Monday Night Challenge Returns : Head Modeling ( Final Week! ).

[Mahlikus The Black]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058220657fao.jpg


Stead thy hands and stay thine eyes and ingest these quickening words...let The Monday Night Challenge ensue! :D

Thats right kiddies. I am here to reinstate the Monday Night Challenge. We have a lot of new faces around here and a MNC would help everyone to better understand ZBrush. To "Challenging" users to try more and learn more. Besides...its TONS'O FUN! Through the months, we will be tackling things like low-poly modeling, texturing, combining materials, post effects like hair and fire, lighting, Zifs (ZSpheres)...every facet of ZBrush that can be covered.
Our good buddys Mentat7 and Ron Harris are operators of an IRC channel dedicated to further extend the learning process. We pop in there every Monday and a few times during the week and weekends to provide live help with the challenge (or any other problem, ZBrush or no). I haven't seen them around much but then again I have been a ghost myself. Those of you that are serious about kickin some ZButt are going to have a good chance to do just that. Those of you who just want to participate in the fun, well you're welcome aboard too. Everybody's welcome! Even you High-End users *nudge-nudge*. The Server name is nexus.sorcery.net and the ports are 6667 and 9000. The Channel is #zbrush3 (1 and 2 are closed).

Now, time for some details.

The duration of the Challenge will be two weeks. It used to be only one but a few of us found this to be a little too short. We later tried a month but this proved to be too long for some. So I think two weeks should be just right. You can bust knuckles the first week and get help the next or just take your time...whatever fits best.
For the first few challenges, I will be choosing the topics. I have a few in mind right now to help kickstart everyone. Afterward, someone will be chosen to pick the next topic. After two weeks, this person will choose the next topic starter and so on, and so on.
The challenge is open to demo and full users, old and new. All images and models will be fresh creations...no recycling. Everything must be ZBrush (This includes the render). If you have to do any postwork in painting apps like Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop, thats cool but Zbrush should be at least considered for this. It has a good set of postwork tools. Last but not least, we still abide by ZBC rules partaining to content.

Now, The challenge.

This MNC is going to be Head Modeling.

:b3:Must be ALL native ZBrush models.
:b3:Doesn't have to be human. ;)
:b3:High or low poly.
:b3:May use ANY ZPrimitive (Zif, ZSphere3D, ZCube, etc).
:b3:Try to have Eyelids, nose, lips, and ears from the same model (you may attach ears if need be).
:b3:Must include a wire shot. (Uploading tools and ZScripts optional).
:b3:Textured (optional but good practice).
:b3:Try to use two or more materials like
moist lips and eye area (optional but good practice).
:b3:Background optional.
:b3:Eyes, teeth, and hair are also optional.

If anything comes up, I will ammend the parameters of the challenge.

Don't forget IRC.

Good Luck and Happy ZBrushing

[Mentat7]

I would say this is a good basic start to get the newer members involved in the challenges and to get the challenges back on a roll. I should be in the chat room tonight. Hope to see you all there. :)

[The Namek]

hehe MTB , good to see the MNC again. It says head modeling , but not human head modeling right ?

In that case :
temporary image :

The OrbKeeper
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058219104ivo.jpg

[Gary Komar]

im in MTB, heres one i been working at,very cool model namek http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058219786chz.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058219872gxj.jpg
:tu: :tu: :tu:

[Mahlikus The Black]

Excellent start guys! :tu: :tu: :tu:
I too will be in IRC tonight but first I have to go try and sell my car. Might be a while but I will be there..its 4:20 here and I should be in IRC at about 7 to 8 so give me a few.

Peace

MTB

[TVeyes]

Great initiative MTB, I'm going to try and join the fun. Some neat pictures already, better start brushing right away.

[Mentat7]

OK here's my hat....


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058242239ptv.jpg


A little Update:

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058269529lyq.jpg
[Gallery Entry]


:b3:NOTES: :b3:
------------------------------
The head was made from a sphere3d. The ears were made from a sphere3d then placed seperately in the workspace. The hat is made from a hollow cylinder3d. The eyes were painted on the spheres first then the colors were unwrapped and enhanced on a flat background then MRGBZ grabbed.

Here are some wires just for you Mike.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058321859nlo.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058321883ijw.jpg

[kokoro]

cool ! challenge is back ! i am in too.... only, what is IRC ?

[The Namek]

Irc is a way of communicating with each other , just like the forum only in realtime.

you need a program like http://www.mirc.com

Type in the status window at the bottom
/server irc.sorcery.net
...
wait till it connects
...
Type
/join #Zbrush3

[kokoro]

ah, thanks the namek. but is there such a tool also for mac ?

very nice entries already. i like your hat, mentat. my challenge contribution ;)
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058273953nxu.jpg
[gallery entry]

EDIT : instead of showing only the wire of the final model i made this little tut. not that it is necessary, as we can see by the heads already there :) but i wanted to emphasis a little texture trick pixolator told me once. this is that you can texture and then divide your model further and keeping the texture...

