My First Work [Dragon's Head]

[Angelstein]

What a drama queen! Your really showing your age now mate!

You flatter yourself if you think anybody would give you enough thought to even hate you.

EDIT: Erklaerbar makes a good point. That really is probably the most polite way to let people know

[Argyll9846]

We all have to start someplace and there isn’t really much point in telling a total beginner that their work isn’t any good as they don’t yet have the skil and proficiency to get the best out of the product. I think it’s up to the more skilled people in the community to encourage beginners by offering suggestions, not negative comments.

[Freakish]

Where did I tell him that his work isn’t any good? I didn’t say that the Rating did. I said that he didn’t put any effort into it.

In no way are you done. You haven’t put any effort into that.

Everyone just started bashing me after that like my post said “YOU SUCK YOU’LL NEVER BE GOOD AT ZBRUSH, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.”

I said that he didn’t put much work into his model.

Look at the model. He hit a point and just stopped working on the model. How much work do you figure he put into tha… 10 maybe 20 minutes?

They kept going on about it so I said that I would stop posting negative comments.

I’ll stop posting negative comments but there is no way in hell that I am going to comform with the rest of you. Lazy modeler no longer fear, you’re safe from the truth.

-I’m done here-

Then Angelstein made it personal by not bashing what I said, but insulting me directly.

Your very full of yourself aren’t you Freakish? And your whole attitude absolutely stinks mate! There are ways of saying something isn’t very good without being so negative and arrogant about it. Ever heard of ‘tactfulness’? It’s a sign of respect and good manners. Lets see some of your masterful work, or are you a ‘lazy modeler’?

And I would agree, you are ‘done’ here. Frankly I don’t think anyone will respect your opinion in here ever again.

I only have 73 posts on this forum and Angelstein insults me directly (like he knows me) so I posted this.

Here is my first model (ever) I hit a point when I could think of anything else to do with it. The reason you don’t see a bunch of my work on here is because I won’t post anything of mine usless I know it’s the best that I can do.

I am only disrespectful when I truly think that someone is submitting work that they know is bad. Look here and here.

I don’t care about what people think of me. I am who I am and I don’t intend to change any time soon. Everyone can love me, they can all hate me, I DO NOT CARE.

I have learnt so many types of computer media and on every message board there are the people that post crap after crap until everyone is beaten down into thinking it’s good. In Flash people would leave backgrouds on their sprites. In Remixing music people would use 32kb audio clips. In photoshop people would just mass filiters. This list goes on. 98% of the posts on this forum are pure gold but the other 2% look like they were made by beating a piece of clay with a big stick.

Everyone may hate me for posting like this but I don’t care, I will not let myself be beaten down.

Oh and to top it off Angelstein insults me once again.

What a drama queen! Your really showing your age now mate!

You flatter yourself if you think anybody would give you enough thought to even hate you.

EDIT: Erklaerbar makes a good point. That really is probably the most polite way to let people know

Angelstein since you want to make this personal I guess it’s my turn to bash you. First you’re a post whore, I looked through your posts maybe two of them are helpful, I may post a negative commet maybe 1 in ever 25 posts but I am trying to help people 4 out of 5 times. Also you’re a hypocrite you sit there and ask to see my work, what have you posted? NOTHING that’s what. Then you lecture me about tactfulness and two posts down you post this

I could really go to town after that post, but I’ll show some tact

^^Isn’t that rude? Ironic isn’t it.^^

–Your move–

[furrykef]

What about my thoughts? Are they not worth considering or something?

[Freakish]

Do you feel left out?

[Angelstein]

Look mate, I’m not going to get caught up in this childish tit-for-tat idiocy!

I’ve reported this flaming to the moderators. Why you’re spouting all this childish nonsense is beyond me, you ‘seem’ to think we actually give a damn what you think! Just who are you addressing in this post? Nobody is even faintly interested.

99% of my posts offer encouragement, praise and point people in the right direction, that IS help in most peoples book. Although obviously not yours.
Ask anyone here if they have seen me praise others? Then ask the same of you!

Also, I have posted some WIP, if you can’t even navigate the site to find it that’s your look out.

