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s o u t h e r n
05-12-01, 03:39 PM
This is weird.
I have been importing all sorts of stuff into ZBrush and messing around with the object. I don`t like the results and I don`t feel as satisfied in the `creation`. It feels cheap or easy. Having spent years messing with Poser and Bryce and importing between the 2 apps I think that I`ve burnt out with all that. When I use an imported tool I feel like I`ve cheated somehow.
My god, have I turned out a purist after all these years? Have I become so attatched to one piece of software that I can`t see over the digital fence into next doors Software garden?
Hey thats an interesting composition there Southern. What an interesting blurey effect you have on the models? Was the bluring done in Photoshop? Or did you grab the screen as a large texture then cleared the layer and filled the document with the texture and then apply an effect like a low-depth fiber brush or some other kinda weird effect.
I got to agree with you on the importing, as I've been experimenting with importing objects and ... well, yeah, you do feel kinda cheap! I use an application called Creature Creator by FXRelm and like Poser the models look like they have be made in that program! Blah! I'll post an example when I get some time.
05-12-01, 06:26 PM
I have to agree with you southern. I've looked at Bryce and poser........the results from those programmes......lack a flow...reality looks forced. The models are plastic, lacking feeling.......etc.
ZBrush is freedom. It has also become a challenge....I will not (except for the odd texture) import anything into it not made in ZBrush. I find satisfaction in this way. ZBrush extends, the other programmes inhibit I feel.
As for cheating........well I'm loathe to post
finished head tools on this forum. I will post half finished heads. I have done this to give people a sense of accomplishment if they decide to finish or alter the head for their own uses......then they can rightly say it is 'theirs'.
Boy you are right about the purist thing-
sometimes I will use a Corel effect and I
always think somebody out there is saying
Aw jeez!....Look what he's doing, he's got some kind of Corel hokus pokus going on there.What a cheater!It's gotten to the point that I've even quit using lens flares.
Now watch my next post will have nine hundred
lens flares and 40-50 effects.Aw jeez look what he's doing!
05-12-01, 07:41 PM
I guess I shouldn't waste my money on Poser then, huh? ;)
I think we are in infancy with computer graphics applications. Not so much the features or effects, but the philosophy behind them. A computer graphics program practically defines a style today. Look at Renderosity. The galleries are segmented by program. I guess thatís OK, but I wonder how people would feel about some of that stuff if there were no program labels
Why do we have to say: "That's a great Poser image"? Perhaps we can just take in the beauty of it all, no mater what tools were used.
It's hard for an artist to look at an image and not want to know what tools were used. And then take their knowledge of that tool to judge the art.
One of the ways I am affected by this is with the comparison of Frazetta and Boris. I like Frazetta's work much more. Always have, but ever since I found out that Boris uses photographs to paint from, I like his work even less. Why? That's just plain silly! It's just a tool.
I have seen lots of crap created with Poser, but that is not the tools fault. I think the trick is, to find a style you like and are good at, and use whatever tools you can achieve that look.
There is an art form in using all those tools and an art form in combining them...
s o u t h e r n
05-13-01, 12:07 AM
I think I`m, amongst other things, a big hipocrit. I agress with a lot of whats been said. Especially the bit about over use of filters of which I am guilty at times. Remember when every image had a page curl from Kai Power Tools?
I love Bryce and I love Poser. CDE, get Poser if you can. What I have been frustrated with is the use of models created in Poser. I still like to use Poser and yes there is a lot of `shuvelled` artwork done in Poser but there is also the work of People like Wil Kramer (http://www.earthcurves.com) that is groundbreaking.
Then look at Clay`s (http://www.phase2.net/claygraphics/) website and try to tell me that Bryce isn`t just the best landscape/anyscene creator ever.
Anyhoo, see ya later,
05-13-01, 02:41 PM
Isn't Poser the only prog. of it's kind? I really like it because once you get the pose you need the fun comes in trying to paint on clothes and make it look natural as possible. Of course this ZBrush genre is more fun than anything. The sharing and viewing other work is groundbreaking for me. Art is LIFE!
Thanks, SOuthern, for those GREAT links. I haven't seen too many of such UN-Poserly Poser pics before.
As for me, I use any program that will get the job done quickly. After all, time is money. But, this is not the only reason. I can create today in a couple of hours or days what use to take me weeks or months.
Again, we have to remember, as artists, we want to create. And the computers and the programs we use on them are only tools. Wonderful tools that help us speed up our creations so that we can move on to the next one. We can see this on the internet and in our favorite magazines. Yes, each program has it's own look and feel (oh, you can tell that is a Poser model or, that sky was created in Bryce or, that was rendered in 3DStudio Max etc). But it is up to each one of us to use these programs in combo to get our own feel. Heck, the proof was at Zacademy and here at Zbrush central.
Digits, Southern, Pixolator and I and many others use ZBrush. But yet, each one of our images looks different. Because we are using different 'styles'. ZBrush is 'simply' another tool for us to get our work done quicker. Another tool to help us as artist accomplish what we see in our mind.
So, I do not see this as cheating or as an easy way out. I see new technologies such as ZBrush as fantastic opportunities for the artist.
Can you imagine if our teachers/masters had these digital opportunities? How much more of their work we all could have been enjoying today?
I consider my fellow ZBs and myself digital purist . Why? Because we are not in front of our computers yet and simply telling them "Computer, use Rembrants art style and Southerns art style and Will Kramers art style and create me an image. Ah, thatís perfect. Now let me go sell it". Get my point. We are all still (thank GOD) sweating away day and night 'creating' just like our artistic heroes did. The only difference is, we are using computers.
So, I am not ashamed in anyway to tell folks I create art using great programs like ZBrush. I would simply tell our critics "Now you have the opportunity to see 'more' of my art".
And the crowds cheered. :)
Saul Dragon Orihuela
PS: Thank you Pixolator for creating such a wonderful progam (tool). :)
I agree totally with everyone here. The magic comes from the artist not the tool. Broken down to the bare minimum, a paint-brush is a tool and if you use your finger, that also is a tool. It is the extension of those tools that come from within to express something that has never been before. That to me makes the art.
It would be very difficult to be a pure purist, we'd have to crush rocks, strain flowers, drain blood just like the prehistoric artists of the past. Heh, if it weren't for our tool using brain we'd still have a peaceful and stressless life eatin bananas
05-15-01, 06:11 AM
Tools are simply tools, ZBrush just happens to be one of the more versatile and fun to use tools. :) We as digital artists use what tools feel right for the project at hand. The common bond in all of our works is creativity. That is the one talent that ties everything else together. :)
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