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058362973jhr.jpg

[DeeVee]

Great to see this back...IRC has been lonely lately...I will have to think about this one... :) :)

[Kircho]

Hi everyone and MTB :)....I have never been apart of the Monday Night Challenge so it will be my pleasure to enter.
I wanted to ask if its possible to import say a low poly mesh from another app like Wings and then modify with Zbrush?

BTW wow what awsome creations so far ... Mentat you work is absolutly amazing!!..It will be my ohnour to be able to compete against such great artists as your selves.

All the best and good luck to all :)

Kiril

[MrBraun]

Great post here !! :D :tu:
Good luck to all zfriends!!!

[Mik]

Ahh, I never could resist a MNC, good to see you've resurrected them MTB.

Here's a WIP of my entry so far:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058278378ooj.jpg

Cool images people, love the render on yours Mr Mentat.

MiK

:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :D

*UPDATE*
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058343194fur.gif
On to some texturing now...
:D

*UPDATE*
Finished

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058362217blx.jpg

[GalleryEntry]

:)

[Frenchy Pilou]

Cool Challenge :cool
As soon as inspiration will come :)
Pilou

[Mahlikus The Black]

Alright! Great stuff guys. Mentat that head is wicked awesome! I wanna see a wire of that bad boy!!

Kircho - One of the main objectives of all challenges is to start and finish in Zbrush...so I am sorry to say no imported mesh. Tell you what though, why don't you post what you were going to import and we will see how to go about making the same starter mesh in ZBrush. :D :tu:

[Ron Harris]

Now I am glad I took the day off for the most part from work. Great to see the MNC going again. Great looking heads so far too I must say. Well here is the start of my own. Texturing will come next I guess. Made from a sphere, 1 piece and the count on the polys is 3876.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058282909vgg.jpg
[GalleryEntry]

script

RonsJulyMNChead1.TXT (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200308/user_file-1058283009zqd.txt)


Textured it a bit and added some eyes


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058285465pxd.jpg
[GalleryEntry]

Will work on some hair for it later I guess..

Added hair today in z

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058380370znw.jpg
[GalleryEntry]

[Fets]

My contribution.
Don't shoot the pianoplayer. http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058292589jgl.jpg

[Equalizer]

Wow! great entries. Mentat7 great job on bringing toady to life.

[Frenchy Pilou]

Hi Fets
Bravo for the title, homage to François Truffaut :cool:
Pilou

[Stargo]

Cool challenge :tu:
A lot of nice looking head models :tu: :tu: :tu:
Here's my contribution

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058307290rgp.jpg

The final rendering without postwork.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058307365xfo.jpg

Stargo

[marciani]

Hi everybody, this is my "FIRST TIME" :D :D
Very interest challenge
Bye
Leo
P.s. These heads are used in my previous work.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058314827xmm.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058314855qbq.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058314883mze.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058314911rmb.jpg


P.s. How can i put a wire model onto the canvas( i see the quick and pf mode, but when i put onto the canvas the model change in smooth..) :qu:

[Gary Komar]

marciani,for wire,use snapshot,then cntrl z or undo will leave wire shot,great modeling and great thread to all
:tu: :tu: :tu:

[andreseloy]

MNC my contribution and always 121 Welcome
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058329907zxa.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058329967upr.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058330104vio.jpg
mario.zip (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200308/user_file-1058451951zgn.zip)

[drjjwow]

heres my entry.. http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058343456qgd.jpg [Gallery Entry]




http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058513300ckp.jpg

[pigma]

This is my entry.Welcome 121 :rolleyes:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058346864vwa.jpg
Thank you.
My Homepage = N-style (http://www.cgisland.com/nstyle/)

[MrBraun]

Hello !! :D
This is my first contributions!! ;)
Completely realized with zsphere.

:b3: Zsphere version :b3:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058360834qay.jpg

:b3: Wire version :b3:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058360934lcv.jpg

:b3: textured version :b3:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058361016osb.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

Tnx for viewing ! :D :tu:

[Mik]

Hi Mr B!

Great character!

:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :)

[DMerchen]

Hey thanks for bringing back the challenge Mike! Looks like I will have to get something done! Excellent work to all!

[marciani]

Mr Braun, bravissimo :tu:
Bye
Leo

[ArfGraf]

Greetings,

This is my first entry in a Monday Night
Challenge. Going to the San Diego Comic-Con the next three days. I'm taking my laptop
and show the folks at the con the magic of Z-Brush. http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058408476zuo.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

[Q-qeo]

Hi all,

This head is made with 3D and 2D brush.

The head and the ears from the sphere.

I'use the blurbrush for the effects.

For the skin I used the stroke tool.

The lighteffect is made in Zbrush.