[Angelstein]

Before this post gets locked/edited/deleted or whatever, I just want to apologise to poor old Stefan! He posts his work in good faith and all this kicks off! This is not the norm for this site, believe me, before I even registered I browsed this site for several weeks, and the majority of people are very helpful, pleasant and friendly. So don’t give up just because of some unkind comments

By the way Freakish, you’re on my ‘Ignore list’ so your post’s don’t even show up anymore, handy that, filters out the crap I’d advise others to stick him on theirs :lol:

[system]

hi!

this is an amazing site, one of the best. Im so glad i happened to find this on the big web…
Im really interested in drawing and would like to proceed in that…so would some tell me what kind of program you use on your work and all other that may e important…

thanx…im fresh, so please forgive me for my dull question…but im here to learn.

[system]

Hi You!
This is the most amazing site I have seen…you all are very, very good at making monsters. I have never done this kind of work myself(I draw and paint)but never on my pc. I would really like to learn more…will any of you give me the nedet equipment-list to create my own monsterworld…hehe.

[system]

Sorry for late post guys,

No problem guys, i know my work is bad (but it was really, like first time i ever created something from zsphere), but even now, i started to get shape of dragon’s head nicely!

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(Again, dont just get me wrong, okay? ;))

But my point of this treat, isnt meant to be -see my kickass grandfather’s face, it is meant to be, how to paint & rotate model in same time.

So no problem on those “bad” comments, i want to hear whats good, and what’s bad in further.

Start with some easier things, to get an idea, of how 3D Tools work. Start with clean Poly-modelling, box-modelling, etc…
Im not begginer in 3d, i was in CG for 1-2 years, but i mosly done cars, houses and those box-modeling objects, to start head from box is kinda hard for me, that why i bought this piece of software.But ZBrush is totaly new expirience, its like a new dimension, so i’ll need a more time, before i can create something usefull.
You can find some of my works and tutorials on 3dbuzz.com.

Bye all, hope you hear soon!
-Stefan

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[coye]

Im repeating myself here, but, like in any physical form of sculpture, try to get form at the lowest detail of level… Only up the Sdivides when you really really need to.

Muyu’s work always pops in my mind regarding this check the ‘An Old’ bust half way down of this page

Have fun.

[system]

Hi all again!
I have finally finished my dragon’s (as first normal work) modeling part, and before going into painting, i want to hear some critics and what i should add/delete, tweak…

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[abraXas]

this is what i should do to improve your model, a little stretching here and there (eyebrows, mouth…). and don´t hurry up with wrinkles and details., it´s the funny part, but first attend to general shape. save several versions of your model and don´t be afraid of experiment with drastic changes of shape moving points.

hope to be a help. go on.

[abraXas]

sorry, missed this :lol:

[system]

Thanks for reply, and nice skatch btw

Did u mean something like this, perhaps

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Tweak:
-Stretched Eyebrown
-Stretched “Down” Mouth side

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[cspalak]

At this point I would start working on refining your dragon to make it more realistic, unless your going for the cartoony look. I would work on the tongue, and make it flatter, widen it out, less lumpy and more tongue like. Then after that I would work on defining the gums, mouth area so it better represented a cavity/mouth. Also with the gums I would work on setting the teeth in the gums, making it look more like normal teeth.

[abraXas]

well, that´s close to what i mean, but u must decide the final look: realistic, cartoon…and go for it. anyway, i should stretch that head even more, and smooth tongue

[system]

Ok yes i already have idea, and i will try to do it & post tomorrow!
I will go for realistic look, and if i cant make it, then ill stick with cartoon one!

P.S. Do you know where can i get some nice alphas? :rolleyes:

Thanks for replys
-Stefan

[system]

Little Update:

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Tweaks:
-Added some details on whole head
-Scaled(up) Head A Bit
-Applyed Skin + Light (for preview)
-Smoothed Toungh a bit
-Shaped A Mouth A Bit

ToDo:
-Smooth more tough
-Add some alphas(WHERE CAN I FIND MORE?)
-Transport to Maya
-Do A MentalRay Render
-End Of Model

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[Angelstein]

Here’s some Alphas for you matey http://www.southerngfx.co.uk/general/resources/alpha/alpha.htm

Check out the rest of Glen Southerns site. He’s the No.1 Zbrush man as far as I’m concerned! Pity he rarely visits these parts anymore, although I’ve looked at a lot of old posts, and he was basically one of THE backbone members of this site by the looks of things.

You certainly a very fast learner mate. Wish I could get such nice, natural looking renders with zbrush! What skin material did you use, and lighting?

Hope the Alphas help

EDIT: Here’s some FREE Glen Southern Tut’s I found useful, I’m sure you will also http://www.kurvstudios.com//free_tutorials/zbrush_free_tutorials.php?s=-1&u=2131