this is a good community but the thing is the response in each other is very low:):):)some people dosen’t make comments at all …why ,i love the tool but really feel sad about the community
am i correct thanx 
yeah honestly i think a few people here are shallow. it seems like you have to become someones freind or kiss ass before you start getting any good crit. and you have to be one of the moderators freinds to have some top row stuff. its like you have to be a total zbrush vet before you start getting real recognition. the saying " its not what you know, but who you know." extends even to the realm of 3d (especially zbrush.com). really man ive seen some freakin awsome stuff that just gets whizzed by like another wip, to be forgotten in the freakishly huge forum that we know of as zbrushcentral.
seriously guys. zbrush.com is a tough crowd. but thats what motivates me to become a better artist.
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Sadly a lot of people are just too busy to post a lot on forums, and will only post on stuff they either really like, is being made by their friends, or that they think they can really help out on.
Well I’d not post anything I had made on this site because 3D is meant to be seen in 3D. If I was interested in 2D images then I’d work in Photostop instead.
and I find it annoying to see other people’s work criticised, not just mine. I know what the flaws of my work are. I don’t need others to tell me. If my work has flaws it’s because I wasn’t trying to achieve perfection. k? 
Another problem is that we’re all a little spoilt and it becomes harder to be impressed as time goes on.
You have to realize that ZBrushcentral exploded, and the familiar athmosphere got totally lost (note i was lurking on ZBC for quite a long time before joined thus my join date is misleading). The amount of new images per hour did inflate that much that its almost pontless for helpful people to comment them because 5 minutes later there is the next newbie image. These people now only comment on stuff that really touches them instead of giving a helping hand to newbies.
So in summary, i think its the success of Zbrush that makes the forum appear unfriendly. The relation of newbies (many) and experienced artists (few) is the problem. Dont think people are unfriendly, its really just that relation imho.
Its a big world and you take what you need and give what you want.
I do not have time to crit people - if something really gets my attention then I will say something but crits on here are usually lame and I fail to see how one can really benfit from them anyway - go to an art school if you really want crits because there its personal and ongoing with experts in the feld.
Besides I find that much of the stuff shown here really is games and monsters oriented with pretty lame undertones so its not very important to me.
If all people want is a pat on the back then HERE IS A PAT ON THE BACK - happy now people.
yes i realized thanx for ur comments
Personaly i think this community is great…
Where else can u see the sheer amount of amazing artwork presented here? I only half agree with what is being said in this thread… I understand that not every newbie gets alot of critique if any, but at the same time i think its unfair to say that the community is boring and unwilling to help new and up and comming artists…
As it has been said above, i would say at least half of the community have tight work commitments, including myself, and don’t really have alot of time to go browsing the entire forums posting comments, and understandably most people comment on things that catch their eye, simply because either of 1: they don’t have alot of time, or 2: sick of being on a computer after work hours…
Another point i think is that since there is a vast majority of up and comming artists on this forum, some may not think themselves good enough to critique others works, so that decreases your chance of getting critiques, but having said all that, i don’t think it should discourage people from posting new work… its only a matter of time before u urself ( meaning the general person ) as an artist improve and people start to take notice…
and over the past few months i have seen quite a few professionals comment on younge and up and comming artists works… so people do, do it. But yes this forum is soo massive people works do or can get lost within all the great artwork in here…
Guess thats more of a reason to push your limits to compete with the best.
Well it is for me…
JMO - u don’t have to agree with me…
oh and as for going to a good arts school… not everyone has that kinda money to go to places like Cal arts or VFS… so i would consider the critiques from this forum far more valuable to me as an artist than from some random teacher who thinks he knows everything.
cheers boys.
Not so long ago I did post a message about this, and about the star system.
What I have seen over the years is a movement in both the standard of work, and the technology with Zbrush. ZB3 allows the good to be fantastic, and the fantastic to be elite class. What it don’t do, is show the beginner to be more than that.
When the Pros that Beta tested ZB3 showed their beta images, it set a standard way beyond what we have seen, and in such large quantities. Once your jaw drops a few times, then a few more, we all become desensitised to the images we see now, at least this is what it done to me, this can be a good thing for some, and not for others.
Now! it takes something even more imaginative, different and artistic to pull the eyes of individuals to feel they want to respond. Most works have a “that’s cool” factor about them. They cant see any faults to crit on, yet they cant see nothing that stands out as eye catching either, I think these get very little responses.
Next we have the new users, both new to sculpting, 3D. These normally always follow the same steps that we all did once regardless of how current the technology is. Long time users have see the same mistakes time and time again, i.e. sculpting detail before form for example.
