New Works

[SpiritDreamer]

RABITT...MIDIOT...Are you two having fun talking to yourselves..Seeing how neither of you have threads, and are just observers on this forum, do you think you have the right to do what you are doing, and to totally ignore the policy of this forum..which is to be contructive and not destructive..ect. ect. ect. PERIOD...
Please remove your post from my sketchbook thread, or do I have to contact the administrator to have him or her do it.
MODERATOR TAKE NOTICE
THANK YOU

Talster ..THANK YOU..Glad to hear that my work has inspired you..
Santis..THANK YOU ..Seeing the painting process is always useful, and a great way to learn..which is what this forum is all about..

Painting posted above was created by me using the photo posted below as refference.

[benwin21]

beautiful painting. did you used zsketch to draw it?

[lemonnado]

It would be very refreshing if the purely destructive people without any benefit in their posts other than to disrupt would stop posting in public and switch to PM. If you do not have anything good to say, then do not say anything. Smearing accusations around while hiding behind the anonymity off the web is not bringing any credibility to the hate mail floating around here like BP Gulf Oil.

Please, let's cheer up, give valid feedback and be civilized. SD can take a good pull on his leg, but constantly setting him on fire and provoking him is only a sign of poor character. There are SD pieces I do not like, but there are SD pieces I do like a lot. Regardless of what I like or not, SD has my respect. In the end of the day, regardless how you look at the results, SD creates.

Can't wait for the next controversial piece . Maybe something more cheerful, or brighter.... Maybe a Rabbit77 with a rainbow sprouting out of his.... lol... maybe not...

Cheers up folks! We have enough problems without bickering in petty wars among ourselves.

Rainer

[SpiritDreamer]

Lemo..THAK YOU..Very Much appreceated..
I live right across the street from the beach, and have seen Boston Harbor go from the dirtiest and most polluted water system in the U.S. to the cleanest..Took about ten years, alot of money, and a new sewerage plant to get to that point, but it was well woth the time and effort put out by alot of people who want to leave behind something that is better for their children than what they themselves have inherited.
Now me and my wife and our new one year old grandchild can go swimming in clean water and enjoy a clean beach.
So you see ,..This latest of many oil disasters is not a distant abstract reality to me and mine...It's as real as it gets, and even thought, I prefer fantasy when doing my art, I also cannot ignore reality in my art when that reality slappes me in the face..so to speak.
I will for sure do more pleasent pieces in the future,..but for now..first things first..
Only an ostrich sticks it's head in the sand when trying to avoid what is happening...I'm no ostrich....I'm just an old dog trying to learn some new tricks is all...
Anyway thanks again Lemo

Benwin. Thank You.. ..I just use a big brush to eyeball and blockin the color values that I see...No drawing involved in the process,..Just painting.
CHEERS

[EricShawn]

I like the skeleton / woman / earth painting above. Good one, and now THAT may be your best 3D image in this thread, if I may say.

And your 2D woman image is simply fabulous, of course. What was that done in?

[SpiritDreamer]

Thanks Eric
That woman was origially painted by me in the Corel Painter program,..Just using her as a learning device in ZBRUSH at the moment...Making something new from something old.

[Rabbit77]

and then you can have your peace.
As for Lemmo - man if you can only read my previous statement you will see that I asked for clarification because I could smell a rat.
To illustrate my statement I have quickly made an image that superimposes the original photo he used over his so called end result.
If you know anything about art from life drawing or even from images then there are always deviations and these are a natural result and then when you see an image like this it smacks of tracing or even reverse engineering using some oil paint like filter etc.
I hope I am wrong but judge for yourselves.
This is exactly why I asked for the reference material.
I have had students who tried this trick and believe me they always get found out.

PS Everybody has the right to question anything and if you think that is "hate" then you are a total fool.
END OF POST and END OF INTEREST !

[joe55]

remove the pic Chewlew. you have no work posted or linked back to who you are, must be nice.
the guy is trying and clearly improving as he continues to post. his art is bothering a large portion of people on this forum so it must be doing something right.

[michalis]

@Chewlew, you don't have the rights to do this, that's sad, what else can I say...
You are not helping yourself or others this way.
The best way when you don't like something is to write nothing, don't even vote. Its easy. Please!
If this forum is a place of opportunities to success, if we're talking about career or about money then you'll never see me again here. I was trying to learn this app, I may trash it in the end just to get ride of all these. Sorry to say these, sorry for my english too.

Keep your good work SpiritDreamer, I personally like your 'bad' work either.

[Ares1979]

Hey Spirit, Ive been following your thr4ead for some time now and have seen petty people come and go some slaining your work others loving it some saying 'ok this guys different' im gonna go a bit simon cowell on yah right now ok? i can see you are a very talented artist, while others wont like many others will. its funny because your work (as im sure sum1 once said, is what your username is very dreamlike, but most of all yah can tell a story, (especially like the oil buisness one among many others)
yeah yah need to brush up more on anatomy
yeah yah need to brush up on composition/lighting etc, but thats what this ****s all about, were all on a learning curve here, the points im making out here i also say for myself as im only learning too, its very early days for me in this field, i stepped outta iraq (whilst serving the british army after 6 years) and turned to my love of art.
you have held yah chin high and plodded along as many a punk that got nuffin better to do, wanna try and smack yah down, yah a good artist man keep at it, i do have dreams like these thats why your stuffs real man. you can paint them well

[joe55]

the work has technically been improving, his 2d stuff is quite awesome. but what i like most about this thread is its actually quite inspiring, i appreciate the thought and creativity behind his ideas. he is trying to say something with each picture, whether you get it or not, its a breath of fresh air on the zb forum.

