*** More about ZBrush 3.5

[Chamelion]

AmaziNG!!!

[RawSunlight]

Not quite sure how some people can get upset about it being late...par for the course with any software these days, if there are bugs then they need to be ironed out. What'd be the point of releasing software that's going to fail to work properly, or crash, or even lose you work?
I've been in games development for more years than i care to remember, (and sure, we release patches for buggy games) and bug testing/ fixing is fraught with pitfalls and knock-on consequences...
You fix one thing only to cause something else to fall over, inevitable with any complex software - I hate to think how many lines of code lie at the heart of zbrush!
Give the guys a break, and remember - it's worth the wait!!!

btw - maybe the question we should be asking is:
Do Pixologic need any testers???
I have lots of experience - GRIN -

[konjo kothar vignar]

i jus finished a week long drinking binge because my body just couldnt handle another day. i thought this would help speed up time , and zsphere 2 still hasnt been released. im gonna take 4 zanex, and black out. hopefully tomorrow when i wake up it will be released? ::chugs bottle of pills::

[splodge]

Maybe Pixologic will announce that they're releasing ZBrush 3.49 tonight and 3.5 next week.

[cami2k]

oooo my.........

[cresshead]

so, sometime this week...okay back to zb3 for the time being then:tu:

[Madam Yes]

This is looking very cool. Can't wait :)

[toonafish]

Damn, I actually hoped they would make the announced release date this time around.

If it's not ready, don't release it, and it's yet another free update which is amazing and I really appreciate it. But I really don't get why they keep making the same mistake over and over again an miss every release date. Why not announce an end September release for the users, but keep an earlier deadline internally?

[RawSunlight]

They'd already have done that with this August date? ;)

[Richard Marklew]

Damn, I actually hoped they would make the announced release date this time around.

If it's not ready, don't release it, and it's yet another free update which is amazing and I really appreciate it. But I really don't get why they keep making the same mistake over and over again an miss every release date. Why not announce an end September release for the users, but keep an earlier deadline internally?

It is still August you know. Pixologic are based on the west coast of USA so they still have over 9 hours left before August is over. If its like previously, they may release just before midnight their local time.

Richard

[spaceboy412]

i are disappoint

[calum5ZB]

We all are in the same boat as far as this next release go's.The wait is unbearable but put your self in others shoes.How about the SOLDIER waiting for his return home!Get some perspective please.
Can you imagine all these new to(ool)ys for free!.Think again pressure pushers...
Love to Pixologic!May your army be at peace..

[thedust]

Never been so anxious for a delay!!! :D

Jokes apart, it will be a fantastic and incredible fall this year for all of us and for everyone connected with us and with our works!

[rimasson]

I'm back from holidays right on time.

[Znub]

Still nothing...? <img src="http://www.zbrushcentral.com/upload/atn.gif"> (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_zbc_display_image s)

[aleron_212]

waiting for more pain.... Pixologic... please release them....

[dirtbox]

I can't wait for the next announcement announcing an announcement!

[toonafish]

How about the SOLDIER waiting for his return home!Get some perspective please.
***** soldiers, how about the guy the gutter in Mogadishu, slowly dying and waiting for for the help that will never arrive.

duh...:rolleyes:

[Avan-AMS]

At least throw in some videos or a galleries from betas or something, anything...

[digitalmind]

You guys rocks!!Thank you for makin this awesome tool get better and better:D
I love Zbrush!!!:lol:

[wisdomknight]

I wonder if people realize that "brown nosing" doesnt work when it's concerning software releases? :rolleyes:

[Kanga]

Totally amazing!
The last vid knocked my sox off. Going back for a second viewing. Those planar brushes are like a dream come true.

It's my privilege to brown nose as much as I like, It's called appreciation. Despite comments from the peanut gallery :D.

[Clappy71]

Two things:

1) Fire your project manager.

2) Give your coders a raise.

MC

[CyberSpawn2100]

Just are reminder ...we (ZBrush user base) are getting about $1000 worth progame upgrades for F R E E! ! ! ! no other company I can think of would do this ...I thank Pixologic for stimulating this process.

[HaloAnimator]

I can hear that HD normal mapping calling my name...

[Clappy71]

Dude, no ones complaining about the product, Pixo's generosity, or the upgrade. Its the giant bong the project manager has hidden in his/her office.

[Znub]

Nope, not gonna be released today. Pixologic = Blizzard. :confused:

[calum5ZB]

[i]***** soldiers, how about the guy the gutter in Mogadishu, slowly dying and waiting for for the help that will never arrive.

duh...:rolleyes:Another out patient :p

[Bingo_Jackson]

The people complaining about the update with all the new cutting edge, industry leading tools being a few days late should *definitely* see about getting a refund for the update they paid hundreds of dollars for.

Oh wait, it's free.

If Pixo never releases another free update ever, you've more than gotten your money's worth, and they don't owe you anything.

Theyre a small group of dedicated individuals, who in the rampant climate Autodesk and general corporate bastardry do nothing but innovate, and give their tools away for free, for love of the artform. So why dont you give them a break, and give it a rest.

Just take a deep breath.

[manzarek123]

3.5... i can hear you!, but where are you!...

[Vanrailey]

The people complaining about the update with all the new cutting edge, industry leading tools being a few days late should *definitely* see about getting a refund for the update they paid hundreds of dollars for.

Oh wait, it's free.

If Pixo never releases another free update ever, you've more than gotten your money's worth, and they don't owe you anything.

Theyre a small group of dedicated individuals, who in the rampant climate Autodesk and general corporate bastardry do nothing but innovate, and give their tools away for free, for love of the artform. So why dont you give them a break, and give it a rest.

Just take a deep breath.
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Seriously true!

[chk2033]

:rolleyes:

[dargelos]

I think we all feel the same thing: We can´t wait for the new tools because they are sooooooo good. That explains some reactions; we want our new toy and we just can´t wait.
. I just don´t understand very well why Pixo is pressed to give us release dates that almost nobody believe. Take your time!!

I dont know if this happens to others but my expectations are so high that i can´t start anything , im blocked, just waiting...

[Cezar Souza]

More wood to the fire, I guess... But it's so damn frustrating I can't keep quiet :confused:

No, it's not coming out now, but yeah, they shouldn't announce it unless they can deliver. No one is questioning their geniality or generosity. I know I'm not. Neither am I saying I'd rather have it incomplete just to get it now.

But come on! Enough already! First they say "ZB 4.0 on august". Then it's "ZB 3.5 on august, 4.0 whenever it's ready". Ok, no harm done, new stuff anyway. Then they release a bunch of tasty videos just to fire up the hype... and again postpone it.

And forget about it being a free upgrade. I'm quite sure a lot of people here (maybe even most people) would rather pay and get it sooner, than having to wait to get it free. The thing is, anyone who has worked on a schedule and with clients (again, I bet most of us know what that is) knows that's bad business.

Don't make promises you can't keep. That keeps your users happier. That said, take the time you need and make it perfect... whenever it's ready you can announce it again and have us both astonished and happy, how about that?

;)

[PMRRRI]

I'd just like to add that I like the rolling updates model they seem to be working with over at Pixologic. It would be great if we didn't have to hold our breath for The Next Great Version all the time and could just take the improvements and new tools as they were developed and integrated into the software. I'd be willing to pay a subscription for updates too. How do those guys afford to eat anyways?

My concern about the upcoming releases is for the hardware requirements. I'm working on an iMac Core 2 Duo with 3gb of RAM and 128mb ati graphics card. Will this support the newer features?

[QFStudios]

That said, take the time you want and make it perfect... whenever it's ready then you can announce and have us both astonished and happy, how about that?
That doesnt always work. Striving for ultimate perfection usually leads to nowhere. Ex: Duke Nukem Forever ;)

[sudajinshui]

i prefer to pay for it clearly more than waiting geistesabwesend.

[Pinoy McGee]

Oh wait, it's free.Doesn't mean I deserved to be LIED TO.

You like being lied to?

If pixo just gave a general release date like Q4 2009 or even sometime in 2010 I'd be all fine with that really.

I know how it is in software dev, been there done that. I just don't like as a long time customer/supporter to be baited with release dates that can't be met. I am not a TOOL! :evil:

[robo3687]

i'm pretty sure it says 'this coming week' (yep it does, just checked)

and last time i check it is still this week (yep thats right too)

also pretty sure theres still 4 days (including today) left in the working week (yep thats right too)

and i'm pretty sure it's free (yep...that one too)

so to those whinging cos it hasn't come out when you want it to....get over yourselves and just be glad you're getting it for free...

[MASTERSHOKHAN]

It is still August you know. Pixologic are based on the west coast of USA so they still have over 9 hours left before August is over. If its like previously, they may release just before midnight their local time.

