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Raphael (TMNT)

Gabriel86, the whole point of this was to create a more realistic looking tmnt, not a fanfiction hero piece from the tv series. Besides, the turtles were mutated into what they were, what on earth gave you the audacity to assume that the development of the turtles’ new abilities woul make them look human? next time don’t boo an artist because you don’t like his/her viewpoint of what things should be.

Adam i think it’s an awesome piece and i like the way you carried it out. good work.

Oh yeah - brilliant first post too.

I am a huge fan of the TMNT! And when I first saw this post months ago I was blown away. It took the kiddy side of TMNT and gave it more of an adult edge. I have been waiting to see the other 3 turtles made just like this one. In fact I like this version so much I wish a movie would be made.
Keep up the great work!!! Please let me know if you do any more sculpts with TMNT.

Look, I don’t like it, and I’m telling the guy why I don’t like it. If he can’t accept critique then why would he be here? How bout you let the man speak for himself.

I understand you’re trying to defend him, but what are you trying to defend him from? It’s good modeling, good idea, but I just believe he could have added more character to this art by not going so far off track with the original. You don’t have to create an entirely new look to add on an adult edge to something that is a classic.

I am not here to kiss every artists ass that comes my way. If anything, he should appreciate the fact that I’m being honest!

I am a fan of the orginal TMNTs. I cannot relate to this. I really do believe he can add more character and life to this. It has potential. This is my CRITIQUE. /End.

I’m stepping in before the fur starts flying. Everyone on the forum is entitled to their opinion, whether we all agree with it or not. Don’t let this turn into personal attacks and mud slinging.

very cool:D

indubitably, my humble apologies Aurick, Gabriel86.

I saw a rat human…
Are you going to do the fab four with splinter?
That would be amazingly cool.
I love your work -but it does deserve a full color, clean and crisp render.
The B&W is nice stylistically -but this would be killer done with natural colors and tone.
I like the realism. Kills the original Movie by Newline -not to mention the recent CG version.
They should let you direct a re-imagining.
Your style is very cool.
peace.

By a realistic look -I meant something like this

would be uber-cool!

Big fan!
Cheers.painted.jpg

With respect Aurick, I hope to not create further trouble but I feel it is worthwhile to suggest, by way of an attempt at constructive criticism, that - gabriel86, it was not so much your opinion that I and zalkore (and I’m sure others) found offensive, but rather the apparent attitude with which you shared it. Perhaps we misinterpreted, but even in reading your posts again with an eye to that possibility they still come off as rude in my opinion. I submit therefore that it would be worthwhile to put some more thought into how you offer your criticisms, so that they might not offend and therefore stand a chance at actually having a constructive effect.

Good work!

I always thought that you had put a fresh spin on an other wise ridiculous topic and made it believable.

I would recommend ignoring the the insecure folk whom wish to lash out. :+1: :+1: Art is as unique as its creator … who have we become that we feel the need to judge one another. my best. J

If you said any of those things while giving a critique in a professional studio environment, you’d be out of there in no time.

It’s fine if you want to give a person constructive negative feedback.
Just learn how to do it without sounding like a total ass.

Adam - Nice work man - love the turntable of him in the gallery. Keep it up! :+1:

While the comments that sparked the debate were too agressive in delivery (at least to be absorbed in any constructive way), everyone has a right to say whats on their mind, especially when you put up a piece for criticism. That being said i do have the feeling the writer was having a bad day and went too far in the delivery.

While on topic, here’s some properly delivered criticism : From the first time i saw this piece, i liked the proportions and look, but one thing bothered me when i found out it was a TMNT. He’s supposed to be a Teenager, and i think this piece was weakened by forgetting that.

For example, how many teenagers do you see smoking a cigar? And his body proportions, while cool, communicate more “veteran” than teenager. This guy looks like he has war stories from 'Nam. Maybe this can be more of a TMNTs “Where are they now” kinda piece.

Of course it’s a lousy time to make this comment, when it’s basically finished. But to the artist i would suggest to remember the message next time. You had 4 things to communicate, Teenage, Mutant, Ninja, Turtle. I think you did well in other parts but lost Teenage somewhere down the line.

Ha, that’s awesome. Love the style.

Wonderful take on the character :+1: :+1:

I’d say making a movie would be pushing the envelope a bit too far but I do like the essential idea of creating a new vision of what a real TMNT would look like, even tho certain aspects of this one are radically different.

You sir, have a good cup full of imagination !

And as for Gabriele… Let’s see what you can do first before providing non constructive feedback…

Personally, I love it.

Does it have to stay tragically loyal the source material? No. It’s just one artist’s reinterpretation of a familiar concept. Cartoony versions of the turtles have been done before. This has not. It’s grim, gritty, and oddly true to the spirit of the old B&W comics. This is a tough as nails mutant ninja turtle. It may not be 4-color, but it maintains that hard edge that’s not found in the watered down cartoons and films.

I don’t even see the whole cigar thing as a betrayal of the concept. “Teenage” implies that they might one day grow up. This version might be older. Labeling the thread with TMNT only suggests a direction and not a spec. It’s a nice extension of an already proven concept.

I may not agree with gabriel86’s approach or even his opinion, but I defend his right to express it. Now, if he truly feels that this effort is so greatly ill conceived, I’m sure that we all would invite him to show us how it’s really done.

hey 1st of all , i still love the model, its great. i wanted to add to the teenage/ cigar discussion. i was smoking cigars in my teens, which obviously is not a good idea, but even tho he does look like an older more mature version of the cartoon… just maybe hes the badass in the group of teens that doesnt care bout his health? lol… either way, its my opinion that it only adds to the image- making it better ! :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m a huge fan of the TMNT comics. But i never liked the cartoon from 87 it was too silly. The model is awesome, love the realistic look and using the read skin color at the ear base is perfect replacement for his mask. and the cigar gives him his badass look Raph has.:stuck_out_tongue:
I dont see why it should be a issue that hes not “teenage” like:roll_eyes: I mean the turtles are adults now in the comic and there is many stories about the turtles in their older age.
It would be awesome see a group picture off all four Turtles:D

This is sweeet!! good job, really nice detail.