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dreamz
08-14-10, 09:42 PM
I can't keep using the Dreamz First Attempt thread - I'm a Senior Member now (What? Already?) - so here's a new one.

This is an update of my still unfinished Angler Fish sculpt. I never finish any of 'em, I find Sculptris too exciting and wanna try something new all the time. Speaking of which, this is the first time I've painted in Sculptris. Alas, due to my oft mentioned graphics card problem, I have the option of either having one material, or non but the option to paint. Madness. Anyway, I chose to paint this time. Here's the result so far:

Angler Fish Latest.jpg

I've added the glowing light using Paint.Net :)

dreamz
08-14-10, 09:46 PM
:o.....said the actress.

F i L
08-14-10, 09:52 PM
nice :tu: i always enjoy the atmosphere in your images.

ps. welcome to the seniors member club. No discounts, but we do get to act posh and look down our noses all day :D

cherio chap!

dreamz
08-14-10, 09:59 PM
we should at least get the occasional biscuit, and a shawl made of baby hair.

F i L
08-14-10, 10:07 PM
LOL wut?


...i want one.

dreamz
08-14-10, 10:09 PM
Knowing my luck, I'd get a biscuit made of baby hair. :confused:

dreamz
08-14-10, 10:12 PM
:lol:

sculptrisnewb
08-14-10, 10:20 PM
I want in on this club :lol:

FatherChristmas
08-14-10, 10:25 PM
I tried to PM you dreamz, but I guess I can't do that yet, as I just reigstered a few minutes ago.
I also posted in your old thread, regarding your computer. Perhaps we could talk over email or something? I might be able to help you out with the graphics card problem.
my email is 20percentoff - on gmail.

InkySpot
08-15-10, 06:05 AM
Excellent Atmosphere and textures

dreamz
08-15-10, 06:42 AM
And you want in on this club? You've got it! You can have my place. ;)

dreamz
08-15-10, 09:09 AM
Here's the latest version. It's basically more post production. The composition isn't great- there are too many focal points eg. the light, the fish and the sub are all competing for attention. And I'm not sure that what I've added to the environment adds anything to the image really. There are now too many textures.

One thing I will be adding is some kind of sub-aquatic mountain range in order to give a better sense of scale. Currently, the angler fish looks regular-sized, so the submarine looks like a toy. Not what I'm after at all.

Angler Fish Sub.jpg

mermaidine
08-15-10, 10:00 AM
oh i like the big hunting fish:D :D although I do sincerely hope he doesn't get a hickup when swallowing this nasty thing...:lol:

InkySpot
08-15-10, 11:26 AM
What's the club about, I'm down, let me know the rules.

CaptainNemo
08-15-10, 12:05 PM
congrats about the new thread ...
and it's a scary monster ...
:)

dreamz
08-15-10, 02:38 PM
Does anyone know the minimum graphics card requirements in order to run Sculptris properly? I know there's an issue with ATI cards and McCrea, does the same hold true for Sculptris when it comes to shaders? Thanks.

And thanks Captain and Inky for the comments. :D

F i L
08-15-10, 03:47 PM
I don't believe there's an issue with ATi and MaCrea, but Intel Integrated/Mobile graphics and MaCre.... pretty much everything.

it's kinda hard to give advice about graphics hardware without knowing the rest of your rig. not all graphics cards work (or work well) with other hardware (best practice not to mix 'n match Intel with AMD).

To get system specifications, right-click on "MyComputer" (WinXP) and get the properties.

dreamz
08-15-10, 05:15 PM
I used CPU-Z to find out the info on my motherboard and graphics card. The fact is my computer is five years old! The reason I've stuck with it so long without a single upgrade is that I have never had a problem with it, and it has handled everything thrown at it...up until now and the shaders issue.

celtic3d
08-15-10, 07:02 PM
My uncle always said nature is not nice, it's out to get you! Absolutely love this one! :cool:

dreamz
08-15-10, 09:06 PM
I speak from bitter experience. I still believe to this day that my grandmother's chinchilla ate her cat.
Gran had tried to slide her foot into the chinchilla, thinking it was her slipper. Well, we really saw nature red in tooth and claw that day. The damned thing ran amok. Totally wrecked the house. I'm sorry, I can't continue, it was too horrible. :cry:

Thanks for your comment. I'll return the compliment, if and when you actually start Sculptrising again.:p

wshark
08-16-10, 05:50 PM
Cool effect and painting.
I like sea creatures ;)

celtic3d
08-17-10, 09:30 PM
Well you should have urinated into the goldfish bowl and scolded the chinchilla! The gold fish aren't too smart but they fight dirty when the are p-s-ed off ... literally! Rumor has it that they were actually placed on earth by the collective to ward off Grimaldian stink beasts.