Richard
All the people complaining have very few posts. I wonder if they just signed in to complain.:evil:

[Vanrailey]

I've read that Zbrush 3.5 will be coming this week... As well as the end of August. Which today... Monday is the only day that falls in to both of those categories. From watching all of the Featured clips, it looks like they have a functional working version of it. Thus, I've noticed that the updates seem to happen around midnight for me. Is there any information that I've missed somewhere that say's otherwise?

I've also read this:


ZBrush 3.5 for the PC is scheduled to be released before the end of August, 2009. (The Mac version is to be released sometime in September.) It is our great pleasure to be able to provide this new version as a free upgrade for all existing customers. Please keep in mind that because this is a free ugprade for everyone, there will be tremendous demand for it. Your patience will be greatly appreciated as we get the upgrade distributed to everyone. Additionally, there are a couple things that you can do to help ensure that the process goes smoothly.

As soon as the new version has been released, Cleverbridge will begin sending emails to all users of ZBrush 3 for the PC. These emails will go out in batches, based upon Cleverbridge's server capacity. This means that it may take one or two days for all upgrade emails to be sent.

If your email address has not changed since purchasing or upgrading to ZBrush 3, there is nothing that you need to do. Your instructions will be sent automatically to the address on record. Please simply ensure that your spam filter is set to allow emails from cleverbridge.com.

If your email address has changed since purchasing, please submit a support ticket to let us know. We will update your records for you. Alternatively, you can contact Cleverbridge directly to update your email address. They can be reached at cs@cleverbridge.com (cs@cleverbridge.com) or by phone at 312-922-8693 (United States) and +49 221 222 45 0 (Germany).

If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by Thursday, September 3 please submit a support ticket to let us know. We will be able to look into the matter and get your upgrade instructions sent to you. Please do not submit a ticket before then, as we will not be able to assist until after all upgrade emails have been sent by Cleverbridge. Any support tickets requesting upgrade instructions that are sent prior to September 3 will be closed without a response.

Thank you for your ongoing support of Pixologic and enthusiasm for ZBrush! We are looking forward to seeing what you can do with the new features.

Happy ZBrushing!

For those that may have not read it....
I'm just wondering are people trying to get upset... without the "race" not even ended.

[sirquadalot]

It's 10:27 P.M and still 8/31/09 over there in Pixologic country. My best wishes to everyone over there in CA with the massive wild fires going on... hope the crew at pixologic and their family and friends are safe.

[TJX]

I've read that Zbrush 3.5 will be coming this week... As well as the end of August. Which today... Monday is the only day that falls in to both of those categories. From watching all of the Featured clips, it looks like they have a functional working version of it. Thus, I've noticed that the updates seem to happen around midnight for me. Is there any information that I've missed somewhere that say's otherwise?

I've also read this:
For those that may have not read it....
I'm just wondering are people trying to get upset... without the "race" not even ended.
Obviously you failed to read this as well -

"UPDATE 8/31:

The release MAY be delayed by as much as a few days. We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to bring you the best version 3.5 possible. While waiting, please check out the newest preview video: http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=074539 (http://showthread.php?t=074539)"

[oR_Creeper]

The reason for the confusion - I just got all excited because I saw the same thing I think Vanraily might have seen - is that there are two posts on Pixologic's support site regarding the 3.5 release and delay. One is linked from the Latest Knowledgebase Articles section on the main Support Center page and points to https://support.pixologic.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=16.

The article with the delay amendment is linked from the News folder on the main Support Center page and points to https://support.pixologic.com/index.php?_m=news&_a=viewnews&newsid=10.

I clicked the Latest Knowledgebase Articles link a moment ago and got all kinds of excited because I thought Pixologic had removed their delay announcement. :D

Alas...I followed the link in this thread and discovered that I was spoofed and the delay was on the other link. :cry:

[Vanrailey]

Obviously you failed to read this as well -

"UPDATE 8/31:

The release MAY be delayed by as much as a few days. We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to bring you the best version 3.5 possible. While waiting, please check out the newest preview video: <A href="http://showthread.php/?t=074539" target=_blank>http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=074539"
Awww ok thanks... I didn't get to read that.
(http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=074539)

[cymj001]

***31561;***30340;***22836;***21457;***37117;***30333;***20102;:mad:

[danmarell]

***31561;***30340;***22836;***21457;***37117;***30333;***20102;:mad:indeed.


really looking forward the release. I've never tried zspheres, being one of these people that thinks topology is key. but i'm still gonna give it a go. can always retopologize later.

[abe_Tamazir]

The people complaining about the update with all the new cutting edge, industry leading tools being a few days late should *definitely* see about getting a refund for the update they paid hundreds of dollars for.

Oh wait, it's free.

If Pixo never releases another free update ever, you've more than gotten your money's worth, and they don't owe you anything.

Theyre a small group of dedicated individuals, who in the rampant climate Autodesk and general corporate bastardry do nothing but innovate, and give their tools away for free, for love of the artform. So why dont you give them a break, and give it a rest.

Just take a deep breath.well said :)
just to remind peaple of how lucky we are to get free awesome gifts :)
back to work now :)
gogo pixo!

[garycrump]

As I said in another thread this missing the release dates is getting old but I understand if newbies want to vent.

What you guys are missing is this Pixologic is in this to win this.

By offering free upgrades they are telling you it is not about the money and that they are not selling out to Autodesk. Autodesk is destroying Mudbox
because they ar not concern or really have any deep love for their software. Pixoogic clearly loves their software. It shows in their innovation.

They want to create the greatest software of all time!
when that is your goal a release date is not set in stone.

I will just get mine on Sept 8th when it is released.

[e1]

It's a pretty neck and neck race between the two threads.
I wonder which one is going to win with the most mails before the 3.5 release

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=73517
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=74539

e1

[e1]

I will just get mine on Sept 8th when it is released.

Is 8 sept your date in stone or are you stretchable beyond that?

[RaXz]

@e1

You're biased because you're posting in this thread, that ain't fair.. :lol:

[keremcg]

you guys awsome :rolleyes: i am nothing to say :D keep it up:)

[pisso]

I think maybe September 3.5 and 4 will be released together at the same time!

[cami2k]

nos tienen a punta de caramelos
:cry:

[cfree68]

I think some people are missing the possible consequences of all these delays. First off, I'm not bashing Pixo. I think they are overly generous benevolent beings from the future, come to enlighten us with super future software. Now that I've shown my bias. I'll state my concerns.

All these delays, to me, mean one thing. The software has issues. Issues that require fixes. Issues big enough to make Pixologic want to delay the release again and again.

Now maybe they are gun shy from all the Mac Heads and Newbs complaining about displacement maps and Maya (etc etc). But if that's not the case. Then there must be some show stopping issues that need to be solved in order for them to delay (lost count of how many times) again.

So if thats the case. Keep on delaying Pixologic. Get it right and we'll keep making cool stuff with the super technology from the future that you have already given us. I for one would hate to have my pristine opinion of your futuristic alien technology tarnished by a single ... gasp... bug?

And for everyone who feels "Lied to"? , "let down", "pissed off" or even "ticked". My question is, Do you want it right? or do you just want it? Cause if you want it done right? Get used to delays, perfection takes time.

[hyper_z]

don't forget all the time that pixologic has saved you before and will continue to, so you can spend it on being creative

[wolfsoull]

suberb freatures!! i can wait for it :D :D

[MrHappy]

I'm well looking forward to this!!

Cfree68, you might have a point, though on a more positive note the delays might be because the servers etc. they are using to distribute the new upgrade are buggered :) The software might be sitting there patiently waiting to be sent out to the ravenous public.

Cheers for all the great stuff over the past half decade Pixologic, its very much appreciated!

[Madeleine]

I don't know how people can complain! It's a free upgrade and what an upgrade! What's a few more days to wait? I would rather have a bugfree ZB than one full of bugs...

[Darukin]

I agree with cfree68, and like something someone said before,
here at Pixo they have something in common with Blizzard with all their delays,
and like Blizzard they both make amazing things to perfection, even though Zbrush still has many bugs and I'd rather a delayed and smoother software than an rushed ontime buggy one.

[Rastaman]

It's there when it's there.
Have patience.

[konjo kothar vignar]

i honestly love how powerful zbrush is. it has so many unique abilities. If Zbrush is a gun that we all use in battle, our gun is about to get armor piercing bullets. Ill gladly wait another few days for my prize.

[Ammarkk]

What is thaaaaa.....ok...In short...It's outstanding..thanks alot pixologic.:D

[Burchigb]

anyone hear when the possible update will be released?

Not begging or anything just wondering
:D

[Matheus]

Congratulations Pixologic, this is incredible!!!! The best of all softwares...:eek::tu:

[cookepuss]

When it's ready.

That's really the best & most sensible answer. I'm as anxious as everybody else. I'm going freakin' nuts waiting for my upgrade e-mail. Still, there's no sense in laboring over something we have no control.

