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Right click context menu

Hi all!

Anyone who has used black box, IceWM, Fluxbox, KDE, GNOME knows how easy it is to navigate their computer with just a right click on the desktop… the user can tweak the menu and add shortcuts or paths… the paths make it so they can navigate hard disk without drawing new windows, or ICONS… it just lets user have controll over system without hunting for buttons or tool bars… As a matter of fact, in most LINUX window managers, the user can run entire system with right mouse button, No task bar, No system tray, no Quicklaunch…Everything they need is in their own hands where it belongs…

In windows we are stuck hunting for the start button, hunting for the Quick launch button…I have the Microsoft logo burned into my EYEBALLS! I go to sleep and I see a windows symbol burned into my vision.

we are stuck using the system the way micro$oft wants us to, and it is a really lame, unefficient…

I have recently gotten out of windows with a few different shells that allow user to navigate computer just like in a superior, user friendly LINUX windowing system…

But the Shells are too big and bulky, and are full of bugs…

Dose anyone know of a application or a Tweak for windows XP that lets us tweak the desktop right click context menu?

it would be great if we can stick some shortcuts on right click context menu…

I think it really, really sucks the way MICRO$OFT has layed out the context menu… WE are stuck hunting for that Microsoft LOGO on the start button to run applications…

the quick launch tool bar has to be the dimensions it is , we cannot make it smaller… we are stuck!

Dose anyone know of a way, or a program that lets us change the worthless desktop context menu?

I think it would be nice to have functions on it that I actually use… mainly just shortcuts to applications… the start button menu, and the control panel.

hopefully there is a utility out there that gives a bit more control over system…

Thanks in advanced :slight_smile:

Hi Polaris
You are a perfectionnist :slight_smile:
Is that vital to control the desk at this limit for just move copy past lauch some files or program? :slight_smile:
In the absolut you are right but in the reality it’s some trivial :slight_smile:
And sorry I don’t know this sort of program :frowning:
Pilou

EDIT : (Thanks for the comment Pilou! I am definately a perfectionist :slight_smile: thanks for comment :slight_smile: )

WOOT!

Never mind, I fixed Black box for Windows…

Now I have all my favorite features right in the palm of my hand :slight_smile:
http://www.bb4win.org/news.php

WARNING:
BB4Win is very “Raw”… there is no GUI for most of the setup,you have to use notepad and manually add-remove things, and I have had to make special tweaks to every software package I own… :small_blue_diamond: see footnotes

But…

It looks really good!, I have 4 virtual desktops so my monitor seems like it is 6 feet wide, the start menu is disabled so all those Icons are not in memory, nor are the task bar Icons…Everything is under my right mouse button ,all stat menu, Internet favorites, and 3 categories of my programs are all right there :slight_smile: :+1:

Weeee! Minimalism to the maximum!!! only 12% of my ram used by the windowing shell compared to 14% using WinXP… (thats allot! I have 2 GIGS!!)

I will post a link to an Essay I am making on the different software packages I use and how to make them “BB4Win friendly” …

every thing is similar to running things from the RUN menu, or DOS command prompt, so some programs are tricky to get opened… just make shortcuts to the applications .EXE .BAT or .COM file, and point menu/icon to shortcut…

I will be back later with link to essay, for easy minimal setup…

Work flow is AWESOME, and lightning fast, after you configure and tweak everything.

My paint shop pro opens like notepad… instant! Windoze it takes about 2 1/2 seconds :slight_smile:

:small_blue_diamond: (you should make a new user account, log off main user, and log into new account and run the installer... this way you can revert back to windows until you have BB4Win configured properly. answer yes,and then no when running installer.)

That’s one of the reasons people love their Macs.
The operating system gets out of your way (not in your face all the time)
So when is Z2 for the Mac coming?

As soon as possible :slight_smile:
Pilou

looks very pretty, but sounds like way too much work

instead of cleaning my desktop to something like BlackBox, I’ve gone the way of the keyboard shortcut. To help me out I have 2 X-Keys, 1 for home, 1 for work. With X-keys you can type in a sequence, and assign it to 1 key. Add in pauses, even. i’ve had passwords, unix shell commands, app hot-keys I couldn’t remember, and even the simple copy/cut/paste/undo keys. My favorite use is file renaming, since the pop-up context menu is a key on my keyboard, I can call rename, change the part I want, hit enter, and move to the next line, all with 1 key.

x-keys website

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forgot 1 more thing to mention. X-keys has it’s own memeory, so you can use it on another computer, no worries.

OMG! thanks!!
http://www.xkeys.com/xkeys/xkstick.php

Im gonnna buy me one of thease little beautys and glue it to the lefthand side og my WACOM intuos 2 GFX pad!!!