More fish pics please.:)

dreamz
08-17-10, 10:09 PM
Makes you go blind apparently. Grimaldian stink beasts?! :lol: I'll definitely be having a go at sculpting one of those.

Here's a WIP. Called something like 'Old Luna Mortbloods's Butterfly Net'. She grows flowers especially to attract butterflies....which she then eats because she believes they keep her looking beautiful. :D

The Butterfly Net.jpg

F i L
08-17-10, 11:06 PM
great character & composition, dreamz :tu: awesome art

dreamz
08-17-10, 11:15 PM
Coming from someone with your ability, that's quite a compliment. :)

Taron
08-17-10, 11:30 PM
Ohohoho, man, that's fantastic! I can't wait to see her done! :eek: :D
Very beautiful in every regard! :tu: (...well, almost! :lol: )

_jms_
08-18-10, 01:29 AM
It seems that you need to a 100% compatible opengl card, something that ATI's cards have never been completely.
Let me show you an example of problem i got with one of the PCs that i used these last months (AMD proc with an integrated ATI card) :
sculptris_test-89-paint-ati.jpg
Most of the models i did with sculptris were also made on an very old computer under win xp pro with 2 GO of ram and a 6200 nvidia card.

CaptainNemo
08-18-10, 09:23 AM
Wow ... It's AWESOME Dreamz ! :lol:
really love the character, the pose and the concept ...
:tu::tu::tu::tu::tu:

celtic3d
08-18-10, 09:48 AM
=3 x :tu:
Wow I go awal for a day or two and you've made and rendered at least three new original high quality sculpts ... and you're funny!! What has Derryk been feeding you?

The insectiverous hag is sooo precious and scary too! :cool: :tu:

dreamz
08-18-10, 01:52 PM
I'm currently on the planet Zqpbmwdxp in the Pantz quadrant. Time works differently here, there's just more of it. Derrick has been tailing me for the whole day in his tiny bubbleship, but he hasn't a hope of catching me: he's far too easily distracted by shiny things, and as you know, Zqpbmwdxp is the glitterball manufacturing hub of the Pantz quadrant, that's why it's a disco hotspot.

I've just been messing around in Sculptris and made a very basic face, but I liked the emotion in it so painted it - not in Sculptris.

The Bad dream.jpg

dreamz
08-18-10, 01:53 PM
Oh, and I've decided it's called The Bad Dream

dreamz
08-18-10, 04:43 PM
...this elegant, hand-crafted ****roach pendant.

Renowned the world over for their indestructibility, the ****roach is a symbol of endurance. Now this verminous pest has been captured in luxurious fake gold and plastic rubies for that special lady to wear close to her heart, and her boobies. It is a gift she will never ever...ever forget. or forgive you for.

****roach Pendant jpg.jpg

dreamz
08-18-10, 04:44 PM
Ok, it isn't exactly photo-realistic, it was just me playing with a few materials for half an hour.

dreamz
08-18-10, 04:47 PM
You'll just have to guess what the insect is. Hmmmm, difficult.:confused:

F i L
08-18-10, 05:25 PM
lmao @ your commentary :lol:

painted with sculptris?

dreamz
08-18-10, 05:38 PM
I took four screenshots of the insect, each a different material. I then put each on a seperate layer in Paint.Net, and cut out certain areas in order for the various materials to show in different places.
I opened another layer with a heart sculpt I'd done. Reduced it's size and duplicated it a few times. Dull, but the only way.

sculptrisnewb
08-18-10, 09:39 PM
Dude!!!! I got it its the Lurrrrve Bug!!:D

FatherChristmas
08-19-10, 03:34 AM
Is it the love bug virus that went around in the early 90's?

celtic3d
08-19-10, 09:02 AM
That one was more commonly known as the clap. :p
Though technically it not a virus but is a bacteria. :rolleyes:

dreamz
08-19-10, 10:46 AM
You are presented with a bejeweled work of art, hand-crafted by machines, and the response? Smut! :D

dreamz
08-19-10, 05:26 PM
I've not long since started work on my first figure study. I changed the material a couple of times and ended going off on a bit of a tangent as usual.
As you can see, the figure is nothing like finished, and the whole thing is sketchily done but I just wanted to get the idea down.