Waiting up for Santa won't make Christmas day come any quicker. The best course of action is simply to sit back and let it happen.

3.1 & 3.2 still rock the sh** like nobody's biz. Go make some art. Something cool. 3.5 will be here when you get back.

[neondistraction]

I LOVE Pixologic! Not only are they constantly pushing the envelope of the 3D industry with innovation, they are relentlessly providing FREE upgrades for long time customers. I WILL buy the next upgrade (whenever they decide to make me). I am one loyal and happy customer. Autodesk could learn a lesson or two... :idea:

Mas Kudos!

[camino1961]

I LOVE Pixologic! Not only are they constantly pushing the envelope of the 3D industry with innovation, they are relentlessly providing FREE upgrades for long time customers. I WILL buy the next upgrade (whenever they decide to make me). I am one loyal and happy customer. Autodesk could learn a lesson or two... :idea:

Mas Kudos!I agree with you 100% and I too will pay for an update when they decide to charge in the future. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Because of pixologic I can "continue to be an artist".

[Wyatt]

Go make some art. Something cool. 3.5 will be here when you get back.This is good advise. Get caught up in a cool project and by the time you finish it will be ready. I hope. ;)

[asecbrush]

Originally Posted by neondistraction
I LOVE Pixologic! Not only are they constantly pushing the envelope of the 3D industry with innovation, they are relentlessly providing FREE upgrades for long time customers. I WILL buy the next upgrade (whenever they decide to make me). I am one loyal and happy customer. Autodesk could learn a lesson or two... :idea: Completely agree with you ...

Come on guys, this thread is about introducing exciting new features (and FREE !), NOT about calling them awesome Pixo dudes liars :td: !

I think everybody is impatient to play with these goodies but some react a bit more maturely to delays then others I guess ;).

Having said that : Where the h*ck is 3.5 ? :D

[Drakelot]

Way, way COOOOOL

[aadegbenro]

I am anticipating a Wood Carver Brush along with ZB 3.5. What else would be cool? A candle wax melt-drip Brush.:D

[SpaceMan]

I am anticipating a Wood Carver Brush along with ZB 3.5. What else would be cool? A candle wax melt-drip Brush.:D LOL - maybe a chainsaw tool for wood carving ;) (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_zbc_display_image s)

[AMIMBK]

:evil: When Will 3.5 make its arrival? Every release its the same thing ! Was praying that this would be the first release that it would finally be on time.

[VulcanNir]

lol u guys...your constant nudging, back-patting and occasional squawks reminds me of when I was like 5 a couple of years ago waiting eagerly for our school teacher to give away the free goodie-packs and us constantly jib-jabbing about its contents till it reached our table...lol keep up the spirit :tu:

[nicholasmarks]

I am thinking the e-mail is gonna come tonight:)

Anyone get it yet?

[Kravit]

Few days usually means 3-4 days. So lets see how long it takes haha

[Kerwin]

Update 9/1 is in the support center news:


If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9 please submit a support ticket to let us know. We will be able to look into the matter and get your upgrade instructions sent to you. Please do not submit a ticket before then, as we will not be able to assist until after all upgrade emails have been sent by Cleverbridge. Any support tickets requesting upgrade instructions that are sent prior to September 9 will be closed without a response.

[wisdomknight]

This is starting to get rediculous :td:

[Kravit]

You would think someone can just chuck the update .exe on servers/torrents and let people download from there instead of waiting to get a ticket ?

[Znub]

If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9
Ah so pretty much, it's coming on the September 8th. :(

[jamespthornton]

If anyone is getting impatient, just close your eyes, and pretend your on Mac OS........like me :cry: (that might cause some pc fans to have nightmares, I know :D )

Actually, I won't even be able to touch ZBrush for a month anyways due to 2d projects piling high. I would miss SO many deadlines if the Mac version was coming out this week! People would be upset, and I wouldn't care. I'd play sick like I was some little kid trying to skip out on school!

[nicholasmarks]

I think they are just staggering the e-mails. They will send out batches but not all at once so they don't overload their servers.

i bought zbrush years ago so I am hoping they are sending the e-mails in order of day ordered. That would be kinda fair:) for us old timers.

I really do think they are going to start sending out e-mails tonight for some reason. I just got a feeling.

[Grugi]

We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out.Hmm.. For me it sounds like they´re already sending out mails for upgrading or not?

Edit: Ah, no I was wrong. Just a mistake with the translation : /

[nicholasmarks]

i am pretty sure as soon as the e-mails start going out some dolt ( maybe me ) will login to flaunt it over everyone:)

[varek3d]

the GoZ will be out the end of September? GRRR!!! come on guys! it's already out for the mac? why did you do this the your loyal PC users we were here first! :(

[garycrump]

I will just get mine on Sept 8th when it is released.



Well I guess I was Physic. Smile
Enjoy your Labor Day Guysand Gals it will be here when you get back.

[jaystein777]

Pixologic is starting to remind me of some girlfriends I've had, and it's not exactly a good thing....I'm super bummed. :(

[Matuka]

Pixologic is starting to remind me of some girlfriends I've had, and it's not exactly a good thing....I'm super bummed. :(Really? You payed for a product from them and received it? Then they showed their appreciation and they offered you more for free when they didn't have to? Sounds pretty good to me even if they didn't deliver on time.

Folks, pixologic is a private company under no obligations to provide any updates. If they wished they could act as emotional as some of the posters and decide to only give updates to those they liked or just not at all.

But instead they appreciate their users and offer something for nothing and to all. I for one appreciate their efforts and understand that creative genius is not bound to a calender but I'm honored that they try to be.

Thank you pixologic for being a different kind of company. In any day and age but specifically now, your generosity is astonishing.

[loki_22]

i just wanna add one more remark here. im not complaining about anything but i do have to ask why people are so angry? there is no real reason for it. yes everyone is excites about the upcoming release and pix is a little late, but ya know this a very rare customer base that gets product so well made and incredible that it should wipe out most negativity. most corporations wont do the kinds of things pix is doing. they charge very little for the product and then swing free upgrades to us. i have no complaints. i honestly and trully love this product for its brilliance. what these guys are doing for us is a great service and it shows that they care. thats what is really important here. seems that every upgrade breaks new boundries and pushes the possibilities further. So please give pix a chance. if all they are trying to do is get things right i absolutely believe that they deserve it. pix you rule and dont let anyone make you think different!

[Burchigb]

Thanks for lettting me know about my question eariler.

Still looking forward to the release when it becomes available.
Rather have it work correctly than to have something half ....

Pixologic please take your time and release when you are ready.
I am sure the new update will be more than we have seen in the promo's

[nicholasmarks]

I hope the pixologic guys have a sense of humor. I am sure they do.

This happens EVERYTIME they release something. THe boards fill up with exactly the same comments. It is almost like some of you guys are copying and pasting from the Zbrush 3.0 launch.

Just shut up and stop compaining. Relax and get ready for the coolest program on earth the blow your nutts off....again.

[angelo]

Just shut up and stop complaining. Relax and get ready for the coolest program on earth the blow your nuts off....again.Yes, please stop complaining....

[tez]

Pixologic, Dont! release this untill it is actualy ready, your only get more complaints when it dont work, so mite as well get respect from thoes that care about its functionality. Am I excited? yes I shure am, do I want it like now? Yes, will I be happy if it dont work? totaly not.

If this short delay is about servers, and prep work to get it out, please tell everyone, if its because some bugs are still present, then tell everybody, fix them before it goes out.

[Mogs]

I am a mac user and therefore have to wait a little longer for ZB3.5 but just looking at the videos and all the savage new features I both can't wait and I am being ultimately patient. I mean just look at the Video at the start of this thread..... Hard Surfaces!!!!!!!!! Combined with what looks like much more intuetive ZSpheres both 3.5 and 4 are going to be astounding programs. Again pixologic you have made my personal favorite 3D Program (Never mind sculpting tool) Even more independant and smoother!

Looking forward to the release!

[Runen]

i just wanna add one more remark here. im not complaining about anything but i do have to ask why people are so angry? there is no real reason for it. yes everyone is excites about the upcoming release and pix is a little late, but ya know this a very rare customer base that gets product so well made and incredible that it should wipe out most negativity. most corporations wont do the kinds of things pix is doing. they charge very little for the product and then swing free upgrades to us. i have no complaints. i honestly and trully love this product for its brilliance. what these guys are doing for us is a great service and it shows that they care. thats what is really important here. seems that every upgrade breaks new boundries and pushes the possibilities further. So please give pix a chance. if all they are trying to do is get things right i absolutely believe that they deserve it. pix you rule and dont let anyone make you think different!QFT

[Lucky_1]

innovating software = innovating business model (remove the complexity from this equation :lol: )

[ministerart@hotmail.co.uk]

(In my best John Lennon voice).."all we are sayinggggggg....is give pix a chanceeeeeeeee".