Can you program them to be modifyer keys (CNTRL-ALT-SHIFT?"

this will realy make my life easyer!!!
I have got a realy small desk, and I am too cheep to but a new one… (besides My father made this one for me, when I was a kid!)

I am constantly contorting around my GFX pad trying to get hotkeys on my keyboard… this is like a dream come true!!!.. I am going to glue one on the left side where my non-drawing hand usualy resides.

I want to set it to CNTRL-A CNTRL-Z ALT CNTRL and SHIFT

Great news Game Master 770 , thanks for the info :slight_smile:

Check this out :slight_smile:

[img]http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200406/user_image-1086396164tzc.jpg[/img]

http://s91842597.onlinehome.us/BLACKBOX/index.htm

3 Huge Jpegs on page, please give it time to load…

this is what my desktop looks like right now :slight_smile:

if the stick works as the X-keys I have, it goes between your keyboard if PS/2, or plugs into your USB. either way, it records any keystrokes, or keyboard combos. I suggest it to any power user.

I have the desktop version and professional version, both PS/2. I’m interested in the one with a jog shuttle, and would get that one, if I wanted 1 more.

No mater which you get, I’m sure you’ll be happy. Maybe even happy enough for 2. :smiley:

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They have remove-able caps where you put in the text you want, on paper. Use colored paper if you like. both of mine has an upper key, and lower key mode. Like shift, but it’s a toggle that you assign to any 1 key. all non toggle buttons can have 2 keys.

Cool deal, thanks for the info gamemaster :slight_smile:

i think your really complaining about nothing.
windows xp should use about 100megs of ram and not more.

the explorer process is between 18-24 megs of ram. the rest are networking, and processes that run some part of windows. if you bought your machine from a store you will have a LOT of useless processes/apps running in the background. for example i have 230 megs of ram used at startup on my laptop because it came with so many useless things installed. its not windows to blame but the maker of my laptop. at the same time, the average user might actually think these processes are useful for them. ( like for example: the drag and drop burn dvd application ( which i almost never use, so its turned off )

i dont see how the operating system “is always in your face” its like any other OS really.

on OSX youll either use finder or the bar on the bottom to find your application… on windows you use thee quick launch icons on your taskbar… or icons on your desktop…

no matter what you do you will still be forced to “find” your applications… even if you right click your menu in other OSes you will still have to navigate to the application you will want to use… or click the icons on your taskbar thingies.
same shit really.

i dont see how its not being efficient. you point and click on all the Oses

you can always right click on the taskbar and choose “lock the taskbar”… if you unlock it you can make the quicklaunch 3 icons small. so you have only the apps you use the most in there… and rest to be accessed through the arrow button. so you can remove explorer/show desktop if you need, and have the rest show how you want. you just have to organize it to your liking.

i actually like the right click on windows. the way it works is a bit different than on other oses. it just brings up the properties and things you can do over whatever you have right clicked. its soo simple, that i dont see what there is to complain about.

on other OSes you have pretty much said it yourself… your forced to always “configure this… and configure that…” and then theres the process of finding and constantly updating files for your applications that you want to use ( for example wings on linux is a pain in the butt to work, because its got a few dependancies, and they always get updated… ) so if you get a new version of linux, you will also need to find those dependant files…not what i call fun.

on windows i never have that problem and its nice for those reasons. simple to use, and it runs all i need. OSX while nice has its own annoying problems. the constant nagging because you didnt do something the way IT likes. like unplug a device without pressing eject and OSX will nag to you that you could lose your files that you just copied to the device… on windows you never have problems like that.

i guess if you constantly look for specific text files it makes a difference, but for the most part you will be spending your time working in application X and not always looking for file A, or file B…

I like Expose on the Mac, keyboard or slide to a corner and all open windows show on the desktop, or hide all open windows, really cool.

do some serches on Google for context menu. I’ve seen several articles to edit these, and even some apps to do it. In order to do it manually, I think it requires changes to your Registry (Regedit.exe)
I haven’t done this myself, but somebody added a drive to my SendTo section, so I know it can be done.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I like Expose on the Mac, keyboard or slide to a corner and all open windows show on the desktop, or hide all open windows, really cool. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

On windows, this is called “show desktop”

Hi, ambient-whisper :slight_smile:

well if you like it there is no reason to change it :slight_smile:

I personally don’t like XP shell…

As fas as my OS is concerned, I bought windows XP separately from my computer… I don’t allow OEM version of windows on my system… Nor do I allow the factory restore disks restore BS applications… I have just a Raw version of windows XP, and I manually add my device drivers, an run TweakUI from Microsoft to achieve total minimalism…I disable allot of thing in windows that I don’t use.