The background is made with
Photoshop. :rolleyes:


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058426111lpp.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

[Mik]

Chewin' the fat....
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058428962bvz.gif

:D

[kokoro]

hihi, mik yours has a pretty elastic jaw bone :D

i did another head, hope thats ok. this time only 7700 polys, and trying expressions.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058435846owx.jpg
[gallery entry]
and here is the wire
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058435892qzh.jpg

[Gary Komar]

holy cow kokoro those expressions are great,
now thats cool,pix are you watching whats goin on here with your software.care to get in on this and show us up :p :tu: :tu: :tu:

[Fets]

Guess what I caught in my backyard!?
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058446086mmu.jpg
:eek:

[Equalizer]

kokoro great head consider my gob well & truly smacked :tu: :eek: :tu:

[Equalizer]

This is a head i did a few days ago in an inferno style setting :rolleyes:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058471500ksy.jpg

[Frenchy Pilou]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058487117vtz.jpg
[Gallery Entry]
Totaly human :D
Based on this model (http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=384841&Start=13&Artist=Frenchy%5FPilou&ByArtist=Yes)
Modeling : (I do my best) One Sphere3D (coverage 260°) + 2 spheres3D for the eyes :)
Pilou
Ps For this luminous light in hair ? :D
Take a second layer White but drawing with the fiberbrush in the first
It's not clear ? You right :)
If somebody want more I shall make a little tut :)

[andreseloy]

MNC chinese man appearing...


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058493380cuy.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058493404ddq.jpg
always 121 Welcome

[DMerchen]

Frenchy, those are too funny! :tu:

[Deadman Walking]

All Z.
Postwork, No.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058622926pjg.jpg

[Gary Komar]

back to the rule subject on native z,heres a little script-trick for an earlier subject
on modeling with i believe was lilloffe sphere?(spelling) what i use for modeling heads.native ztool.Deadman Walking
welcome and great entry :tu: :tu: http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058625926wsx.jpg
start modeling 2.zip (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200308/user_file-1058625950gyg.zip)

[Frenchy Pilou]

Hi deadman
Welcome aboard :cool:
Great first head :tu:
Have happy Zbrushing!
Pilou

[Deadman Walking]

Thankyou.
Gary Komar your sqsphere is excellent as one can see. Thankyou.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058631063lfd.jpg

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058634696gli.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058778174vrk.jpg

[Mentat7]

Have you noticed? I love aliens and monsters :D

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058633034zrd.jpg

[The Namek]

Yes I have noticed mentat :)

I like orcs :p

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058633320ipg.jpg

[RAMSESIIV]

This is just a wip.
It's been a long time since I've post anything on ZBC hope you like it.
The start model is a zsphere the texture has been adjust in Photoshop but the final work on it was done in texture master.
the stroke at least is made in PSP i'm gonna work a new one only in ZB...
bye
;) http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058639351oyf.jpg

[Mahlikus The Black]

Well I have been really busy this week but I am still in...here is the first modeling session for my MNC Head. I now have to make sure eyeballs fit and then its off to texturing.
He is about 8000+ poly right now.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058652945ygv.jpg


*Modeling Session 2

Still need to fix the profile shape and ears.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058848474lnk.jpg

[RAMSESIIV]

I achieved the second step for this post some details has been added the entire image was made in zbrush and the texture work again in texture master
see you soon on ZBC... http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058657461tjv.jpg

[Mentat7]

A little paint job.......

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058677554slo.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

[50'sKID]

Some great stuff going here. Mentat7, that's a wonderful design,...makes me think of the characters done by Effects Unlimited for the original 'Outer Limits' :tu: 50.

[RAMSESIIV]

third part of the same model.
I've add some details on eyes particulary and on other parts...
Bye http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058719602igr.jpg

:D

[Kircho]

Greetings everyone,
What amazing work has been posted!!!.......I would like to present my work, not in full, but only partially completed. Thats all I've had the time to do , in a 2 hour sitting . Also I just wanted to post for the sake of work authanticity.I hope to update soon.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058782820lsr.jpg

Its basically just the rough form , upon which I will build my features. Must mention a big thanks to Gary Komar for the create script...the cube converted to a sphere script....Its this script alone that has motivated me to take the time to work on this face and so Gary you have my deepest thanks.

------------------
------------------
First Update ::
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058880129vzl.jpg


All the best

Kiril

[Deadman Walking]

One sphere, texture and materials, no other postwork at all.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058792187yco.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058792274rjr.jpg

[Frenchy Pilou]

Hi Deadman
You seem have a fluent style of modeling :cool:
Try to work with the AA format for erase the jaggies :)
Pilou

[Deadman Walking]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058797473jvy.jpg

[Mentat7]

Great looking stuff everyone! Keep it up. We have one more week so if you haven't already contributed I urge you to do so and if you have already posted something why don't you try to take it to the next level...add detailed textures, maybe some props, etc. or maybe do like kokoro has done and make multiple expressions for your character.

Deadman Walking....Paul is that you?

[Mahlikus The Black]

Oh my, there has been some great stuff posted! Mentat's got the idea for extending the challenge in the second week. :tu: :tu:
Remeber, the point is to challenge yourself.
Also, don't forget IRC chat everyone. The server is sorcery.net and the channel is #zbrush3.

