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Scared Silly Entry by Chuck Clayton

Yes, I’ve been thinking about the DVD. The problem I have with learning by DVD is that if you make a mistake along the way, then you have to back up the DVD and watch again, etc. It’s a great way to learn for some people, but not really the best way for me. I may give it a go anyway.

Yes, aurick is great, and I’d love to have the book, but it’s not available until Dec 18 this year according to Amazon, see: “Availability: This title has not yet been released. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives.”

I learn best from books, but I’ll have to wait along with everyone else on that one.

Thanks Davinci!

Yes it does! But it’s pretty ‘ambitious’ for a beginner, don’t you think? :slight_smile:
My imagination is much greater than my ability right now, but I may give it a try. I’m just happy to be moving forward in the learning curve, and it would probably be best to tackle something somewhat less intimidating. Start out ‘small’ and get a handle on this thing, rather than trying for something very complex, and frustrating myself.

I’m not out to ‘win’ anything in the contest. I’d be thrilled just to participate, even if it be a ‘minor’ offering.

Thanks!

Disco Stu is absolutly right forgot about that. I will definantly take you up on the photoshop stuff one day. I hope you enjoy yourself with zb and have fun with the contest…
also maybe a thought for you for the contest. Two pumpkins sitting out side on a table having scared faces for a pumpkin pie sits right in the middle with maybe a carving knife. Just a thought to keep the pumpkins in #2 but having them in a different situation with their faces scared should take care of the possible copyright infringement. you could always do different faces other than 'Laurel and Hardy’ but still keep them skinny and fat.

Happy Halloween to all.

Yup. That was the problem all right. Lack of learning on my part.

Thanks!

Yes. I’m abandoning ideas #1 and #3. They are just way too ambitious for a beginner (me, anyway). I’m going to stick with the pumpkin idea in #2, and maybe revise the idea a bit.

Thanks!

“The image that you create can be an amusing take on a recognizable character’s appearance”, but Rule #6 says - “Use of copyrighted elements is not allowed.”

Boy, I hate to stir up a hornets nest here, and I’m REALLY NOT trying to - honest - I just want to make sure I’m within the contest rules, but also not violating copyright laws.

Since Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, The Mummy, etc., are surely still under copyright of Universal Studios, would it be safe to say you can have a character that ‘resembles’ Frankenstein, for instance, but you just can’t call it Frankenstein?? Yet, the ‘image’ of Frankenstein itself is under copyright. For example, if I wanted to paint a picture of the Frankenstein monster and sell it on the open market, I COULD NOT do so legally without the express written permission of Universal. Otherwise it would be copyright infringement.

So, since Laurel and Hardy are still under copyright, I legally couldn’t do that either, even if I could get pumpkins to look like Laurel and Hardy.

Seems to me we need some clarification on this issue just to be cautious so that no one gets in any sort of legal trouble.

Hi Morbius
Glad to see you’re still at it.

Regarding copyright, I don’t think you have a problem (although I’m open to correction from others). Copyright, I believe, expires 50 years after the death of the author. Frankenstein, for example, was written in 1818 so is no longer under copyright. That said, Universal may have the copyright on their particular representation of Frankenstein but not on Frankenstein in general (i.e. you can create a Frankenstein which is recognizably the original character as long as it doesn’t resemble too closely Universal’s one - and you can also call him Frankenstein).

“Copyright covers the expression of an idea”(wikipedia), so since Laurel and Hardy were not that but actual living people, I don’t think they would ever have been covered by copyright (their films of course would). In their case I think, legally speaking, if you were to use their photo for advertising you might require permission from their heirs but since they are deemed of public interest you wouldn’t require permission for newsworthy or editorial publication. I think anyone trying to prosecute you for using their likeness in sculpting a pair of pumpkins would be skating on very thin ice!!

Here is another quote from Wikipedia:
“Copyright law covers only the form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the “form of material expression”. It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. For example, the copyright which subsists in relation to a Mickey Mouse cartoon prohibits unauthorized parties from distributing copies of the cartoon or creating derivative works which copy or mimic Disney’s particular anthropomorphic mouse, but does not prohibit the creation of artistic works about anthropomorphic mice in general, so long as they are sufficiently different to not be deemed imitative of the original.”

Looking forward to seeing your pumkins develop,
Best of luck
Jason

Hey Morbius,

So I am curious if you are still going with idea number two. I actually had a similar idea o your number 3, but still very different. I had my idea before you posted yours, but I just hadn’t registered yet. I’m just beginning like yourself, but I’m still going to give it my best shot! I just don’t want people thinking I ripped off your idea, because I’m not like that. Everyone at my work can vouch that I started this idea on Monday, Oct. 1st. Anyway, I hope you are overcoming your obstacles, and I can’t wait to see what we both do as beginners. Good luck!!!

No problem! :slight_smile: I’m going to pursue my idea #2 about the pumpkins, so if your idea is something ‘like’ my #3, no sweat. And as you said, your concept is ‘still very different’ anyway - but thanks for posting. This way there’ll be no confusion.

Best of luck!! Being a newbie is a real hair-puller isn’t it!?
:lol:

Here’s the heart of copyright-- this succinct version via The Dallas Morning News-- among 100’s of places: “…with the 1998 extension, known as the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act, the protection period was extended to 70 years after the death of the creator, and works owned by corporations were protected for 95 years.”

@ http://www.dougbedell.com/lessig.html

edit:
For those who think 2002 is ancient, here is an exhuastive Wiki updated OCT07:

@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

[snip]
"Since all countries have separate copyright laws, there is no such thing as an “international copyright”. The Berne Convention, however, makes the copyright automatic in each signatory. Should copyright infringement litigation ensue, registration with the U.S. Copyright Office may affect the outcome.[citation needed]