If there is room for crits here its maybe only on a technicality. If I give a client a deadline for delivering a piece of work...a fixed date in time...and the artwork doesnt arrive on that date then I would expect one or two frustrated e mails at very least. The only change I would make to the whole release mechanism at pixologic would be to maybe come to an agreement whereby a release date is announced "Only" when somethings as finalised as it can be. Zbrushers are an incredibly loyal bunch...were not all going to slope off and start using Slugbox overnight. The update is going to be such a treat to play with and at the moment, im actually quite glad that it isnt here as it would distract me no end.

We cant miss what we havent had yet.

Peter M :D

[Avan-AMS]

3D Realms on Duke Nukem Forever release date "when it's done".... And the rest is history

[Cezar Souza]

I feel just like this kid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwCQWjTyI0

:(

[The_rage]

GOD thank you for Pixologic!cant wait for 3.5...:)

[LeoAMD]

i just want to say thaks pixo guys. if it wasnt for them i wouldent have got into 3d art at all. it was just by pure chance that i saw a video of zbrush on youtube and from that point on i was hooked. since then i've been teaching myself all sorts of 3d packages and things that i never thought i'd be able to do and it all started with zbrush. so if your feeling impatient just remember how awesome these guys are and cut them some slack. that said i am still so ecited that i think i'm gunna puke when i get it.

[cuffi]

it' s simple to find out, when it will be released...go to your support account, there's a entry under "last knowledgebase articles" called "upgrading to ZBrush 3.5 for PC" read the text...:cool:

[Clappy71]

"UPDATE 9/1:

The release has been delayed to take place sometime during the first week of September. We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to bring you the best version 3.5 possible. While waiting, please check out the newest preview video: http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=074539" (showthread.php?t=074539)

Some time next week folks. So I am banking on mid-September.

[bicc39]

So I am banking on mid-September.

of what year?

[dustbin1_uk]

This more than makes up for the delay in my book. Happy days for me. :D:tu:

[danmarell]

what they shouldn't do, is SAY they will bring out something. Then they avoid the situation where people rant on.

I would love to see more videos though to tide me over.

[inverse catheter]

what would've made for the most satisfying teaser i think. is to have released the help docs in the lead up to the release. especially now since it's running a little later than expected

then again. and correct me if i'm wrong. but i don't think the v3 docs were out 'til a while after it was released so. . . par for the course a

[mokthemagicman]

I wonder if they will fix the zoom lock that I get while using Zspheres? The 3.1 update still didn't fix that for me. Ugh. :cry:

If it takes a bit more time to get it right, let them have the time. Heck... It is a free upgrade people. If they were Adobe they would charge $500.00 every year for another version of Photoshop that has more bugs than the year before it, just to get one or two new features. I am grateful that Pixologic is nice enough to give us new features like this for FREE. They are a great company and I wish others would follow their lead.

Hear that Adobe. Greedy #@%$! :mad: :td: :td:

[Burton]

I wonder if they will fix the zoom lock that I get while using Zspheres? The 3.1 update still didn't fix that for me. Ugh. :cry:


I beleave they have fixed the zoom, as it says almost unlimited zooming, which was what made Re-topology a pain.

Now what would be realy cool, is if we had a lazy mouse type retopology. Draw it on, and watch it convert to new topology.

[splodge]

what they shouldn't do, is SAY they will bring out something. Then they avoid the situation where people rant on.

I would love to see more videos though to tide me over.
I suspect Pixologic set a deadline so as to help motivate themselves. If you don't set deadlines then you can tend to relax and dither around.

And setting a deadline internally doesn't really work as you can then easily change it without any fuss :)

We all need to whip Pixologic into rowing faster!. It's what they want!

ROW!! :mad:

ROW!! :mad:

ROW YOU B*TCHES! :mad:

ROW!! :mad:

[aliaskajan]

woooooooooow :eek:

[mauro_matheus]

Can´t wait !

[RawSunlight]

The last video was amazing, but that was last week and now me wee-soaked pants are cold and the amonia is making my eyes sting... Any news anyone? :)

[DonShole]

Hehe, I've been lurking around here for ages and just bought ZBrush because of the 3.5 video and declaration of imminent release. Oh well, more waiting.
Am I right in thinking there are only two 3.5 videos?

[impertinent]

please, don't make us wait more time... :cry:

[Displaced]

What ARE ZSpheres anyway? I mean, I know what they do and how to use them, but since they are perfect spheres I wonder what kind of geometry they're made of. NURBS? B-splines? Magic orbs? And know that you can cut directly into them, would that be some kind of real-time/interactive boolean operations going on then?

[earthtriber]

whats even more exciting about this whole staggered release is that there will be a artistic explosion I just cant wait to see the forum bloom with new zsphere models and new styles and soooo much awesomeness its almost too much to bear...... ps they should be charging the whingers!!!!

i love you pixologic!!!!

[bobby92]

hey pixologic team
i was just wondering if there will be a tutorial on how to use all the new features in zbrush 3.5
like the zspheres 2 as it looks reasonably complicated.

thanks in advance for the new release of zbrush and i will definatly be downloading the trial to see if i can get the hang of the new features.

once again thanks and good work and its amazing how you make these upgrades free to registered users its amazing.

not too long to wait now i hope.

[nicholasmarks]

Suggestion to pixologic...open up the beta forum to us and let us see the beta artwork:) I know that would give everyone something to do for a few days. You guys did it with 3.0 :) Do it again just a little sooner

[0scubasteve]

i find my self coming here every day just seeing if theirs any more up date on zbrush. im evan putting off touching zbrush because i think theirs no point to make anymore sculpts because zbrush 3.5 seems soooo good that its a wast of my time to look at zbrush 3. i had a dream last night that the update came to day, than i woke up rrrrr. so zbrush make my dreams come true and release the update already. ive been waiting for about 2 months now sense i first hard of an update.

[n-drew]

please keep in my mind that the update is free, so, i know its hard, but we have to wait.
maybe they found a big bug in the software etc.
i really hope that there arent many bugs after the delay. :)

[wisdomknight]

Im predicting come Monday the 7th...it still won't be released.
Any other "new release date" predictions?

[ghost-d]

I really hope they fixed the damn freezing bug after right-click... I almost wouldn´t mind if that was the only thing they "added". I JUST lost couple minutes of work just because of that... And it serious pain in the ass when you try to record some sculpting session and you save only your .ztl files while you work, so you have the model in certain stage, but you don´t have it recorded.

[antisymmetry]

It looks amazing. I just hope it's stable.

[MrHappy]

The reason for the delay just dawned on me, also why there is no beta testing blog. Remember Scanners? Zbrush 3.5 keeps on exploding the heads of the beta testers, and they need another Timmy lol :D

[dirtbox]

Since when did a few bugs stop them from releasing an update? ;)

[impertinent]

but, my friends, can they post any new?. This is not a good dealed situation

[Jester]

I think that it'll be released on Friday. Why? Because everyone wants to get familiar with the new features, ergo nobody will work! :)

[pisso]

Be honest! I can't make a good model in zbrush 3.1 and won't give much hope on 3.5 either because you need art talent to creat a fancy drawings. So, I don't mind to keep waiting for the new release of 3.5.:mad:

[ChrRambow]

I think that it'll be released on Friday. Why? Because everyone wants to get familiar with the new features, ergo nobody will work! :):D

[n-drew]

tooo bad i have to work on saturday :lol:

[vadozzer]

Pixologic, thank you

[ello]

YAY! what an uber update this will be, I can hardly await trying it out!

[smileman]

woooowoooowooowwoooooowwoooo cannot wait !

[AMIMBK]

I feel the same way. I havent worked on anything in about 2 months waiting on the arrival of 4, then to hear that it was moved to 3.5. So its like torture. But I am staying loyal. Because many of my associates made the move over to Mudbox, and they actualy like it. But I will never make that move. Been a loyal zbrusher since the beginning. Just look at the date.

[montana2008]

If zb 3.5/4 is as good as it looks in the videos your associates better make the move back asap. I love mudbox but those new zspheres look mad!

[tokio]

wow :eek: aweeeesomeee:tu::tu::tu::tu::tu:
thank you + developer team:tu:, admin:tu: , Pixologic :tu: for many many new feature in 3.5 and 4 coming soon
thank you:D

[Sigmund Hentze]

Tick Tok, Tick Tok... or is it just Tok, Tok, Tok....

Also haven't been using ZB, as I am waiting for the upgrade... but I am sure it will be worth our wait...

Thanks guys...

[mokthemagicman]

Just checked the support page and it said:

"The release MAY be delayed by as much as a few days. We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to bring you the best version 3.5 possible."