You can download a Yahoo/AIM/MSN messenger/irc app called Trillian (its free)@ Download.com (http://download.com.com/3000-2150-10148311.html?tag=lst-0-1)

I have been there for the past few hours (I don't feel like working anymore today). I will be leaving in one hour but I will be back on in two hours afer that..lol. Just come on in and hang out.

See yeah.

[nocturnal451]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058823819ipx.jpg

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058823855gdf.jpg

Lots of great looking heads... Im glad the Monday Night Challenge is back and I get my chance at the challenges... Heres my entry, an old Indian Chief, I might add a background and do some more tweaking to it later... I started with a plain old head (Yes I know, missing an ear ;)) but thought it needed more so I did the headdress... No fancy techniques, 3D Sphere head, the two head bands on the headdress were made by mask/invert/inflate on the head model... Skin texture and most painting was done in Zbrush... Some post work in Photoshop... I couldnt get my Shift/Print Screen feature to work, so I posted the tools.

[Frenchy Pilou]

Hi Nocturnal
Great Indian chief :cool:
Pilou

[Deadman Walking]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058864604okh.jpg

Taking the sphere into the outer limits.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058870371aor.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058876652wkx.jpg

[vincentducos]

hi crew,

here goes my attempt to the thing.
121 welcome (how the hell do i get
rid of the "holes" that appears in
the shadows ?)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058874763ibf.jpg

[DMerchen]

vincentducos: What you can do is put the head on one layer and your plane on a separate layer and possibly paint over the holes. I believe we have seen this before. You can also try the technique described in Pixolators Rusted Golden Idol (http://www.pixolator.com/zbc-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001484) thread. It gives you a little more control over the shadow and saves on render time a lot of the time.

[+Lazarus+]

Wow, Deadman, looking great

[The Namek]

Saw a cool creature from warhammer on Southern's site , off course I didnt have enough patience to make a complete body for it , so I made a head using glenn's image as a little reference. Then I went over it with the smudge brush and it looked like this :)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058892416xoe.jpg

[WingedOne]

Great stuff here! If only if I had a broadband connection ::sigh ::

vincentducos,

Another option you have is to increase the number of shadow rays in your lighting pallette and adjust the aperature to your liking. That should do away with the holes as well.

Here's what I have so far for the challenge.

I'm attempting to do my own interpretation of Weena from H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine".

This actually started out it's life as a cubical skin. I polymeshed together a big box for the head and a small box for the neck, polymeshed them together and then made a cubical skin out of them. I then modelled from there.

I'm also enclosing a Zscript. I refined the model a little further to my liking after recording the ZScript.

Weena2.TXT (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200308/user_file-1058895008hgc.txt)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058895072fzo.jpg

[Mentat7]

I have time for another one...


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058901502bkx.jpg

[Deadman Walking]

Adaptation of the Hobbit


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058906361tnc.jpg

[WingedOne]

Roughing it out a little more.

I changed the shape of the eys slightly and made the top lip a little thicker.

The folds in the eyelids were done with the simple bruh masked off with a stencil to get the sharp line.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058914651kfu.jpg

[vincentducos]

great stuff 'round here.

WingedOne : your eyes are so cool, this
inner light is "muy" catchy. the hair is
cool but plastic doesn't make it.

Deadman, Mentat7 : VERY good work. :tu:

here goes another try :

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058925927rmw.jpg

and a suggestion about next contest :
let's have a plot driven challenge.
a theme instead of the typical "head
modelling" stuff. also something that
would rely more on everyone's personal
vision than on technical ability.

[Mahlikus The Black]

Great images everyone. :tu: :tu: :tu:
I really like the new head Mentat! :eek:
I am off te go play again. But first, here is the same head with extended modeling and a paint/bump job. 15,600 poly...

Keep it rolling! :cool:

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058942650xjx.jpg
[gallery entry]

[PusGhetty]

Great Show!
An amazing variety of heads in this thread... all of which are very cool and well done, great job everyone! There is a ton of raw talent here at ZBC!! Glad to see the Monday Night Challenge back,
Michael
Here's mine so far:
P.s. I modeled this head using Zspheres with adaptive skins.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058947855qqx.jpg

[andreseloy]

Very very nice modeling Pusghetty¡¡
Congratulations

[WingedOne]

Vincentducos,

I'm not done with the hair yet. I was just roughing out some stuff.

[Mentat7]

I decided to texture this one using TextureMaster. I have finished steps one and two. Here is the texture so far.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058972881nes.jpg


I have put a few notes together to help those of you who may wish to use TextureMaster on your own models. I suggest that you download the
Quick Reference Guides (http://www.pixolator.com/zbc-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=010737) if you haven't already done so and follow the instructions regarding the use of TextureMaster. After you have set everything up for the texture you can use the following tips to help you navigate your way to a final textured object.

Remember these are only tips and guidelins...feel free to adjust them to suit your own workflow and habits.

I generally break the texturing phase down into 5 parts. Base coloring, Shadows & Hilights, Blending, Detailing, Tweaking.