I also have a few accounts on my system for various tasks…

For backup, I have a vanilla version of windows XP, no whistles or bells… then I have Black box account with all the whistles and bells, then I have a Video game playing account, which is TOTALLY MINIMAL… it has nothing to speak of… I used the device manager to make a Lean system, and I have disabled un-needed things, just stuff relevant to game play (It makes a BIG diffrence)…

As far as production is concerned, I cant go back to the old way of hunting for the start button… or littering my desktop with Quick launch and Icon shortcuts… nor do I like clogging up my ram by assigning hot keys for tasks…

In black box I don’t even minimize windows anymore, I just leave them open and switch desktops…

this way I can keep relevant programs on the same desktop Eg… On my first desktop I have it set up as my communication center…
I have a Radio station list, Win amp, E-mail client, and X-chat there all opened and positioned on the screen… when I need to do any INTERNET tasks I switch desktops with my mouse wheel, or by bumping side of screen.

this way I don’t have to “Juggle” windows from the task bar, and resize/reposition them, they are always there open and ready to go…

It is like having 4 monitors…

I can have Brush open full screen, paint shop pro, and my choice of UV mapping software on another Desktop, all sized and fitted… It takes me less system recourses to just leave them open… minimizing and maximizing suck lots of system recourses to redraw the window. the way BB4Win is set up your GFX card thinks you have a 6 foot wide monitor, and once the window is drawn that is it…one good trick I have learned is to get all my application I am using open, and in position, then I run a RAM defragger/optimizer… I sometime gain 3-5% depending on the applications I am ruining.

As far as the right mouse button is concerned, it is Way faster to get where I need to go, and to do the tasks I need…

I have bad wrists from using mouse too much… the menus save me from a bit of pain, I can get into my Zscript folder in 2 clicks rather than 14 clicks, plus I don’t have to wait for windows to Draw new window/Icons… it is just a text list. sure I can make a shortcut on desktop, but that is a waste of disk space, and I only need to get into My Zscript folder maby once a month… and Icons get covered by windows…

I have quite a few different folders I constantly use, Models, textures, download,upload, HTML, VRML, notes, Etc…
instead of having Icon shortcuts that my windows can cover and hide,I only need 1 pixel of the desktop showing to access ANYTHING on my entire system with the right click menu I have written. I don’t have to reposition the windows to see Icons under them.

I have shortcuts to Heavily used folders/applications right there, my entire control panel, my start button menu, my shutdown/log off menu, my INTERNET favorites…

I guess the BIGGEST thing I like is that it turns the Window$ key into just a modifier!! it doesn’t interrupt anything anymore when I accidentally hit it…

In Brush I CONSTANTLY was hitting the windows key trying to hit ALT- or Control… the way it is now, if I hit it it dose NOTHING! in the past it would knock me out of Brush, and make me loose my train of thought… version 1.55b used to crash when when start menu popped up.

Black box is definitely not for everybody… it is allot of work to set up…

But:

It Looks AWESOME!

Smaller Foot print in memory (even smaller no that I use BBmemshrink :slight_smile: :+1: )

fast access to entire system, all I need is 1 pixel of desktop showing.

It is Fully configurable, I can add or remove features I don’t need…

It works the same as my Linux version of Black box, sometimes it is hard to tell which OS I am in.

Some programs load faster.

Everything can be configured and tweaked… it is an open source project, I can re-write the entire core if I needed to… Windoze I have to wait for new version, and just hope for the features I want…

Everything on desktop can have Auto hide, and transparency, to keep it out of the way. plus I can scale anything I want to make it smaller or larger…windows task bar has to stay Opeq, and there is no way to make it smaller… and if it has to run entire span of screen…Quick launch bar dose not have auto hide feature when it is detached. Icons have to stay all the same size also.

well I can go on and on about this…

Black box is not for everybody… especially people who like Windows the way it is…
it is not for NON-DOS users.
Nor is it for people who don’t like tweaking things…

I can guarantee that if it is set up correctly a user can access folders and files faster and with fewer clicks… plus they don’t have to hunt for Icons or start button. users can define command line switches and options to make things easier.

there are ways to get windows to do allot of what I am talking about with other applications so you can still use the XP shell… there are Numerous Virtual desktops out there… there is a way to modify the desktop context menu, and there are ways to reduce/defrag system ram… Win XP is still a good OS shell in my opinion…

just not my OS shell of choice :slight_smile:

Thanks for the comments ambient-whisper ,

BTW,

YOu dont have to replace your shell to get virtual desktops BTW…

If you have an nvidia Graphics card you just have to turn it on, or download and install from their website…

