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Zbrush At Siggraph - From My Perspective - Day 12

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#361

After looking at these new and the old ZB 2.5 videos I really don’t think Mudbox is a ZB killer. Competition is always good for the end user. This is going to be very interesting the ZB vs Mudbox
thing, that is if we ever get any of these two released. I cant wait to use this with MODO.

As for the release I think when the ZB folks found out about Mudbox they decieded to add a bunch of features to 2.5 (a good choice IMO) and that is what caused the delay in its release. I think ZB’s GUI is the biggest drawback for new users and I didnt see any inteface shots of ZB 2.5 in any of the videos so who knows they may have changed it or made it so you could set it up any way you want.

#362

Hello Taron thanks for your input and the plugins sounds very interesting.
I will be over joyed if they have made some advancments to the zsphears to mesh creation as I got on realy well with them as they are. I hope its mainly directed at more control wiht poly placment and edge flow.:+1:

#363

thanks alot Taron, i think every one of us are very impresed by zbrush 2.5 and with a big desire to use it, i looking forward to the day is released.

By the way…you`r short animation: PEOPLE, is fantastic…CONGRATULATIONS :wink: …that is a very inspiring work in every sense…

#364

Except for one thing, “done.” :stuck_out_tongue:

(joking here!)

#365

The new compositing features must be somthink to do with layers that can now alow us to rotate , scale, position each object without having to drop each layer to 2.5d, Just a idear!:bulb: I would also like to know more on this.

#366

Wow, I was very impressed with these new features in the videos.
They addressed my major issues, for sure!
PM without the hassle, and multiple 3d objects.
The extraction and 3d layer features supprised me.

Now if they can only be as cool as Luxology was, and release it soon. Lux released thier new version of Modo 202, right after Siggraph. That was a shocker!! Basicly I saw the new 202 videos 1 night, and was told to download it the next.
People have been waiting a long time for zb2.5, and still not even an rough estimate.

#367

Rasamaya: There should be a zbrush theme song!

Let it be Mr Blue Sky :smiley:

#368

You know, honestly, I do sometimes ask myself why you are so damn impatient. Why do you believe life’s leaving your withering mind in such a rush that every minute counts and a day of waiting is already an outrage. Yes, it’s a process of great suspense, getting Zbrush2.5, but I just know this: If pixologic does not release it right now, there is a REAL reason for it and if the presentations become as strong and complete as this currrent one, than the reason for the delay must surely be as good as gone!

I for my part really believe it’s best to think that way: I don’t mind sharing my excitement, but I won’t get on a developer’s nerve with time pressure, pretending to be entitled to cause distress and anger.

Oddly enough, I know how much we’re all really loving Zbrush and just how much our fingers are itching to go beyond the current amazing level of detail to the insane one teasing us with those demos and clips, layering objects, layering displacements, painting directly on the geometry, new beautiful brushes and modes, fancy extraction features and the holygrailish mesh topography and projection…the rigging and posing…aergh…
…not an easy thing to chill about.
As far as competition goes, well, yes, it’s always somewhat of a boost, but I firmly believe that pixologic’s update is far more originated by the urge to improve the software independently from other sources of pressure. I also believe that the real motivation came from the successful implementation of some of these industry leading innovations along the way. Not to mention the feedback and excitement that has come from all of you. But its a sensitive process and I do advice you to understand: You’re protesting is irrelevant and can only make it unpleasant for the pixies to check out such threads! :roll_eyes:

Pixies… …:lol:

Anyway, coffee time! You go chill, I go sketch! Wonna do some more daily ZbornToy renders to start the day! :smiley:

#369

Nail hit firmly on head, by someone who knows what he’s talking about.

OT, but this seems a good opportunity to say ‘Thanks’ to Taron … sometime last year you wrote here (or it was in one of your vids) that the best thing hobbyist modelers could do to improve their work was to study anatomy. I took you at your word and, since Christmas, have really thrown myself into it. My work has radically improved as a direct result. I’m still pretty poo, but it’s a higher quality of poo. Thank you. :slight_smile:

#370

Genau auf den Punkt Taron!
Lemo

PS:Hab leider deine Demo verpasst. Kann man das wo anders sehen?

#371

I thought I should give my opinion on that one.

Simply put, because some of us NEED the upgrade, for the simple reason that there hasn’t been a single Patch or bugfix for well over 2 years now.