:b3:Base Coloring
When I am first setting up my texture I will choose a dark color in the same color scheme that I am planning to texture in. I do this just before I generate the initial new texture so that the model will be already filled with this color when I drop it. To do this make sure you are in edit mode then choose the color, enter a texture size in the TEXTURE pallete and click on NEW (see the TextureMaster Quick Reference Guide). I am then ready to begin texturing. I drop the object and use various brushes along with Spray Stroke to lay down a texture pattern. Then I choose a darker color and begin blocking in dark areas of the model. I then choose a lighter color and block in lighter areas of the model. I then pick the model and repeat the process on all sides. You can use the B & F (back and front) option in TextureMaster to help you texture both sides of the face if your model is symmetrical. It will be necessary at times to rotate your model to a strange angle in order to reach areas that were unreachable and consequently missed during your initial coloring. Make sure when you do this that you turn OFF the B&F function. It would be wise to turn on the ATC (Auto Texture Clone) function in TextureMaster until you feel comfortable with the process. This feature will automatically create a duplicate of the current texture on your model each time you drop it. That way you can always select the previous texture from the TEXTURE pallete should you mess up the texture in a later stage.

:b3:Shadows & Hilights
I work the same way as I did in the first phase....turning and rotating the model, paint, pick, rotate, etc. In this phase I use the Highlighter and the Simple Brush to paint in shadows and Hilights. Be careful and use small RGB settings. It is very easy to overdo it at this stage. The Highlighter brush is especially prone to oversaturation and could give you same very nasty coloring. So use it in moderation. You can experiment with other brushes and brush settings at this stage as well. The Intensity brush works well for some applications as does the Paintbrush with Bristle Mode on. Feel free to experiment and find the tools that you feel most comfortable with. I generally do a quick shadow and highlite setup across the entire model then I go back and use a small brush size with higher RGB settings to paint in tighter details and lines. The idea here is to get 90% of your shadows and hilights completed during this phase. You will tweak them later.

:b3:Blending
During this phase I look over the model and try to locate any abnormal color seperations. These generally occur during the the first two phases. You will often seen a harsh line form where you were texturing an area that covers another part of the model. You can work these areas out by using the smudge and blur tools. Remember that you are not limited to painting on texture. You can smudge and manipulate your texture as well and TextureMaster will pick it up when you push the Pick button. Again, rotate the model, drop, smudge and blur, pick, rotate, etc etc. Work around the entire model until you are satisfied.

:b3:Detailing
During this phase I use various brushes and higher RGB settings to drop in detail. The DOTS stroke is ideal for this as is the DRAG RECTANGLE stroke. This is the stage when you will paint in fine crisp detail such as skin cracks, wrinkles, warts, bumps, etc. Remember that the key here is to use a higher RGB setting. At low texture sizes the colors will tend to bleed a bit on the edges so stronger colors are necessary. You can experiment as long as you have the ATC button activated in TextureMaster. If you don't like the results you can go back to the last texture in the TEXTURE pallete and try again. You can use this stage of the process to actually paint in detail that didn't otherwise exist in the mesh.

:b3:TWEAKING
Obviously texturing a model is a somewhat lengthy process and problems and oversights will occur. During the last phase of the texturing you will tweak the model....you will correct minor flaws, add additional hilights and shadwows as necessary, reinforce the color of washed out details, etc. Basically make your final corrections and then you are done. Make sure to save your model and when it asks if you wish to save the associated texture click YES. Also after you have finished you may choose a material that has a color bump setting in it. You may see a grid pattern appear in your texture. If so simply go to TOOL>INVENTORY>EXPORT and export the model as an .obj file. Then deselect the model and clear the screen. Then draw the model out onto the workspace again (it is not necessary to import the .obj you created - the process was used to fix the ZTool). You should see the grid pattern is now gone. This works most of the time. There have been a few occasions that it hasn't work for me but it is usually not too detrimental to the texture.


Again these have just been my own personal tips and guidelines. Feel free to develop your own. There are so many more things you can do in TextureMaster that I haven't even mentioned so if you have questions or problems feel free to ask me about it and I will attempt to steer you in the right direction.

Cheers,
Lonnie
:)

[coffin]

here's mine :). all one sphere3D that i really messed up lol. i know its weird but hey :) no texture on it just some lighting that i thought looked interesting. the reason its a weird alien head is i couldn't decide to do a human or an alien so i did an alien with both ;)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1058994240jit.gif

[WingedOne]

Coffin, I really like the lighting on that one. :tu:

Here's the latest update on mine.

To reiterate, I'm doing an interpretation of the character of "Weena" from H.G. Wells "The Time Machine".

There's a ZScript that I posted of my head modelling session that's further up in this thread on page 5.

The hair was done with the snake hook. More work will be done on the hair later. I did a little more work on the coloring and material on the lips and adjusted the teeth a little bit. I also added eyelashes with the simple brush, but I still need to make them darker.

The body was a separate Zsphere object placed below the head.

Eventually she's going to be holding flowers in case your wondering what's going on with the hand.