The one on the left would be called 'What Will Remain (When We Are Gone).
The one on the right is something to do with art and the artist.

What Remains.jpg

celtic3d
08-19-10, 08:38 PM
I like the idea :cool::tu::cool:

Introduce another figure and somehow relate the three and you will be citing the great European tradition of the triptych. These works spanned the ages from the Byzantine to the Renaissance and were extremely powerful expressions of social and religious beliefs. Situated in our post-modern era we can expand the conceptual standing and use the genre with great effect.

Just thought I would trot that out there for you ... no pressure ;)

BTW I think Derrik better recharge his side arms because rummour has it that the Tularian dinkmas true bloods and clones will be swarming to quadrant xray where they will spawn. If he does not get there early it is going to get disgustingly messy with several types of cloacal exuda and pheromonal excretions. This of course will be followed by a stamped of stink beasts who will enthusiastically deploy there own genetic contributions ... really really yucky! :p

F i L
08-19-10, 09:28 PM
hey dreamz, nice work on the figures :tu: they look very accurately portioned, and as always, i enjoy your atmosphere and the thought behind the image. ;)

dreamz
08-19-10, 11:03 PM
Dreamz makes a steeple with his fingers, looks pained for a moment as he gazes into the distance, as if somehow drawing on eternity, then makes this pronouncement:

This piece is already a triptych, the third figure being the viewer himself as he interacts with the space in an attempt to find his place within it. I reference Christian iconography both to revue it's stance on the sacrificial male persona and to revile its reactionary values in the context of contemporary gender identity. Reference is also made to the narcissism of Anthony Gormley, a man who seeks to populate the world with casts of his own body, thus colonizing it with his own ego. American Expressionism is represented by the painter being overwhelmed by his paint. I am also dialoguing artist Marc Quinn's 'Blood Head' and am replying 'Ice Body'. Clearly, an eloquent allusion to the two brain hemispheres is also made, as is an evocation of the Buddhist concept of perpetual change and the Buddha's three bodies of enlightenment -The Trikaya of classical Mahayana theory....and.....and some s**t about The Spanish Civil War. :lol:

As for Tularian Dinkma developments, The Company is aware of the situation and will respond systematically and brutally.

dreamz
08-19-10, 11:10 PM
Thanks as always FiL for your kind comments. I read your Dear Dr. Petter thread earlier. While, frankly, I don't know what the hell you are talking about:confused: you clearly do. I'm full of admiration that such knowledgeable people are using Sculptris. Please let us know if you get a favourable response. If you don't then keep it quiet. :lol:

Teria
08-19-10, 11:18 PM
Looks cool. :) I'm looking forward ton the finished piece. And LOL at the censored roach. :D

dreamz
08-19-10, 11:23 PM
Yeah, they are a bit strict about language on here! :D

celtic3d
08-20-10, 01:37 PM
Woohoo you ride 'em Post modern cowboy! Great reply made grin ear to ear to ear!! :D Actually you really hit on something with including the viewer as part of the work. The reflection of the viewer maybe? Or maybe write a little Flash app that would use a web cam. I have to teach a programing course this September, that could be the theme of a culminating assignment :cool:

dreamz
08-20-10, 02:05 PM
I'm just relieved that you could see I wasn't being serious. There was the danger that I'd come across as the world's most pretentious a**hole! :D I was being a bit satirical about the ridiculous jargon and wordy nonsense uttered by some arty types.

If it sparked some idea about viewer participation, more power to ya. I think the idea of a reflection using a webcam is a great one. A semi-transparent image of the viewer superimposed upon a specially-selected image is interesting. If the overlaying image somehow altered that which was beneath it or vise versa, then it could be interesting. Or bluescreening (I think it's green screen now) them and placing them against a backdrop of their own art or photography. Hmmm. Interesting. Modern technology makes everything possible, it's just knowing how to do it that's the pain.

Must go: there is a cluster of insect-sized space vessels hovering around the garden - I must intercept them

False alarm. They were bees.