YAY!:tu:

[wisdomknight]

Just checked the support page and it said:

"The release MAY be delayed by as much as a few days. We will update this announcement the moment that the release has happend and upgrade links have started going out. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to bring you the best version 3.5 possible."

YAY!:tu:
Yeah and it's been a few days since then...your point?

[daugaard47]

If you read more it says,"If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by Wednesday, September 9 please submit a support ticket to let us know.Sooo. Thats cool. Hopefuly it will be here before the 9th.

[Finotti]

A quiz!!


next step ?? :eek:


Maybe !! Animation ?? :o

cool as well!! :cool:


Cheers!!

[Vanrailey]

A quiz!!


next step ?? :eek:


Maybe !! Animation ?? :o

cool as well!! :cool:


Cheers!!
Maybe one of the next steps would be to update that renderer :lol:

[TJX]

If you read more it says,"If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by Wednesday, September 9 please submit a support ticket to let us know.Sooo. Thats cool. Hopefuly it will be here before the 9th.
If you paid attention more, you'd notice that that piece of information was posted BEFORE the 9/1 update! There is no garuntee yet that the emails have already been sent out.

[Djampa]

I just say... THANKS !

Oh my, seems that will speed up our pipelines. :) Anxious to get it.

Cheers,

[pluMmet]

Here is the part where everyone realizes that the word Few means 3 or more!

[wisdomknight]

And here's the part where everyone realizes that "by the end of the month" doesn't mean the end of the current month! :rolleyes:

[grooveholms]

Man... the 3 day weekend starts and there's no 3.5 spend the whole weekend with.

:(

[daniel13]

i've watched this video so many times, I still get goose pumps. MAN!!! i can't wait. Hope there are new training materials to go with 3.5 readily available.

[BeatKitano]

If you paid attention more, you'd notice that that piece of information was posted BEFORE the 9/1 update! There is no garuntee yet that the emails have already been sent out.No, it's been edited, it was the 3 september before. But i have the feeling we will still be waiting after the 9 since the 8 they will change that date again :/

[fbonniwell]

Does anyone know if 3.5 will allow you to polypaint in layers? This would be great!




-F

[wisdomknight]

If ZB3.5 doesn't come tomorrow, then after the 3-day holiday weekend brings us to Tuesday the 8th...24 hrs before the 9th in which everyone will be emailing in droves. So expect another delay and new release date yet again.


My humble but realistic prediction.

Hmm wonder if they'll do this until the end of the month, then they'll have to postpone the GoZ date to the end of October and then Zbrush 4 to 1st quarter 2010.......:lol:

[nicholasmarks]

your post make me sad wisdomknight...hope it dosen't go down like that

[manzarek123]

wisdomknight!! dont say that!, ohh well! ZBrush 3.5 is release, when it's ready, simple!

[nicholasmarks]

I know a bunch of you freaks like me are checking this thread hourly waiting for the word. So in the mean time what about a fun trivia quiz to test your zbrush knowledge....

1: What is the shortcut for selecting a subtool just by clicking on it in the canas?

2: Who created Zbrush?

3: What was the first commercial/high profile/professional project to really adopt zbrush into their workflow?

4: Have you seen the smiley face in the pixologic logo?

5: How does the smiley face make you feel?


Answers will be posted tomorrow...feel free to post your own trivia questions. :)

[troy1617]

Sure why not don't normally get involved with these types of discussions so figured i will give it a try..

1).. ctrl shift click on subtool that you want to select..
2).. Ofer Alon aka "Pixolator" programmer of Sonic the Hedgehog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28series%29)..
3).. lord of the rings weta digital till david cardwell developed mudbox when pixologic rejected his ideas and suggestions and he then split off and became skymatter..
4).. yes (olo)
5).. this is not sike test community where just a community that appreciates art and innovation and stretching are imaginations to the limit some more then others... ;)

but i am happy that such a company does exist that lets are imaginations wander free and grow and in the end im glad i found zbrush... :D

heres to the new update when it comes out looking forward to those brushes you have not yet released info to the public yet but im sure they will enjoy them also.. and i hope one day we can reach a point where we will be able to cut holes and fill in holes just like we can with with clay.. ;)

but for all the complainers and moaners this is how piologic company works and people that have been here a while should know the history..:lol:

so yes they may not release on time but they do make a great result at the end and more innovative then most..

[ghost-d]

Nicholasmarks, you really risk that tomorrow you won´t even find your post under all those people asking the same "trivia question".
But you asked for that so let me be the first:

1. WHEEEEN!?!?!

[manzarek123]

Ofer Alon! was a programmer from the Sonic games?! wow! that's pretty cool! i love the sonic games, well now i know a little bit more about the creator of zbrush, okey!, now i have one question

--who made the famous demo head! include in zbrush!?

and, well only that question :D haha

[MikeJensen]

Someones gotta show me the smilie face I don't see it!

[spaceboy412]

mike here

[MASTERSHOKHAN]

To be honest, i didn't want to start any new projects until GOz was in my hands. However I have done just the opposite. I've been finishing old models to keep me busy and it has been great! My productivity is up 90%!!!:D

[troy1617]

see it now.. lol:lol:

[womball]

Whoa didn't know ofer programmed sonic!?! Which one?

I looked up Ofer on google, and there was an article about him. Unfortunately all of the pictures were gone. Its also a fairly common name on facebook (google results).

[VulcanNir]

thanks for the update pixo!!!..cheers:tu:

[meatycheesyboy]

Whoa didn't know ofer programmed sonic!?! Which one?

I looked up Ofer on google, and there was an article about him. Unfortunately all of the pictures were gone. Its also a fairly common name on facebook (google results).The wiki says he was the main programmer of the fish eye camera in the game Sonic X-Treme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_X-treme

"The game itself was initially developed separately by two teams in parallel. The first team was in charge of developing the main game engine. The levels themselves were developed in a tubular mode, allowing level rotation and gravity directions, and as result, moved around Sonic. The fish-eye lens camera view, developed by programmer Ofer Alon, gave the game a distinctive spherical appearance."

[Keeper]

i just cant take this wait any longer...im coding my own zbrush 3.5 - anyone know how C++ works?

[pisso]

Why it hasn't come out yet? Is it some kind of joke or lie?:mad:

[leighBamforth]

Come on People, Negative attitude like that aint right. You want to be able to use the software properly Right. Im sure you'de be the first to complain if it had some bug that made it incompatible with your specific system spec. I personally am waiting on it for specific tasks that i cannot carry forward until it is released yet I can wait patiently. The Vaugality of the 'Few days delay' is purposeful but not done to mislead. They need time to finish off. Fair enough. If they come on and said boy this is tough its going to be a couple of weeks off schedual at this stage, Then I could be a little more understanding of the negatives, but hang tight it will be here soon.

[Kravit]

Don't think people are negative, just that Pixelogic haven't said anything for few days now, Doesn't hurt to come on forums and say whats the deal. Don't they have HR there ?

[Vanrailey]

i just cant take this wait any longer...im coding my own zbrush 3.5 - anyone know how C++ works?LMFAO!!!
The wait is killing me too. I think I'm developing Zcancer that can only be cured by the release of 3.5 ><. So is it coming out later today, thus linking into Saturday... Cus if not today... then I would assume after Monday.

[Avan-AMS]

lets wait until GoZ is ready to have 3.5 launched so we can avoid all the drama here, (end of September)

[Splatman]

I now really fall in love with Zbrush must practice some more tho

[Xsmoke]

I'm not sure if this is the right guy,
but he is a developer for Sonic and his name is Ofer Alon.

[rhinokio]

it allways gets me how people can be upset about free stuff being postponed, i'm as antsy as anyone checking my email and refrreshing the support page every hour waiting for this release. but to seriously get upset at pixo is off the ball nuts, things come up and delays happen, learn to live with it you will be better off in life. and to think that the delays dont hurt pixo, they do, just as any company that has to make major delays. sure we are not paying for this, but i'm sure pixologic are expecting to make a lot of cash from new buyers and people abandoning mudbox. thats why they want it to work when its released.

[gpepper]

We want it !
I want to play with all these new features this weekend !
Come Pixo, make us dream !

[tez]

We want it !
Come Pixo, make us dream !
They already are, you havent got it yet, so dreaming is all you can do.

Look at it this way, they said the first week of september, they are either going to send it friday night, or add a new news update to say they are going to release both the PC and Mac version when the Mac is due.

[pisso]

People~ Wake up! It will be released on September 8, please wait for a while.:evil:

[Vancross]

Yes, we wants it my precious. But those nasty Pixologicsses hides it from us in their filthy little pocketesses they do! Give us the PRECIOUS... we wants it! WE NEEDS IT!!

[ghost-d]

...or add a new news update to say they are going to release both the PC and Mac version when the Mac is due.

Are you crazy?! Don´t put ideas in their heads!! ;)

[industripop]

those nasty Pixologicsses hides it from us in their filthy little pocketesses...

