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Talent, skill, knowledge, ability your views?

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#1

Iv been thinking about what defines a great artest and what realy is talent.

Talent is somtimes associated with inteligence and natural ability to do somthink well, but is there more to it than that?

Passion is not enougth without skill, and skill is attained by knowledge and ability by puting into practice what we learn.

Another factor is imagination, it would seem that what defines talent is having inteligence by means of ability, skill, passioin, imaginatioin and knowledge.

Some people can,t draw as much as some can,t sing, but theres so many levels between poor and exceptional. Are these different levels of abilities attained from some of the keys above, but lacking others?

For exsample, someone realy wants to sculpt, but has no natural recorces to their aid, other than passion. These people would be get better over time based on learning ability. Would it be true to asume that these people would hit a brick wall at a certain stage where they never even get close to a talented individual that has all the recorces that amount to true tallent.

I know some people that have the focus, passion and patience to learn, yet never progress, would this be their brick wall?

Im interested in your views on this subject. Is there anyone that had no drawing skills yet attained the qualities needed to achive art that was of the standard by a so called tallented person?

Where would you put yourself, and what areas make up your tallents? Being that im asking, it wouldnt be seen as boastfull to answer.

#2

I don’t think anybody has an solid upward limit in what they can do, at least nothing like a brick wall that is simply impassible

I think that progress in intellectual matters is something like a hilly landscape… all of our knowledge and abilities interact with eachother, so it’s definitely not a two-dimensional thing

I say it’s hilly, because we all go through periods where we’re fighting our way uphill to reach a milestone and it feels like a slope of diminishing returns where we’re getting less and less out of it… but then we hit that point where something clicks and our perspective changes… a paradigm shift… suddenly we’re at the top of that hill… we see the landscape… and for a while, we’re running downhill capitalizing on the breakthrough and nothing can stop us… until shortly afterwards when we’ve hit another uphill crawl

everybody will have more or less trouble with different things… one person’s uphill struggle may take twice as long as the next person’s… but I think it’s all a matter of perspective… our methods of thought shape our intellectual ability, and that is something that can change

when it comes to physical ability, however… it’s kind of different… we’re given our bodies and we’re stuck with them… I still say there is no upwards limit… but there is also no top of the hill… whether we’re improving a max lift or our time in the 100 yrd dash… it will always be a struggle up a slope of diminishing returns… if I gave it my all, I could improve my dash time by a second over the next couple months, but the next couple months I would be hard pressed to squeeze out another half second, and so on

#3

I think a true artist is someone who approaches a serious subject with the spell checker turned off. :slight_smile:

#4

Lol, thankyou, I can draw better than I spell, or can I?:o

Have you heard of the term “All thumbs and fingers”? This would be a physical limitation because the way our motor skills are controlled by the brain.

For somone with poor motor skills, thay would have to get over the physical problem before they can achive a certain level of art. Im not sure art is the actual correct word, as this seems to involve no class of quality but our own expression of how we see the world and how we show our imagination.

Im realy looking at Top row work, where there is a clear quality difference in all homed skills or abilities. How much of these skills are trained?

#5

I believe in physical intelligence… that proper use of the body is a mental thing

things like your max bench press or your 100 yrd dash time are a matter of pure physical ability… the stuff you’re actually made of

things like tripping over your own feet, learning to juggle, controlling your brush stroke, etc are matters of physical intelligence… not intelligence in a problem solving sense… but as a matter of understanding and controlling your own body

I imagine that people who are really clumsy as adults never involved in much physical activity as children, when that mental process of attuning to the body is most active… like my wife… sometimes I wonder if she just woke up in her body yesterday :stuck_out_tongue:

to bring it back to art specifically, it’s more than creativity, more than passion, craftmanship, or the grace of a brush stroke… it’s the culmination of all these things, and it’s a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts… so many aspects of an artist’s personal development is incorporated into the process of a good work of art that it becomes a chunk of human experience

I’m sure many people here are aware of the idea that we’re all trapped in the confines of our own perspectives… we can never actually see through another person’s eyes or know their thoughts the same as our own… but art is like a chunk of human experience crossing the void from artist to audience, bridging that gap at least for a moment

to create a piece of art which accomplishes that takes a little bit of everything, or it’s just not whole… like if I stepped into your perspective for a while, but didn’t get your eyes or your ears

I guess what I’m really saying is it’s the personal growth in the process of art creation that makes great art… if the artist isn’t growing, then their art will become stale

#6

This explains everything:

#7

Talent?

Hundred bucks to Aurick, you are top row for a month.

#8

that used to be one of my favorite T-Shirts, Lemo :smiley:

#9

posted by tez: “Im realy looking at Top row work, where there is a clear quality difference in all homed skills or abilities. How much of these skills are trained?”

There seems to be an exponential growth in art produced by “trained talent” showing up in the top row. Sometimes it becomes hard to differentiate between the artist and the technician… :slight_smile:

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maybe he’s trying to get into Gnomon…

#10

apologies, just informed top row 150 dollars cash unmarked bills.

(inflation due to gas prices)