Here is an open source one that I use in my windows XP shell:
http://virt-dimension.sourceforge.net/screen1.png

that is virtual dimensions, has alot of features like blackbox… it is resizeable, and you can lock it on desktop, with always on top toggle, and also lets you drag window icons between desktops… all desktops are skinnable can have 4 wallpapers (waste of memory) or 4 colors to aid in navigation.
It also adds features to your windows, like Transparacy, always on top, and roll up (shadeing)…

you cant bump edge of screen tho to get to diffrent desktops, this somewhat defeats its purpouse beacuse you are hunting for the Virtualdesktop window, and if you are doing that anyways it is just as easy to click a botton on the taskbar… there is another virtual desktop called virtuawin: http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
This is just like BBedgeflip, you can bump edge of screen and it switches to that desktop… but it realy lacks in the way you see the desktops, you only get 4 buttons like the Microsoft virtual desktop : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp
the micro$oft one has 4 desktops to choose from and has cool zooming effect… but realy sucks the ram!! especialy if you have 4 wallpapers… microsoft virtual desktop only has 4 buttons, you cant realy see what is on other desktops… the above address is where you get Tweak UI BTW… be sure to get that to further customize your system…

There are LOTS and LOTS of Icon trays/docks out there also… some are exactly like BBslit, with time weather calender, detatchable Icons, Edge hide, alpha transparacy…
some even incorperate a virtual desktop, and are skinnable… just do a google search and pick from thousands of them…

I like them all wraped up in my little BB4win shell… Black box has everything I wanted and more from my windows shell… I realy feel in control of my system… it looks and acts exactly like I want it to :slight_smile: :+1:

"On windows, this is called “show desktop”

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Expose

Polaris30, do you use 1 or 2 monitors? I use 2, and never really thought about using my NVidia card to do multiple desktops. I always knew the option was there but ignored it. I’t been a long time since I used UNIX, so I forgot what multiple desktops was like. Gonna give it a second chance. Wonder how it will retain dual monitorness, since I use 2 cards to attain that. (the card I got only supports flat-screens for 2nd display. grrrr, it should have said that somewhere!!)

Let me say how I have my XP setup, for others that may have XP gripes like you, but don’t know how, or don’t want to go to the trouble of a new shell.
I customize my start menu, and ignore the program folder, and leave that for installs. so I put all my main apps, and shortcuts to frequent folders on the start-menu. by default, the first letter will always activate an icon. If it’s the only 1 with that first letter, you simply hit that key. you can also have folders in the start menu. On mine to get to Zbrush it’s just, Start>Z 2 keys, not bad at all. with my x-keys, it can be just 1, if I cared enough. 3-4 clicks tops for nested items. Zbrush was nested in a folder called 3D, so in that case it’s just Start>3>Z. I have a folder for folders shortcuts also on my start menu.
I never use my desktop anymore to keep stuff, it’s all in the start menu, or quick launch. this way I have keyboard shortcuts to navigate around. I use the right context for many things, so I couldn’t live without it. and if the Start-menu opens too slowly for you, I read how you can reduce the timing of that to 0, which by default is 4/10 of a second. But you have to alter your Registry to do it.
so basicly, to not alter XP and have fast easy access to whatever, learn to utilize keyboard shortcuts. If that is too much, buy X-Keys and your life will be even easier.

only 1 thing would make my life even easier. If the Hibernate feature worked for me. It works on my laptop, but not my desktop. If you don’t know what Hibernate does, I’ll tell you. It allows you to turn off your computer, without closing anything. Basicly saves it all to the HD, and will start your computer, with everything open. I hate having to re-open stuff, that I was working on. Sometimes I just leave the computer running, to prevent the hassle.

BB4 win has windows memory like in IceWM :slight_smile:

you can have certain windows open to a certain size, and on a certain desktop… so every time you open it it is where you want it…

My hibernate dont work either,

anyways, I am not sure what the Nvidia virtual desktop is like… I suggest trying the first virtual managerI mention, if you dont like the Nvidia one… look on teh plugin page, there are some realy cool plugins… Here is one they dont mention tho…
http://www.vendomar.ee/~matti/win32wm.html

it can run stand alone or part of the virtual desktop as a plugin :slight_smile:

it enables one of my favorite UNIX/LINUX features…

It lets you hold down ALT-LEFTclick anywhare on windows and drag window… and alt-RIGHTclick anywhare on window to resize it :slight_smile: :+1:

the way it is now you have to click on the TITLEBAR to move/drag windows…

This is one of my favorite parts about UNIX/LINUX windows managers…

BTW, some virtual desktop managers are nice to dual monitors, BB4Win is one of them, I am not sure about the others…I dont have a double headed system yet… (next week sometime I will!!!)