :small_orange_diamond: Gamingheads :small_orange_diamond: 3D art by Alex Pereira

Did this one last year… but I think it just went pre-order. Haha been wanting to post this one. Can scratch that itch now. :+1:





Des that looks amazing!!!

Hehe, thanks man! Yah I think the original approved 3d was rendered using Fiber Mesh. So I couldn’t really print it. Ended up using real rabbits fur for the skirt. And synthetic fur for the arms. Real fur is really hard to work with because its darker at the roots and white/lighter at the tips. So you can’t really cut it. So you gotta really look through your pelts and find the exact length of hair that you need with the exact right pattern and with exactly the right grain. And then tailor around it to get it all going the right direction. Pain! The way the LED’s work is that its powered through the base. And there are metal connectors between base and foot, foot and body, body and arm socket. to allow for switch out with the non-LED arm. But yah… it was a fun project to work on cause at the time, Skyrim was really big. So I’d have the game blasting the Dovahkiin music to get me in the mood. Funny thing is that the original concept art/renders that I based the coloring/photography on was done by Steve Jubinville. So when I was talking to him about it… was a total derp what a small world, “im talking to the creator” type of moment. :laughing:

Okay, hope you dont mind, will post one of yours

Nazuwraith minibust (3 inch) :small_orange_diamond: David Richardson :small_orange_diamond: InspiredPogi.com

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I really like the detailing and character in this piece

Skyrim came out awesome. Lovin the hair

Thanks Des!! I am very pleased with the results! Definitely want to do another personal one soon!

Thanks for explaining the painting process, it gives a good insight. I have to hand it to you for your dedication and enthusiasm.

youre kidding me right? couple thousand for a 9" print? get a cube and you can do a 5 inch print at about 10 bucks.

Welcome to the world of 3D printing. The cube is a low end low cost printer. For some stuff that may work out great. For other things the quality and detail is just too low.

Arguably we only charge like $300-600 for a 9 inch print -_-" Lol… where did the couple thousand thing come from. :laughing:

Hmm… some 9 inch diorama bases can get up to $1000+ tho. Pricing for non miniatures is based only on visible surface area of the model~

Thanks MentalFrog btw!

Hmm… Haven’t posted in awhile~

Here are some fun ones and top rows for various friends and awesome producers that are public… will update with some painted stuff soon!




Just wanted to take the time to say that Desmoda is a stand up guy, always a pleasure to work with him. He has printed all my models (5 and counting) at a reasonable price and with outstanding quality. I’ve looked, and trust me, I’ve looked really hard… for an affordable 3d printing company for my kits and none can come close to Ownage. Their output quality and price just can’t be matched.

Thx Dom for giving us the opportunity to work on your sculpts! Only hope we can get better/cheaper/faster as we smooth out the process and benefit from all the cool tech coming out :smiley:

Hope everyone who’s going to comicon this week has a blast!

As for shameless Comicon plug for one of our indie friends~ if you guys get the chance… check out Chris Sanders’ Nimue The Mermaid Girl, sculpted by Anders Ehrenborg. Helped with the print, paint, and producing the collectors pieces for this amazing team. Even today, I do check each shipping piece to make sure they meet the expectations of discerning artists. But yah, Ander’s Sculpt and Chris’s Design speaks for itself :+1: Thanks also to Jessica Steele for coordinating and getting Nimue out. Check them out at SDCC (booth #5534)!

Here’s a not fully assembled preview I took back in the development stages. More pics on Chris’ blog above

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Not dead. Stayin Alive! X-D

With all the questions by email lately, just posting some recent works so that people know we’re not 100% antisocial :laughing:

Some recent works, one-off paints, awards, prizes, freebies~

Jason Mark’s Wolverine from above :small_orange_diamond: 1:4 Scale :small_orange_diamond: Diecast metal claws and parts

CG Student Art Awards :small_orange_diamond: Grand Prize Statue :small_orange_diamond: Sculpted by the very talented Maximillian Gordon Vogt


Congradulations to the winners! Vancouver Film School, Pramod LJ, Victor Gaza, Karen Stanley and Cindy Jang!


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cont’d

Dragonball Fan Art Facebook Contest winner :small_orange_diamond: Majin Buu Diorama (1:8 scale) :small_orange_diamond: Sculpted by Leslie van der Broeck (this contest reached 5000 members! Contest Godfather was CGArtist Rodrigue Pralier. Thanks to the judges as well!


Artist Mikkel Frandsen :small_orange_diamond: Alien Bust (1:6 scale kit… sold out!) X-D

Modern Life Studios :small_orange_diamond: Henry Cavill MoS (1:6th scale Hot Toys compatible headsculpt)

Rafael Grassetti :small_orange_diamond: Dragonfly Bust (1:6 scale)

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Indie artists always killin it! :+1:

Chrononaut (1:8 scale) kit :small_orange_diamond: sculpted by CGArtist Rishi Nandlaskar :small_orange_diamond: sold by Industrial Mechanicka

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Lastly… a shout out to my good pal Brian from Alliance Model Works who somehow builds these 1:350 1:700 scale tiny ass model ships and vehicles using the 3d prints, metal photo etch parts, tweezers, and godlike patience :laughing:

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