Thanks for the morning laugh!

[jonnyd'artiste]

:lol: :tu:
now that was funny schmiegel!
lol

[oR_Creeper]

Would you release your hard earned project BEFORE a long weekend knowing that you may have to work the entire weekend supporting the release and making sure its release goes well? If its not released yet, it won't be until after the weekend. If all goes well we may see it after the 8th. Enjoy your weekend...especially the dedicated folks at Pixo who are blessing us with such a great program.

[tez]

I can wait either way, but wasnt the 9th mentioned based on a release schedualed for end of August?

That mention of the 9th was based of the August release, original news item. The latest news which was the 1/09, states the first week in September which ends end of this week. Putting them both together looks like the 9th is the latest that individual mite get theirs, i.e the process had started when it was due to go out.

If in reality that 9th was intended for individuals who didnt get their email, from the realease of 31st August, then arnt we not looking at the 16th for some individuals?

Just some thoughts.:idea:

[BeatKitano]

I can wait either way, but wasnt the 9th mentioned based on a release schedualed for end of August?

That mention of the 9th was based of the August release, original news item. The latest news which was the 1/09, states the first week in September which ends end of this week. Putting them both together looks like the 9th is the latest that individual mite get theirs, i.e the process had started when it was due to go out.

If in reality that 9th was intended for individuals who didnt get their email, from the realease of 31st August, then arnt we not looking at the 16th for some individuals?

Just some thoughts to comfort.;)No no no, you're eating what they gave you, when the release date was targeted for the end of august, the date was the third september.
With the 09/01 announcement update they changed that date to 09/09.

"If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by Thursday, September 3 please submit a support ticket to let us know. We will be able to look into the matter and get your upgrade instructions sent to you. Please do not submit a ticket before then, as we will not be able to assist until after all upgrade emails have been sent by Cleverbridge. Any support tickets requesting upgrade instructions that are sent prior to September 3 will be closed without a response."

Its all about not pissing the users more, they wanted it to appear like a "not so sure" deadline. It's all about not pissing people when the 9th deadline will not happen

I'm a bit pissed off at that attitude. They could at least be honest and give a realistic date not some fantasy to keep their users waiting and keeping back some people to buy other innovatives products...

I don't care not having zbrush soon, althought i'm as eager as everyone to get my hands on it, but I hate when people disrespect me. Right now i fee like pixologic don't have the slightest respect for their customers, if they do they could at very least not change the dates in "old" release announcement, to make people think they are not late when they don't release on time.

[ministerart@hotmail.co.uk]

Heyyyy...lol...do you lot know nothing?...


Im still hanging on for the zbrush update that was due in the last quarter of 2008....so be patient.

[Grugi]

I´m pretty sure it will be released at monday, which also doesn´t mean that everyone will get their update at this day, because they said they will send out mails in chunks. So everybody should get the email until wednesday. The 9th is just if something went wrong and someone didn´t receive the mail for a reason, then you should contact them.

A week has seven days, so monday the 7th is the last day of the first week.
And it has been said that it can take up to 2 days to send out all mails.

If the release would happen today and you are one of the guys who didn´t receive your mail within 2 days, you would have no chance to contact them until the 9th, because in the support center is written, that every mail before 9th won´t affect anything.

Soo, I´m afraid, no 3.5 today :p

[tez]

No no no, you're eating what they gave you, when the release date was targeted for the end of august, the date was the third september.
With the 09/01 announcement update they changed that date to 09/09.


I see, didnt know they had chaged it, still makes no difference to me. Iv been using Zbrush long enougth to know that it does a prety dam fine job at sculpting, but only since I spent the time to learn how to sculpt.

Zbrush is the tool, im the artest, no update will ever change that. It will be here when its ready. Its not worth getting angry over a few days when we all could be making good use of what we have, and learning what skills we dont.

[BeatKitano]

@ministerart@hotmail.co.uk

Like i said, i'm not ranting about the late release, i'm ranting about the attitude of pixo.

I don't know about you, but when a client ask me to do something, its about trust, if can't deliver on time he will go to someone else and I will not get payed. Ok 3.5 is free and 'im grateful for that, but if you have a little bit of selfrespect you don't announce deadline you definitely know you can't meet.

[Grugi]

I don't know about you, but when a client ask me to do something, its about trust, if can't deliver on time he will go to someone else and I will not get payed.Then just switch to Autodesk products, get releases in time and be "not" happy with the result :lol:

[BeatKitano]

Saad, really sad, you can't even criticize what should be common sense, on this board, without someone coming to tell you its worse elsewhere so you should be happy to be treated like a retard.

I'm sad for you Grugi, even more when you can't read what i'm complaining about.

Should i make an history ?:

2008: announcement of 3.5 release
august 2009: announcement of 4.0
august 2009: 4.0 postponed re-announcement of 3.5
august 2009: goz psotponed wil lbe included in 4.0 in september
august 2009: 3.5 postponed to early september.

You can't seriously say they're are not completely out of their mind about release date ?

If was paranoid enough i would say the whole 3.5/4.0 announcement was a way to draw attention of potential customers of another new rising application and keep them from buying it. ..

[gpepper]

Why it hasn't come out yet? Is it some kind of joke or lie?:mad:
People~ Wake up! It will be released on September 8, please wait for a while.:evil:Thanks for this but you seem to be good person to give us advice ! :D;)

Ok it is delayed... Sorry not to be able to read more than 10 pages and see the little information about the release which will be "in late".

[wisdomknight]

What is wrong with Pixologic having an HR guy make a few posts here updating us as to what's happening and if it will be delayed (again). Instead of us wondering and waiting until the last day only to realize it ourselves when ZB3.5 doesn't show up.I mean WTF do they get off on these posts, some sick power trip or something? It's very strange if you ask me....reading tons of customer concerns for days and even weeks without a single response or acknowledgement sometimes. Do they have an HR department or customer service department? I mean come on...companies don't normally do this crap!

[mikala]

They have replied in their post that it will be delayed.
Get over it. They should not have to reply to every frenzied persons post.

[zeke3d]

even though I had my fingers crossed, I am not shocked by the delay, I would rather they release their work of art when its finished. pixologic isn't like other software companies with on time regularly scheduled releases of crap, cut them some slack.

[Erklaerbar]

how ordinary - pix misses multiple deadlines.

[Grugi]

Saad, really sad, you can't even criticize what should be common sense, on this board, without someone coming to tell you its worse elsewhere so you should be happy to be treated like a retard.

I'm sad for you Grugi, even more when you can't read what i'm complaining about.

Should i make an history ?:

2008: announcement of 3.5 release
august 2009: announcement of 4.0
august 2009: 4.0 postponed re-announcement of 3.5
august 2009: goz psotponed wil lbe included in 4.0 in september
august 2009: 3.5 postponed to early september.

You can't seriously say they're are not completely out of their mind about release date ?
Well you know, in the software development buisness, a lot of times "unexpected" problems occours right before the finish line. Then you have the choice to release it as it is or you take some time to fix the biggest issues and release a better product. Some companies leave it as it is because of contracts they have to fullfill and this is always bad for the people who have to use the product.

No matter what the deadline is, you can never be sure that you get a polished version of the software at the day of your deadline.

Sure they could not tell a release date at all and just release it when it´s done, but then you will hear people crying, that they didn´t knew about the new version, so they didn´t purchase and don´t get their version at the day of the release...

[BeatKitano]

Well you know, in the software development buisness, a lot of times "unexpected" problems occours right before the finish line. Then you have the choice to release it as it is or you take some time to fix the biggest issues and release a better product. Some companies leave it as it is because of contracts they have to fullfill and this is always bad for the people who have to use the product.

No matter what the deadline is, you can never be sure that you get a polished version of the software at the day of your deadline.

Sure they could not tell a release date at all and just release it when it´s done, but then you will hear people crying, that they didn´t knew about the new version, so they didn´t purchase and don´t get their version at the day of the release...You're kidding right ? You announce a software release about a year before its "actual" release and finally don't release and expect people to be all smile ?
I know about last minute bugs, what i don't understand is this stupefying unexplainable habit that pixo ahs to announce a software upgrade when some rival software emerge, remember 3.0 ? > mudbox.

Zb 3.5 ? weird, we hear about it from the lost age of 2008 just when another rival appear, 3dcoat.

Either its a coincidence, and a weird one, either its just a market tactic and the release date are used to hype hype hype, to keep the user base and put curtains in front of the competition's stand.

I'm betting when 3.5 gets released, we won't get goz before long months, no one will complain since 3.5 will be here, and when we get it it will be a plugin to never hear of 4.0 before 1-2 years.

All about hype.

[wisdomknight]

You make some very good points man.
I agree, things seem very strange to me as well.

And I definitely don't see ZB 4.0 until at least 3rd quarter 2010.