F i L
08-20-10, 02:56 PM
LOL bees, you always manage to make me laugh. i'm starting to think there really is a ministry of silly walks over there in England. :D

dreamz
08-21-10, 12:02 AM
and I am a senior minister. In fact, my walk is so silly it's practically life-threatening.

I've decided to post a series of piccies of the figure I'm currently working on. I wish I'd started this from the sphere onwards as I'm quite a way through it now, but there will be plenty of changes to it before I'm done. I'm pleased with the proportions so far, but as you can see there's still a lot to do.

As for the muscle groups, I've drawn some of them in with the crease tool just to give me some landmarks as to where to sculpt later. And the face is dreadful at the moment, the guy looks mildly neanderthal. Anyway, the figure so far.

Oh yeah WARNING: NUDIE DUDIE, or whatever you're meant to say. Which is a bit pointless as the image is directly beneath the warning. Be quiet, Dreamz.

My Male Nude.jpg

dreamz
08-21-10, 09:25 PM
I've been playing with the scale tool. It's a tool I hardly ever use, I don't know why it's only just occurred to me that I could use it for some serious distortion. Anyhow, I've had a quick play around with the figure I'm working on and ended up with this Super Hero/Villain type figure.

Suphero.jpg

I wish I'd shortened the arms now. Doh!

sculptrisnewb
08-21-10, 10:11 PM
Great work mate a great addition to your thread,
I have to say i'm liking the Distortion it looks a little Pixar'ish incredibl'ish.
Keep up the work flow bud i dunno how you do it..

dreamz
08-22-10, 12:11 AM
Work on the figure continues. I'm struggling with the head at the moment. I'm not happy with the size of it, it looks too small to me, yet seems to be accurate judging by the reference images I'm using. But then, I sometimes draw heads slightly larger than they should be. I dunno. Anyone else think I've got the scale wrong? Crits and advice welcome.

figuremalejpg.jpg

Lotet
08-22-10, 12:42 AM
head is a little bit to big, and the neck a tad to short, whould increase like 10-20% or something.

and ye, scale tool works great for that kinda stuff, i love tweaking proportions n such with it.

dreamz
08-22-10, 06:28 AM
Thanks for the advice Lotet.
I've just superimposed some reference images over the figure, and the scale of the head is correct. Weird then that the head looks too small to me and too large to you. It just goes to show how subjective these things are. I've decided to leave the head the size that it is for accuracy sake, even though I'd really like to enlarge it. If I reduced the head and lengthened the neck it would throw the body proportions out as I'm working on the seven and a half heads guideline. I'd originally started with seven heads but I wasn't happy with it. The neck may look shorter than it actually is because it's not meeting the torso correctly yet. Still a lot of work to do. Anway, thanks.

I forget about the scale tool because I've gotten into the habit of using the grab tool for most things. I need to experiment more.

F i L
08-22-10, 09:06 AM
great work on the figures, dreamz :tu: really like the Incredibles guy.
However, it's not the head size that's off IMO, it's the arms. On your first guy they're a bit too short, and the icredibles guy's are slightly too long. Stand in a mirror and put your arms to your sides, your elbows come down roughly to where your belly button is (or slightly above), and your hands start about where your crotch does. Of course ppl have varying arm sizes, but that's the rule of thumb.

sculptrisnewb
08-22-10, 12:04 PM
I agree with FIL on the arms but then i also agree with you the head does
look a tad to small (to me) but then hey the guy might just have a small head!

dreamz
08-22-10, 12:40 PM
What you can't see from this image is how far forward the arms are. Viewed from the side, the elbows are slightly bent and the hands are in front of the pelvis by a complete hand's width which would explain why the arms look a little short. Also the fingers need to be slightly longer and the wrists thinner.
I completely agree, the arms look too short if you believe they are straight at the elbows. I will eventually enlarge the head a touch as it's annoying me! :D
As for the Incredibles type figure, I gave it very little thought. I mean, look at his thighs! They look like two balloons. It took me five minutes as I was just playing about. It took me twice as long just to colour it. I'll have to do a more finished work using that kind of caricature style, it's fun to do.

Tartan
08-22-10, 02:37 PM
<<<<<< leans forward from his rocking chair and puts his magnifying glass close up to the screen. The proportions look just fine to me.. Remember that everyone differs anyway and average proportions are just exactly that. Average. Well done.