For the tunic, I made a lower-rez and slightly smoother copy of the body ZSphere and placed it on a separate layer and did some erasing. The sleeves were added on using a tapered hollow cylinder. Wrinkles were added with the simple brush and the hook brush at the borders (using a very large draw size for the hook brush).

The pattern was done using the sperical blend material with a different alpha loaded into channel one.

Edit: The placement of the head was a little off and it was driving me crazy and I couldn't go to sleep until it was fixed. :)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059011264tyo.jpg

[upham]

The shader on this one is great Winged One! Very nice skin material, and the cloth looks excellent!

Mentat7: great explaination! Belongs in the Quicklinks!
I must give this challange a whirl!
Upham :)

[3D affects]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059009322ifo.jpg

[Mentat7]

Ummm...3D affects....that is a nice looking scene...except.....well.....the challenge is a "Head Challenge" :D

[Deadman Walking]

More single sphered heads. Six heads, total sphere sculpting time = 2hrs 10 mins. Is ZBrush fast, or what!

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059012462dum.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059012586xfl.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059016066pdg.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059018834whn.jpg


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059023354ubv.jpg

Last one for a while as I seem to be hogging the board, not intended.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059030096ebd.jpg

[Hymnofnot]

Ello All..

My Wireframe is icky compared ta everyone elses (Thats what I get for using a maxed 3dSphere) think I'll try WingedOnes Idea starting with a cube..
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059079387xio.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

I haven't had much time near a comp lately..but I do believe I'm getting better.

ciao

-= Me =-

[WingedOne]

Here's an update. I added a background as well as some additional details and some material tweaking. The head in the previous post was a little too young-looking. Hopefully I succeeded in making the face look a little more mature.

After this, I'll be doing some post-work. Plus, the eyelashes still could use a little tweaking.

I guess I went a little beyond just head modelling with this challenge. :rolleyes: I'll try to do another head by itself before Sunday.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059079874jjg.jpg

[andreseloy]

Beutiful WingedOne...i very nice your post
Congratulations

[Mentat7]

And the fabulous Winged One tradition continues! :tu:

[WingedOne]

Thanks, Andreseloy and Mentat7. :)

Well, I'm calling this finished now.

Most of the postwork was on the hair using combinations of the smudge brush and the simple brush using the "once color" button in the picker pallette. Then I added hightlights with the highlighter brush.

The rest of the postwork was fixing up some things here and there, such as the border between the jaw and neck and the shading on the hair flower, etc.


(Weena, "The Time Machine", H.G. Wells)

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059093476noh.jpg

[Gallery Entry]

[Ron Harris]

A couple more heads for the pile
Older base models touched up a bit, and as you can tell I was on a sharp teeth and blue hair kick.
Blue Clown
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059101360sgb.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

Blue Vamp

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059101410kdj.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

[drjjwow]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059107426gvl.jpg

[kokoro]

wingedone-i like yours very much. :)

mentat - thanks for the tut. i did not know that stronger rgb settings prevent color bleeding. i always increased texture size when this hapened. also, it is interersting to see how other people do things. i have in principle the same steps, but much more erratic ;)

i will try your organized method on my alien (it was a sphere), but i guess texturing will be a nightmare on him.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059110340eup.jpg

and here is his wire

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059110464mae.jpg

[vincentducos]

wingedOne : well, next time i'll just shut up my big f**** mouth. great pic. great hair! :D :D

[Mentat7]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>At low texture sizes the colors will tend to bleed a bit on the edges so stronger colors are necessary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kokoro stronger RGB values do not prevent bleeding. I simply use stronger RGB so that in the event bleeding does occur my color does not get washed out completely. A low RGB value in the color may in some cases result in the bleed completely washing out the color and you get nothing more than what looks like a stain. :)

[Frenchy Pilou]

Hi WingedOne
Bravo for your interpretation :cool:
No doubt that you or other who love HG Wells find some interest in this link :cool: (http://drzeus.best.vwh.net/wotw/wotw.html)
Thx Dr Zeus :)
Pilou

[kokoro]

thanks mentat for clarifying, as i tried and had bleeding. was already wondering what you meant.

here is my alien textured. modeling and texturing altogether 3 hours. zbrush is wonderful for that kind of works. and your method mentat made it speed up even more. thanks.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059135754puk.jpg
[galery entry]

[PusGhetty]

Thanks Andres!
More fantastic entries!
Just a wonderful thread... Great to see so much participation!
Here is my finished piece, Finished it last night... about five hours total... from beginning of modeling session to finished rendered piece.
Take care,
Michael

"Escapee B420"

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059146279xmu.jpg

[Gallery Entry]

[kokoro]

wow, very nice texturing job !