[sudajinshui]

anyone had recived a email?
im really puzzled .refused.

[Grugi]

For me, what counts is, what I will get in the end of the day. A sculpting software which has no competition in the field at this moment. Mudbox doesn´t do very well with their newest release and 3d coat isn´t nearly at the level of zbrush.
If some people care about pixologics marketing strategies, I don´t, so just leave it as it is.

[calmasacow]

Well if it doesn't get released by end of day Today you are not likely to see it till Tuesday or Wednesday. Monday is a holiday in the US. Everyone is off to go drink beer and eat BBQ. I would be willing to be about 98% of us in here need to take some time away from the computer anyway. Go get some sun Eat a Hot Dog, Drink a beer, Go for a swim!

Sea ya next week!

[Clappy71]

anyone had recived a email?
im really puzzled .refused.The official first week of a month, is when there are no days included from the previous month. So next week is the first week of September. They posted on the support website that there is a delay and that there won't be a release until the first week of September, which is next week.

So you should have a copy of Zbrush 3.5 at some point next week.

[e1]

Some people really have a knack for self-hypnosis.
So by that calculation the first week of this month ends on the 14th.
If we add to that the time it can take to send out the golden e-mails we could be heading towards october.

This sounds more like an invitation to visit willy wonka's factory than a software release.

Can I wait for a stable zbrush 3.49 release? Sure, if people give me a clear idea of when that wait will end.

e1

[pitchepuck]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUHIIIIIG BRAUNÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ :o... :rolleyes: hier auch... man

[Wyatt]

You're kidding right ? You announce a software release about a year before its "actual" release and finally don't release and expect people to be all smile ?
I know about last minute bugs, what i don't understand is this stupefying unexplainable habit that pixo ahs to announce a software upgrade when some rival software emerge, remember 3.0 ? > mudbox.

Zb 3.5 ? weird, we hear about it from the lost age of 2008 just when another rival appear, 3dcoat.

Either its a coincidence, and a weird one, either its just a market tactic and the release date are used to hype hype hype, to keep the user base and put curtains in front of the competition's stand.

I'm betting when 3.5 gets released, we won't get goz before long months, no one will complain since 3.5 will be here, and when we get it it will be a plugin to never hear of 4.0 before 1-2 years.

All about hype.I'm sure everything you are saying is true but I have to ask, so what? I can't understand what is so disbelieving about Pixo hamstringing their competition with strategic announcements. It's a no brainer move in business but you seem to take personal offense to it.

I'm not paying money for these upgrades so I have no place to complain. I know some are actually asking to pay to get upgrades on time but I'm not in a position to put out that kind of money so I'm very happy that Pixo is willing to give us this cutting edge software for a one time fee.

Actually let me word it better, I'm very grateful that such a company still exists. You may cheapen my sentiments with childish words like "fanboy" but I've got much more important financial obligations and the fact that I can have what will probably be one of the most cutting edge pieces of software in history for free means a lot to me. For one thing it means I get to be there when it launches and not have to sit on the sidelines while everyone else is showing how awesome it is. Meanwhile I save up for the upgrade and waste valuable learning time. I mean seriously, have any of you dealt with companies like oh I don't know: Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee, Adobe, AutoDesk, Oracle, Computer Associates etc? I mean personally dealt with them not heard some story from your IT guy, well I am that IT guy and let me tell you, Pixo is a dream compared to these guys.

Like I've said in the past, I have a feeling that Pixo is a very very small company with limited staff. I get that impression from experiences I've had in the past dealing with other small developers. So they probably don't have a lot of time to spend on anything other than getting the product out. Cut them some freakin' slack people.

Pixo's attitude reminds me of NewTek's back in the day when broadcast equipment cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and here comes NewTek and their Toaster for a few grand that did a better job. NewTek wanted to bring broadcasting to the masses and Pixo wants to make the most intuitive tools for artists and not charge an arm and a leg for it. That I can really appreciate.

I realize everyone is getting antsy in the pantsy, I just can't understand the anger.

[wisdomknight]

The official first week of a month, is when there are no days included from the previous month. So next week is the first week of September. They posted on the support website that there is a delay and that there won't be a release until the first week of September, which is next week.

So you should have a copy of Zbrush 3.5 at some point next week.
What kind of logic is that!!!
The first week of September is the 1st through the 7th!
It doesn't change!
What school did you go to?!
The fanboys are more dillusional that Ive ever expected!
Stop making excuses for them!

[MrHappy]

Wyatt, very well said :tu: :tu:

I'm as anxious as the next guy to get my hands on these tools (refreshing like a fiend lol), but I cannot understand why so much anger is being directed at Pixologic. You cannot rush genius, and they really put themselves on the line by giving public deadlines, but I'm sure they really wanted to keep them. If you are holding off doing any work just to wait for the update don't be silly, just rattle off one final wee project in 3.1 and enjoy yourself. No one can be as stressed as the Pixo team right now, so cut them some slack!

[bobby92]

how do you feel for the mac users that have to wait longer than you

so stop moaning about pixologic delaying the release they are simply trying to give us the best possible out of 3.5.

what would you rather a dodgy version that you have to update in a weeks time or just wait a week and have the complete thing?

mine is the second

so please stop complaining XD

[dirtbox]

The 'anger' as you put it is more to do with needlessly hyping something and not delivering it in the time scale promised, even going so far as to reword blog posts to comfortably extend the delay.

It's not anger so much as annoyance. If the goods aren't there, don't get people's hopes up then dash them at the last possible minute, it aggravates almost everyone and causes resentment for no reason. By the time the update does show, rather than be heralded with cries of "WOW I LOVE YOU PIXOLOGIC!", it'll be greeted with a thousand voices shouting "ABOUT F*%&ING TIME."

Which would you rather have?

[Vanrailey]

Omg... all the complaining and conspiracy off of a delay for one week ><. Watch the tune change when it comes out. You would have to be a real jerk on some kind of level to still be ticked off. "Hey Pixo WTF for making me wait an extra week for this awesome update. WTF Autodesk treats their costumers with more respect. This so wrong for not even making us pay anything. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TIME!!!"

[artistheat]

Yea I would Like my upgrade now....But I can't complain for the delay, ZBrush has been very,very good to me:)

[e1]

I'm really getting annoyed with this "for free " argument.
Blender is a free "kick-ass" 3d company and their releases are generally
announced in an organised, hype-free manner.

I respect how pixologic develop their app and what strategy they adopt
in regards to possible competitors, but this way of announcing an upcoming
release doesn't serve anybody.

Even if they are a small company, how many staff does it take to send
out a message giving people that are waiting a clear picture of what's happening.
Does it hurt to send out an extra message?
Will coding grind to a halt because of it?

And if they don't know how long it will take, that's ok too, as long as some-
body takes a couple minutes to tell me.

I remember reallusion not meeting their latest i-clone release.
The release got delayed by only a few days but at least there was someone
taking the time to tell people on the forum what was happening.

e1

[dirtbox]

Yeah really. It's not like I didn't already spend $600.

[pluMmet]

how do you feel for the mac users that have to wait longer than youI'm tired of Mac users moaning about it...they can just use boot camp. It's not like windows users can use Mac OSs.

[BeatKitano]

I'm really getting annoyed with this "for free " argument.
Blender is a free "kick-ass" 3d company and their releases are generally
announced in an organised, hype-free manner.

I respect how pixologic develop their app and what strategy they adopt
in regards to possible competitors, but this way of announcing an upcoming
release doesn't serve anybody.

Even if they are a small company, how many staff does it take to send
out a message giving people that are waiting a clear picture of what's happening.
Does it hurt to send out an extra message?
Will coding grind to a halt because of it?

And if they don't know how long it will take, that's ok too, as long as some-
body takes a couple minutes to tell me.

I remember reallusion not meeting their latest i-cone release.
The release got delayed only a few days late but at least there was someone
taking the time to tell people on the forum what was happening.

e1Yes its as simple as that, right now you have lot of people complaining, that could have been avoided with a single: sorry we can't meet the deadline we have a bug x in x provoke etc

It takes what, 30 seconds to make a stiky, don't tell me it will slow the bug fixing process, they had people working probably for hours on the demo videos...

I can assure you if they issued a message with a reason here, everything would be quit all of a sudden, instead they say nothing, they are off schedule it will be bashing time when the app get out and some bugs get found (cause lets be honest even if pixo work is awesome there will be bugs).

[Lucky_1]

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:lol:

[Grugi]

haha :lol:

[e1]

hey, a fellow belgian
don't they say that belgians are notoriously impatient?

e1

[e1]

Something odd happening to this thread :eek:
ok, I'm gonna go do something useful ...

[pluMmet]

Something odd happening to this thread :eek:Moderators prerogative I guess..

[dirtbox]

A spectacular self own if I'm not mistaken.