I for one, am running Windows XP 64, doing the move so I could have 4 gigs of ram so to be able to do more in Zbrush. Only to learn AFTER the move that Zbrush doesnt work with XP 64. ALL my other apps work, but not Z. So instead of fixing this they simply said to wait for Version 2.5. As they did for other bugs. But this one has no Workaround, nothing. Forces all of us stuck in this predicament to have a dual boot just for ONE software. So Yeah, we are impatient a bit.

Had there been bug fixes and such allong the way, I’m sure people would be more patient now. But if it wasnt for the forum, some could think Z is a dead software (developement wise I mean), I know of no other professional software that never releases any patch or bug fix for such a long time.

Yes I’m blown away by the new features of 2.5, but how long must I still be stuck in dual boot hell, if we have to wait another 6 months at least get a patch out to help those with XP 64. if not, some of us will look for alternatives when they become available.

#372

OH…that’s nice to know, good thing I still have 32 running on my 64bit machine…hehehe!

Sorry, well, sad to hear of troubles like that. Anyway, sounds like that might have slipped through the cracks somehow, although I can give you a whole bunch of examples of packages that havn’t patched for years despite known bugs…HAHA… no excuse, of course… not to mention that a stencil just made me seize the morning sketching session before saving…hehehe! Yeah, I’m very eager to get the new version, too.

#373

looking forward to see more of the AE plugin, sounds like its gonna be very fun to play with.

#374

Dreamweaver sat on a known memory leak for years, and only fixed it in a full commercial upgrade.

In Macromedia’s defense, they did put out one bugfix in that time, but it didn’t address the problem. I don’t know if I’d have been more frustrated or less if there had been more just like it. The only bugfix I care about is the one that fixes my problem. That said, one developer’s behavior neither excuses nor condemns another. It’s never a fair comparison because no two projects face the same challenges.
And on a seperate note…

Since when are patches and bugfixes a good thing? Their very existence suggests a release without sufficient testing. I mean, clearly, something was needed here to maintain compatibility over changing hardware platforms (win64, intel-based mac) but I think that lumping those in with the “Oops. My bad!” category turns poor execution into a positive marketing point.

I don’t know what the words should be, but I feel pretty strongly that we need a different term to describe this.

#375

They’re a good thing because the only real alternative is not releasing bugfixes and patches. No amount of testing is going to get all the bugs out… software almost never has every single bug fixed. In the case where you have something like a product shipping and there are patches within a few days, then yes, that’s a good indication that the product was unduly rushed. Otherwise, I don’t see the problem.

  • Kef
#376

I guess I cant speak for most of the people around here since Ive only been using the software for a couple of months now, but come on, guys be patient. Im eager to use the newer version, but you dont see me bitching and moaning. I think a company willing to release an upgrade with new features that are probably worth just as much as the current version of the program alone, FOR ZERO DOLLARS, should be given as much time as necessary to deliver a flawless product. I think someone quoted id software’s theory a few pages back by saying it’ll be ready “when its done,” which is a good theory in my opinion. Look how many movie and video game companies out there are churning out crap all because of set deadlines.

#377

I agree that we should wait as long as it takes to produce the right product. Frankly though, they shouldn’t have given any presentation or shown any new features at all without providing a release date. This isn’t the way I feel about all development or companies, but given the track record of what happened in '04, with great features announced and then “nothing”, this feels like a tease.

People do not enjoy being teased. The patience is there, but they shouldn’t have made a single feature announcement without a set date after the '04 fiasco.

I am very impressed and think they (Pixologic) deserve immense respect for keeping their promise on a free upgrade to 2.5 after three years of development, but I don’t think a company, person, or anything else for that matter grows as it should being fed even doses of praise and admiration without a little honest and accurate criticism.

In short, expand your willingness to understand and see things from Pixologic’s perspective so that it covers other users as well. :slight_smile:

#378

Wow, amazing… just watched the movies again.
Just as amazing, as the first time.
Taron, sounds like you had a blast.
I look forward to seeing what you’re working on.
Cheers
Cesar Dacol Jr.
Aka, The Voodoo Monkey

#379

I have great respect for Pixologic for first, making the software that has truely changed the industries thinking on 3D design and development, and for starting at a price point that is affordable.

If there was never another upgrade to ZBrush it’s still a major tool to work with in it’s present state. They’ve put the artistic feeling back into the mechanical process of working with 3D software.

Hooray Beer :slight_smile:

#380

Not much point in showing improvements unless they can be marketed at a reasonable price quickly. Hopefully they may even get the interface sorted out so we dont have to waste so much time on yet another SO plug-in.