[Mentat7]

This is probably the final texture. All of this was done in TextureMaster. There are a few flaws in it which were unavoidable due to the fact I only used a 2048 x 2048 texture. I should probably have made a 4096 x 4096 texture.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059195858ajb.jpg

[Mahlikus The Black]

Thats an amazing job!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Texturing is wicked sweet! :tu:

[Deadman Walking]

What have we here? A rendered ZBtool, tilted slightly forward
and placed here with no postwork.
This is not a good model, the
modeling needs to be completed. And it lacks 'life', although has potential.
Most of the Deadman models, have only achieved half the 'life' they contain,
this is attributed to laziness.
This tool here is posted to portray incomplete sculpting.
In the near future an update will be posted which will hopefully
help others recognise their own sculpting abilities.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059213441yfn.jpg

[Kircho]

High Dead man walking ,
I like your last piece very much, its very pleasing to the eye and shows some great skill in zbrush.....I wanted to ask if it alright how you shieve such well defined eye lids and lips , I have had enourmas trouble reaching a crisp definition such as yours.

great work once again

Kircho

[andreseloy]

121 Welcome
Final image for this wonderful MNC
Congratulations to all¡¡¡¡

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059241667sff.jpg

[Curious]

Hi guys,

This is my first head. Excuse the pinch on the nose, I realized half way through that I was modeling with the top of the sphere facing me (stupid noob!)

I don't know how to place in eyes yet, and haven't even tried texturing.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059248395zkx.jpg

[Kircho]

Hi guys,
after an arduis 2 hours of modelling I have completed at least the modelling stage of my face.....Initially I was trying to model a burns victim and then and old man and somewhere during that I think I reached a half way point between the two :D ..
If I get some time today I hope to add some alpha maps with pours and maybe try on the tri shader.... ::

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059258003two.jpg


The reason why some of the parts are chopped off and the head is at funny angles is that I had problems creating the polymesh after MMing the eye balls in..?...I think maybe a poly overload....130 K without eye balls.
Here are some more shots ::

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059258214ret.jpg


Also as some of you have probably already noticed there are black spackles in the eye area...After I subdvided this area a couple of times I was getting these little dots...and when I turned to mesh mode the polies in that area were green??

Anyways...I'm not complaining alhtough it would be great to be able to edit objects while in MM mode and not be able to move points on a model when they are hidden!!...its was great fun making this and I must thank you MTB for the challenge it has really helped me get back on track interms of my modelling0 :tu:

===================
Just a small update as promised, as its the final night of the challange. This is my first experiment with the tri shader and its works amazingly well. If by tonight I don't add the alpha map and eyes balls this will be my final image ::
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059398950imz.gif

All the best guys

Kircho

[Bonecradle]

Hi Kircho

Glad to see you're back into the modelling - after an enforced break I find myself slipping away too.

I've seen a couple of people mention that it isn't possible to edit multimarked objects recently so thought I'd stop and say, the good news is, yes you can :)

Check out this thread (http://www.pixolator.com/zbc-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=009664) for details.

You can also obviously edit your polymeshed object; this thread (http://www.pixolator.com/zbc-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=011335) explains how to select and mask separate parts of it to make this easier.

I think the speckles you are seeing are a graphical glitch rather than a problem with the mesh. I have encountered them several times on high poly models, especially when switching the wireframe on and off. They have always disappeared with texturing.

Hope this helps :)

[Muvlo]

Looking through all of these pages there's a lot of amazing work... modeling, texturing, lighting, eyeballs and ears, rendering, details, designs, emotions and expressions, animations, and tips. Great work, everyone! :D

Here is my model:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059295793rgh.jpg

And a rendered version with added things:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059295743wwd.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

[andreseloy]

Hy Muvlo, I really love this post.I like very much this kindly figure and the type of painting it.
Congratulations.
ps:can you share something from your wonderful painting step? Is really beutiful.
Thanks in advance

[andreseloy]

121 Welcome
I was making this image and ZB scracht when i was beginning the texture master. I suppose that have a lot of poly...so.. this one in my other PC where i have 1000MB Ram does not work too..scracht too.(i dont understand what happen)
but the intention is here¡¡¡
Congratulations.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059306056qbo.jpg

[RAMSESIIV]

I prepare a new one but I don't Know if this could be finished for Monday.
See You soon on ZBC http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059314194zte.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059340837dkl.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059343237gxn.jpg
;)

[andreseloy]

Hy RAMSESIIV... Great work as always...i enjoy everytime can i see your post¡¡¡
Congratulations

[TVeyes]

Damn the challenges got of to a flying start!. Great. Loads of great entries :tu:

Just a sphere3D for the head, currently at 108k polygons. I'll post the wire and such tomorrow evening together with the finished head. Hopefully.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059324599rpv.jpg

[Muvlo]

Thanks, Andreseloy. :)

The painting took place on many levels. First with Texture Master, then with the 2.5D tools and the color tools. After I rendered, I baked and painted with the Fiber Brush and the Snake Hook. More baking, bluring, smudging and smoothing followed. That's all! ;)

[Ron Harris]

Another version of the blue clown with "helix" hair. Looked strange so here he is.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059337185cob.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

This has been a very fun thread so far I have to say. Some outstanding works have been exhibited to say the least. Kudos ya'll.