Lotet
08-22-10, 02:47 PM
looking at it again i have to agree with u and FIL, its not the head, its the stuff around the head lol =P

the lower parts of the legs might be a tad to short to.

dreamz
08-22-10, 03:08 PM
Thanks Tartan. The problem is that I want average, that's exactly what I'm aiming for. That's the best way for me to learn about proportions, and also I'll have a good base model which I can then change in numerous different ways to make different characters.

Lotet. Are you saying that the head is fine, but everything else is wrong! :lol: Kidding. I'm not worried about the knees at the moment, they are only crudely modelled along with most of the figure. As long as everything is more or less in the right place I'm happy at this stage. It's just the head size that was perplexing me. The next image I post of this figure should have that fixed.

dreamz
08-23-10, 08:22 PM
:cry:

Anywho, I've done a bit more work on the figure. Still not satisfied, but it's an improvement, I think. Lots of work yet to do. You don't even want to know what it looks like from the side and back. It's hard work this figure sculpting business!

manfig.jpg

And no 'peepee' yet Celtic :rolleyes:. I may add one that will frighten the horses. :D

Just noticed how small and low down the ears are. Ignore the hands, they are only sketched in at the moment.

dreamz
08-24-10, 01:32 AM
I suppose that celtic3d's fixation with my model's crotch area has unnerved me because I decided to put pants on him, then goggles, then a cap. It was only when I'd added a little colour that I realized I'd created quite possibly the world's gayest image! :lol:

Nothing wrong with that. In fact, yeah, this the latest in my line of sizzling studs. He's Sebastian, 23, lives in Florida, part-times as a fashion model, when he's not cage-fighting. For a few extra bucks, this exquisitely-detailed figure comes with cowboy outfit. Turn it inside out and voila! he's G.I. Joe.

swimmer.jpg gayswimmer.jpg

In fact, I added a few clothes just to get a better idea of whether the proportions of the figure are correct. They are not. Although he is accurate when compared to my reference images, he looks too elongated and unnatural for my liking. I'll be adjusting him quite significantly. :mad:

And what's with the pecs?! The guy's got webbed armpits! :o

Tartan
08-24-10, 04:00 AM
He looks ready to start racing and its easy to see what kind of a race. The goggles are really working well here:tu:

F i L
08-24-10, 10:57 AM
I decided to put pants on him
i've heard of skinny jeans, but English "pants" are just ridiculous. :D

btw, i think his proportions are good. and to do armpits, try pushing the pits back with Draw then Inflating them to get nice tight armpits.

and LOL @ the character description.

dreamz
08-24-10, 02:41 PM
Here they would be swimming trunks. In the US, are they swimming shorts? It's the old 'two nations divided by a common language' prob. Enlighten me somebody please....

F i L
08-24-10, 03:06 PM
we'd call that a 'Speedo' here in the states (least parts i've been in). Swimsuit is gender neutral, and all the cool kids call the most common of men's swimsuits, shorts that come to the knees, boardshorts ;).

we'd say pants for anything that covers your whole leg. i didn't realize the word had a variety of meanings :confused:

dreamz
08-24-10, 03:37 PM
Oh, OK. Here, we're more likely to call the whole leg variety 'trousers'. 'Pants' is used more loosely for trousers, shorts, underwear sometimes. Then there's 'underpants'. Swimsuit sounds feminine, to me at least. I should have just said Speedos. I'm quite tired now. :lol:

sculptrisnewb
08-24-10, 04:04 PM
Trunks!!! posing pouch!! Speedo's anything call em anything but PINK!! omg:eek:
Dude needs arresting.:lol:

dreamz
08-24-10, 04:06 PM
They are lilac! :rolleyes:.....as if that makes them more manly! :lol:

no, actually.....they are 'lavender kiss'.

Nate Owens
08-25-10, 01:42 AM
Good work.
Funny thread.

"Pants" - that's what my dog does when it's hot. :rolleyes:

dreamz
08-25-10, 05:35 AM
Interesting! My dog trousers when he's hot. He's occasionally been known to thong, but a bucket of cold water usually stops him.

dreamz
08-25-10, 11:12 AM
Yet again I sketch a fairly rough model, lose patience with it, then render it prematurely. It's meant to be a sort of 1950s robot. I just might finish one of my sculpts one day. No, I won't.