[SpiritDreamer]

THANK YOU guys for all of the support..Much appreceated...and like the man said..we are all here to learn..when learning stops, ignorance begins.

Rabbit 77..I don't have a desire, or a need to trace...I have the learned skill to see what i'm looking at. Comes from many years of art school, alot of studies and some great teachers along the way.
I did over 22 of those Open Figure Drawing Workshops in the Artistic Anatomy Forum..I put in alot of effort and hours doing each one of those workshops...
Before you call someone a cheat,liar,fraud ect.,.. you should at least confirm and be able to back up what you claim to be true about that person.
Just because an image is like the reference, doesn't mean it is a tracing, it means that the person who painted it knows how to see and also knows what they are looking at, and how to describe what they are seeing.
If you ever take the time to check out those Open Figure Drawing Workshops in the Artistic Anatomy Forum over at CG TALK, You will see works alot closer to the likeness of the models than mine.
Some of mine are way off the mark, and some are spot on..The outcome depends on alot of things..my feelings toward the subject, my mood that day..ect. ect. ect.
Just because you have caught some of your students tracing, doesn't intitle you to call everyone who does a nice and acurate job.. a cheat,liar,fraud ect.
I really really pitty your students if that is the case with you., and I for one surely would never want to be a student of a teacher who accused me of cheating every time I did a good job...But then again, I really have my doughts that you are a teacher, or would ever be allowed to be one...not with the way you have handled yourself in this forum.
If you are a teacher, ..PROVE IT..Show us what you and your students can do, ..and I don't mean opening up a thread that mocks someone elses work by using that persons work instead of his own as Chewlew does...I mean a serious thread with serious works and studies in it..Yours and examples of your students works.
You like to dish it out, but are you man enought to take it...As is said in the U.S. ...PUT UP, OR SHUT UP..
You've just been challenged ...are you man enought to except it, or are you going to continue to hide in the shadows as you cast your stones.
Let us see what you've got to offer this learning forum, besides insults, and insinuations.

[Framedworld]

This guys sketch has become anything but. Spiritdreamer has become a pseudo celebrity for very negative reasons.
Now not taking either side I really don't think we really need to keep issues like this going. If he traced it so what? I know many artists using projection and round about tracing methods to keep realism in their work. If he didn't even better. But at the end of the day, who gives a ****? I mean really, have none of you nothing better to do than pester this guy? What is the gain. Are you that deaparate to have the last word? Then have it. Now go back to making pieces using a software we all love. They are his paintings, however he acquired them or created them is irrelevant, for he was given rights to use it. However he uses it is his own damn business. I see no financial gain, and I won't call him a plagerist until I see proof of such, which I have not.
All I see here is a guy making pieces and having fun. His art might miss the mark sometimes, but so what? Who CARES?! It's his damn thread, he may post whatever he likes.
I admit I wish some of his pieces I wish he finished, but he likes them as is, and you know what? HE'S ALLOWED TO. Cause they're his pieces. He's not making them for you, he's making them for him and him alone.

Now honestly enough stress has been put on this man, for stupid reasons.
Spiritdreamer, do not call them out, you're sinking lower becaus of all this mess, get your head about you, please. No one need be an artist to judge your work, one need be a person, keep that in mind. It's truly unfortunate to have such a tainted thread on this forum.

This was this man's personal journey to use zbrush as an aid to other pieces. Whether they were sucessful was not for us to say, as these were all experimental.

I say spiritdreamer post some newer paintings, something a little stylized, purposely off reference for the sake of art. Just shut them up.

Then we'll all just move along.

Good night

[SpiritDreamer]

LOL... Are you guys still ranting and raving...Only makes you look more foolish ...you know..maybe not.
I'm not above saying i'm sorry if I have done wrong or offended someone...As seems to be the case with a few in this skecthbook of mine...So SORRY....In my eyes, that is a true sign of maturity.
As far as that tracing issue goes, I thought my description hand written along side of each step was pretty clear as to how I got to the next step...Maybe not enought for a few people I guess.
So here is the part that I forgot to mention..I taught it to a few people in the anatomy forum, and it really helped them to see things differently and clearer when doing work from a photo....And it is so simple that even a child could understand it.
All you do to capture a perfect likeness when working from a photo,..is to forget about the subject in the photo, and concentrate on the negitive space surrounding it..You will find in most cases that the negative spaces surrounding the figure or whatever are really simple shapes and easy to create..They are like simple abstract pieces in a jigsaw puzzle, and not very complicated at all...Get those simple shapes right and in place that surround the figure or whatever the subject may be, and the subject cannot be off in the slightest..it's an impossibility..
So their you have it..
Sorry I left that part out,.I forgot that not everybody would know about the negative space approach to getting a perfect likeness...It's just one approach of many, and never fails.
CHEERS

[SpiritDreamer]

WIP.