[andreseloy]

Hy Ron this post ver nice...just changing the hairdo and looks great¡¡¡
Congratulations

[RAMSESIIV]

last work for today i rerender the final file
with some glow effect and remove some details on skull. http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059349716zmo.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059349744qew.jpg
:D :D :D

[vincentducos]

:b2: hi all :b2:
a few shots of a new specie.
:b1: :b1: :b1:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059349667ncg.jpg
:b3: :b3: :b3:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059349715aeo.jpg

::the (way too divided) mesh ::
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059349918pft.jpg

[rhom]

hey RamsesIIV-I can't remember a more perfect poster boy for Anarchy-you've captured that StarbucksStoreSmashing look!Excellent.

[TVeyes]

Heh, I was testing the tubes coming from his head and I suddenly got an idea and ran with it. Still hoping to post wireframe and finished head this evening.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059381418awg.jpg
[Gallery Entry]


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059431822gmj.jpg

[andreseloy]

Just fantastic composition...
Congratulations

[andreseloy]

121 Welcome
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059388389oio.jpg

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059388407mqj.jpg

[vincentducos]

struggling with the same old problem...
giving different bumps (in extenso : different
materials) to a model is a nightmare. :confused:
i don't get it. i'll give another shot at
the quicklinks, and threads, and tuts, but
it seems useless. i'll always have the seam.
i know it's a well documented feature, here
at zbc, but if such a thing is possible,
will any master take the time to do the
most valuable Zscript tut, SHOWING how the
heck this effect can be achieved ?
anyway, this little Pelicalien has two materials
on him. but i had to blur the seam. :mad:
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059396390geb.jpg

btw: he's got no ears, mostly because of his brain's size, that allowed a good thelepatic
abilities development. ;)

[Bluesman]

Well I just have to join in on all this fun.

Great images everyone!

Bluesman
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059396849gzp.jpg

[Deadman Walking]

Practice. Trying the fur brush tool thing.

[Deadman Walking]

Practice. Trying the fur brush tool thing. Not much of an image, but it was something to do.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/uploaded_from_zbc/200307/user_image-1059404594epn.jpg

[Equalizer]

I think its a great image Deadman it reminds me of bigfoot with a hint off king kong. I'd like to see it with more fur niceley blended in a little. keep up the good work! :rolleyes:

[juandel]

excellent images, everybody! each page of this thread a masterpiece :) :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

- juandel

[nephiliim]

Hey there everybody,

This Is my first serious facial attempt with Zbrush2.
Also this post is my first here.

I started out from a single ZSphere with a couple of moved in Zspheres for the eyes, ears and mouth.

I hope you like it, comments and advice always welcome.

4raster.jpg
4 maal.jpg
kopf.jpg

All the best,

Nephiliim

[Atomicdog]

Here is mine:

alien_brown.jpg
[Gallery Entry]

Around 700 000 polygones. All done in ZBrush. Started with Zspheres. Hope you like it!

[nephiliim]

can you put up the frame pic to?

very cool stuff by the way

I still have to get around working with the projection master....

allready started but haven't figured it out completly yet..

All the best,

Nephiliim

[MAKAVELI THE DON]

2pac 3d beta 1.0 ;)

[warreng_online]

Hello everyone,

This is my very first posting. I am uploading a quick and simple (well, not too simple) Sphere3D modeling. I was just messing around, learning the tools.

full_head.jpg

Color in Photoshop (But I now use the Projection Master - really cool and less of a headache)

full_head2.jpg

Tell me what you think.

Warren

P.S. Also visit www.swiftdev.com (http://www.swiftdev.com/) - 3D Web Application with animation. Will be looking for 'fur' on here for Zbrush. Love the Zscripts! What a concept!

[MAKAVELI THE DON]

voici une creation de ma part c tupac amaru shakur :tu: 2pac 3d on the sky 33 copy.jpg

[nephiliim]

sculls.jpg another project I started, it isn't finished yet (waiting for my tablet)



All the best,

Nephiliim

[madlight_1988]

here's mine:was done for spectacular challenge.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/attachment.php?attachmentid=19737

[shatteredhalo349]

okay first real post here. this was something i did about a year or so ago, when i first discovered zbrush:

a pug with no eyes
http://www.chaosworkshop.com/pug.jpg

and now i've been working through the practical guide, and i just so happen to be working on a head... so yeh, WIP.
http://www.chaosworkshop.com/head.jpg

http://www.chaosworkshop.com/head2.jpg

[misspissy]

:o hey .. i just got my zbrush.. been only like 8 days .. been trying sooo hard to cram my brain with info.. just to have it leak out .. but here are the first 2 things i made so far..:)mymonster.jpg kla.jpg

sorry i uploaded pics that i put photoshoped text into .. it's the only import i saved .. :confused:

[Ashtalon]

my first thing ever done in zbrush... i dont know how to pant the stupid thing but i'll figure it out eventually. i used a zphere3d and the touchpad on my laptop to make this goblin looking thing - i dont know it freaked my mom out lol:lol:


http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/567/asdfasdfasdfasdf2jn.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfasdfasdfasdf2jn.jpg)

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8107/jnjuionjuiopjnoiuuno8gr.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jnjuionjuiopjnoiuuno8gr.jpg)