The Robots.jpg

Please bear in mind, none of the work in my threads is finished, and I am in fact a marvellous sculptor! :lol:

dreamz
08-25-10, 06:19 PM
A couple of quick head sketches.

Silly Faces.jpg

F i L
08-25-10, 09:04 PM
the second head is really good :tu: and keep practicing figures, man. You've got all the proportions down solid, at least form the front. Would like to see some 3/4 and profile shots.

dreamz
08-25-10, 09:25 PM
No you wouldn't! Trust me. My swimmer for example: young and athletic. At 3/4 view he's really let himself go, and from the back you'd swear the elephant man is hitching a ride. :D I intend to continue on with the figure until I've got it as near perfect as I can manage.
The second head (above) was going to be called La Folie De L'Absinthe. I'm quite prone to pretension, by the way.The guy was gonna be sweating profusely, monocle falling from his eye, the Eiffel Tower bursting from his skull. The trouble with Sculptris (some trouble!) is that it's so much fun to use that I always want to do something else.
Anyway, thanks for the comment FiL.

Lotet
08-26-10, 02:13 AM
haha, you should have used some flatten brush on that robot.

and about showing the figure in 3/4. thats EXATCLY what u should do, posting here is not about showing awesome sculpts, its about learning, so you need to start showing ur crappy stuff to =P

Mr.T
08-26-10, 02:32 AM
You did a really great work on the second head, I agree with F i L it's solid looking proportions there :tu:

I like your swimmer too and couldn't stop laughing with the comments you wrote about him :lol:

About the robot, did you draw some sort of sketch before? Or just go straight in Sculptris with it?

Why don't you listen to this little voice telling you that you should finish your sculpt :D

dreamz
08-26-10, 02:34 AM
Show my crappy stuff? Why? So that people like you can laugh at my fat robots?! Old Fatty The Robot wouldn't even be capable of walking. Look at the thunder thighs on him, they are practically fused together.:lol:......I mean :mad: ! So he looks like a string of silver sausages. Who are you, The Rock? :D Oh, and thanks for telling me what the Sculptris forum is for! Why, we've all just been waiting around for you to arrive and define it for us. :p

I was kidding about the 3/4 view. He's just too roughly sketched in at a the moment to bother showing. Watch this space.

Anyway, this is ALL crappy stuff. I've not posted anything that's complete, it's all just ideas. I post 'em whether they are good or bad, when I'm bored with them and want to move on to something else.

dreamz
08-26-10, 02:41 AM
Thanks Mr.T. I never work from any sketch and, apart from the swimmer, I don't use reference images. As I said about the robot for example, he wouldn't even be capable of walking! :D I was aware of that even before i rendered it, but don't care. His only function was to see how a metallic and a red glass material would look together.
I just start with the default sphere and see what happens. I'm not using Sculptris for anything serious yet. It's all still novel to me so I'm still just playing around with it. I'm working on a butterfly-eating witch at the moment, it's the first sculpt I'm starting to do properly.

Tartan
08-26-10, 02:53 AM
I really like the last 2 sculpts Dreamz:tu: Especially the rather maniacal looking fellow with the stache. Hmmmm He looks vaguely english... Self Portrait! :D It has to be. Are you kin to Snidely Whiplash :eek: :qu: Looks good man.

dreamz
08-26-10, 03:00 AM
Interesting assumptions there about my nationality and ethnicity, based solely on my geographical location. :lol: Any more stereotypes you'd like to pull out? Hahaha. And who's Snideley Whiplash? :p No he's not based in me in any way. As a matter of fact, I thought he looked French, hence the title.:D

Lotet
08-26-10, 03:05 AM
chill mate...

dreamz
08-26-10, 03:09 AM
Huh?

sculptrisnewb
08-29-10, 04:28 PM
You plenty chilled yet bud? lol anyways more great stuff from the talented Dreamz, oh by the way i see a resemblance to an old English actor
Google Windsor Davis an you'll see what i mean :D he used to do the old carry on movies but that was probably wayyy before your time!

dreamz
08-31-10, 01:57 AM
Totally chilled. Always am ( he lied). Way before my time?! I WISH! :lol: Alas, I know who Windsor Davis is and I see what you mean, Mr la-di da gunner sculptrisnewb, you lovely boy! :p