Sometimes new users works need so much attention because they have ran before they can walk, that its hard to crit on one area when you well know there are too many other areas that need to same attention. I think these get next to no responses.
The work that also seems to get little replies or non, is the “Seen it before” style of works. Unfortunately that’s part of the learning curve, and while it may not appeal to the more advanced sculptor, it looks dam good to the person that has spent days working on it.
Iv seen these patterns over and over again, so I no longer post any work, unless I feel its different and more imaginative or very stylized in some way.
The problem is all the newbie work is mixed with the higher end work. If there was a beginner forum, then at least everyone knows what to expect and offer help on. Also the W.I.P is mixed with the complete works. These should not be mixed at all, again need another forum area for W.I.P.
Time is a issue sometimes, I post on others works when I can, and will always take the time to help if it hasn’t already been given. Allot of us post on other forums and help others, this leaves less time to siv though mixed works of art on here.
Its worth to mention that you should add to the title if its a W.I.P and if you require crits or advice. One of the main reasons I stuck with Zbrush when it was v1.5 was its community. I was totally new to 3D and sculpting and found Zbrush very hard to get my head around. I think the community at its core still care about the works of others, it just don’t always shine through.
The more members ZBC has, the harder it becomes to even see everything, much less post about it all. When I first joined, ZBC was very small (I think it had under 1,000 members) and we quickly came to know almost everyone. That resulted in a small town kind of community. Now that we’re pushing ever closer to the 150,000 member mark, it’s only natural that the site would have more of a big city kind of community. There’s no getting around that.
However, I’d like to respectfully point out that complaining about a lack of community participation is not really a good way to change anything. Change requires action; not talk. Want to see more participation? Then do something about it!
Why not put together a proposal for how you can get people more involved? (One that works within the current site structure.) Come up with a plan of action where you state what you personally are going to do. Then ask other people to join in. Make a pact among yourselves and become a positive force for change. In short, become your own community within the community – the “cool crowd”.
For example, you could put together a series of monthly worshop challenges in the Challenges Forum, with each one focusing on a specific theme. Maybe one month you’d focus on eyes. Another month you’d focus on ears. Or hair, retopology, material creation, lighting and rendering or whatever else you might think of. Then work together as a group to help each other master the topic at hand. And of course, when you see someone asking about a subject that has been covered by one of your workshops you can then point them to it… and at the same time, encourage them to join in on your current one.
That’s just one idea off the top of my head. I’m sure that if you put your minds to it you can come up with many more. But don’t just talk. DO!
“Change requires action; not talk”
Yeap!
Recent poll:
Aurick-99%
Obama-0.5%
McCain-0.5%
Sorry, it may be me being stupid, but can you explain what this means?
He’s basically saying that the current candidates both talk about change, but show very little in the way of actions that give weight to all that talk.
However, please let’s not use ZBC for political debate. Thanks. :)
In earlier times there was much less educational material available besides the forum. Now there is much much more third party trainings material available and the function of the forum as exchange for tricks and skill has diminished. With the amount of posts pumping through the main gallery, there is not much time to leave a comment or actually recognize a post. I recall times where a post stuck for a couple of days in the main gallery. Quite some comments at that time. Today, stuff shows up and is pushed through in an hour or so.
Lemo
hello there,
well just my two cents. Time is always a premium and we all struggle with managing it and all I can say is, I don’t think its always personal if your sketchbook gets passed over or no one leaves you any crits.
Keep trying!
I have to echo what a number of others have mentioned - it’s time consuming to give crits, especially meaningful ones.
Somebody suggested that those who are complaining should do something about it if they are so upset rather than simply vent. I totally agree, and that suggestion got me thinking.
As I see it the two major obstacles to people giving more responses to people seeking crits are:
- Time
- Simply knowing what to say
I think it would be nice if artists had the ability to highly moderate their own sketchbook threads, by creating sub threads for the different kinds of conversations going on within their thread - say a sub thread for all their updates, one for the “great work comments”, another for crits,and any others that are appropriate. Right now going through a thread is a very linear process that results in people sifting through a lot of irrelevent info - thus wasting there time. Creating something that placed related but different information in parallel would make it easier for people to find the kind of conversations and information they are interested in. Heck, make it so they can have there own banner row in there thread for updates and interesting comments etc.
Anyway, these are just some seminal ideas. It would be interesting to really develop a technological approach to addressing the issue of community involvement.
Just having a newbee forum would help a great deal. Others could pop into that forum and see how they can help out, knowing what to expect before they go there.
In that forum, stickys can be made with exercises dedicated to new users.
On the other side of things, maybe a button that a user can tick to state that the thread is a W.I.P so no ratings can be given untill its un ticked and shown as finnished work.