[Wyatt]

The 'anger' as you put it is more to do with needlessly hyping something and not delivering it in the time scale promised, even going so far as to reword blog posts to comfortably extend the delay.

It's not anger so much as annoyance. If the goods aren't there, don't get people's hopes up then dash them at the last possible minute, it aggravates almost everyone and causes resentment for no reason. By the time the update does show, rather than be heralded with cries of "WOW I LOVE YOU PIXOLOGIC!", it'll be greeted with a thousand voices shouting "ABOUT F*%&ING TIME."

Which would you rather have?Gotta be honest with you, I've not experienced any of this "hopes up" and "dashed" business. With every announcement it's been "Oh, that's nice" and then I move along to whatever I was working on. Then the next announcement, "Ok, got the message." So when it actually is released I'm sure my reaction will be "3.5 is out, cool." So no, no 1000 voices, just 1000 styluses.

Ah well, see you guys later. Back to what I was working on.

Pst: It would be nice to get the download for the Labor Day weekend Pixo. :D

[pluMmet]

Pst: It would be nice to get the download for the Labor Day weekend Pixo. :DI think that has allot to do with the dissatisfaction...people were looking forward to 3 days of 3.5 :confused:

[dirtbox]

Oh completely, I'm mostly ambivalent at this point, but you can certainly see why there is frustration. I included the 'almost everyone' caveat just for you :)

[rhinokio]

you guys are nuts, they put out a notice saying it was going to be delayed, why on earth do you care what bug or what ever is causing it to be delayed? its not really any of your buisness. they notified us on the support page that it was delayed. being a baby about it is not going to make it show up any faster. in fact i'm crossing my fingers that it gets delayed another week, because man i really wanna test out the new tools. but watching you guys implode would be even funner

[pluMmet]

but watching you guys implode would be even funnerI think it's funny that you are taking the time to watch :lol:

[e1]

you guys are nuts, they put out a notice saying it was going to be delayed, why on earth do you care what bug or what ever is causing it to be delayed? its not really any of your buisness. they notified us on the support page that it was delayed. being a baby about it is not going to make it show up any faster. in fact i'm crossing my fingers that it gets delayed another week, because man i really wanna test out the new tools. but watching you guys implode would be even funner

The only thing imploding here is the fanfare round the announcement of the release.

[Kerwin]

From the support center since 9/1:


If you do not receive your upgrade instructions by WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9 please submit a support ticket to let us know. We will be able to look into the matter and get your upgrade instructions sent to you. Please do not submit a ticket before then, as we will not be able to assist until after all upgrade emails have been sent by Cleverbridge. Any support tickets requesting upgrade instructions that are sent prior to September 9 will be closed without a response.
I'm a little surprised that people are having a hard time absorbing the meaning here. It means that you should not expect your upgrade email much before Sept. 9th. I don't think Monday is a holiday in Germany, so I'd expect that (unless they need to delay again) that it will likely starting shipping in the next few days.

Given Pixologic's loooooooooooooooong history of never releasing anything when they say it will be released, how can anyone be seriously surprised? (I'm actually surprised they only delayed a week . . . a month is more in Pixologic's historical character . . .) :D

-K

[dirtbox]

And with luck, it'll all mostly work with 4.1

[pixelated.pict]

Given Pixologic's loooooooooooooooong history of never releasing anything when they say it will be released, how can anyone be seriously surprised? (I'm actually surprised they only delayed a week . . . a month is more in Pixologic's historical character . . .) :D

-K
Don't you mean 6 months? ;)

[rhinokio]

dang right i'm watchin i refresh this page as well as the support page about every 5 minutes hoping for some news :) i really want the update but i dont feel like they owe me the update or something. if they announced tommorow that they were never updating again i've already got what i paid for so cant really complain

[Avan-AMS]

This reminds me a lot to that lil app called Play Station Home, does anyone remember how that ended up? not too well...

[MikeJensen]

mike hereI love you!

[ministerart@hotmail.co.uk]

Hey...i read the conspiracy theory......thanks for the word up about 3DCoat,,,downloaded the 30 day demo....(sound familiar?) and its way cool...

[jamespthornton]

I'm tired of Mac users moaning about it...they can just use boot camp. It's not like windows users can use Mac OSs.

Unlike with v.3.1, mac users won't be getting a temporary windows license to hold them over, they will have to wait. This doesn't bother me, I just thought I'd mention it. As a Mac user, we have nothing to moan about. Pixologic has taken very good care of us this year. We've had releases and features not available to windows yet that you guys are going to really enjoy.

I see people lose their minds around every ZBrush release. The delays can make you go mad, but once it's actually out, everyone will be back here rightfully kissing butt! That's what the coolest software on the planet does to us when the release doesn't go exactly to plan!

So lets all exercise some patience, and let them get the job done without catching so much hell. It'll be worth the wait in the end, we all know it.

[spaceboy412]

jpt, i'm still confused as to how you have a join date of 1969. lol.

[jamespthornton]

In my past life, I must've been a time traveling hippie who sought out the artist's tools of the future. :tu: :cool: :tu: Somehow the signals all got crossed i guess :idea:

[TJX]

Unlike with v.3.1, mac users won't be getting a temporary windows license to hold them over, they will have to wait. This doesn't bother me, I just thought I'd mention it. As a Mac user, we have nothing to moan about. Pixologic has taken very good care of us this year. We've had releases and features not available to windows yet that you guys are going to really enjoy.

I see people lose their minds around every ZBrush release. The delays can make you go mad, but once it's actually out, everyone will be back here rightfully kissing butt! That's what the coolest software on the planet does to us when the release doesn't go exactly to plan!

So lets all exercise some patience, and let them get the job done without catching so much hell. It'll be worth the wait in the end, we all know it.

Yeah, us PC users can take comfort in the fact that "it could be worse, we could be mac users having to wait even longer". :lol:

[evanescentdevil]

So So Awesome Can't Wait

[Kerwin]

As a former Mac user with ZB, I can say from experience: It can be a lot worse . . .

[moogal]

I don't think it's fair to compare this delay to previous ones. The worst delay was well over a year, IIRC, this one is only barely weeks yet.

I do wonder what parts of zB4 were so obviously not ready that they had to be pared from this release, and whether the v3.5 release means v4 will be getting features not originally planned for it. Obviously they still have other things up their sleeve...

Others will disagree, but I say bring on the animation tools!

[Vanrailey]

Me personally... I would like to see the retop tools, and renderer improved... which I dont care if it's not for this nor Zbrush 4 release... but hopefully in the future.

[moogal]

Yeah, I think their imaginations are bigger than their attention spans. I was so afraid of retopology until I saw an... erm... someone making it look simple in another program. Watched a video of someone doing it in zBrush and thought to myself "Really? That's an actual step that people are spending hours per model on?" Is there a shrinkwrap tool to transfer a good topology from an existing mesh (such as a head) to a new sculpt?

As for animation, I wasn't directing that to the people who see more pressing problems with zBrush itself. It was more toward the people who have other animation tools in their pipeline who might feel that adding animation to zBrush would be a waste of Pixologic's resources. Which is exactly how I felt when I heard Daz was adding 3D paint to Carrara, btw. One of those "but I already have that" kind of feelings.

[Avan-AMS]

wait It wasnt this delayed until next year?

[RobCardIV]

To quote Rhino...
"Let it begin!.. let it begin!"
I'm holding my breath. Please don't let me die.LoLoL !! I have to remember that one.

[moose o death]

unless i'm very confused and have totally misread the updates, 3.5 doesn't exactly add a whole lot. it's simlply improved variations of existing tools.

my cintiq arrived friday afternoon and i would have loved to give them both a workout togethor but you can't tell me you NEED 3.5. it doesn't do anything 3.1 can't.

as for the "hype" one user is complaining about. i only found out about 3.5 a couple weeks ago, when i came here looking for a better skin matcap. unless your getting billboards and bus ads in your region then the "hype" was all generated by you.

[cfree68]

Politics Schmolotics.. (and yippeee I've finally been sniped by a board moderator, at least someone reads the posts :)

Onto the other thought I had. It's starting to be very obvious that Pixologic loves watching people who want "satisfaction" not get it, as in torture ;-)

Soooo I'm guessing all you guys (and girls gotta by politically correct when I'm being politically incorrect) are in for a loooooong wait before your 3d sculpting fetish gets satisfied by the people in charge. Cause they are probably having way to much fun holding out.

Personally I don't know about the rest of you, but I can wait forever. Hear that Pixologic? no satisfaction being denied here. Your games don't work on me. The only reason I check this thread is to laugh.

I can quit anytime.. the first step to a cure is recognizing the addiction!

You're not the boss of me!

ok.. back to waiting.





waiting...

[Burchigb]

It is the shakes that hurt the most! most addicts will agree.

:-)


Off I go to the blessed waiting.