Caliban Vs Texturing (ROUND 1)

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

After hours and hours (notice I havn't upped an artwork for some time now, has to be a record for me =P)

I finally taken texturing by the neck and conqured it. Well I like to think so.

Thank you all for your help (too many to name, you know who you are) I finally understand This whole texture thing.

And you know what? you were all right, it isn't that hard at all. All it takes is carefull planning :)

Well here it is, the product of my hard work, and your generous patience..

As always, comments are welcome.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019197409ath.jpg

[filament9]

Hi Caliban,
What you've accomplished is, actually, a very believable skin texture. The color variations, especially the jaw and chin area work perfectly. Round 1 is definately yours!

[MrBraun]

Hi Cal!!! Good texturing !!! As you see I force it it comes always repaid!!!
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[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Thanks guys :)

It actually keyed into me, that unlike the modelling in ZBrush; the texturing really needs some sort of organisation to it.

With the modelling, you can play it by ear. However with texturing you need to plan it out a little bit more.

I also got the most use out of alpha brushes, I think i've ever had. I followed some of Southerns tips on his website, which helped immensly (thanks southern!)

[drjjwow]

your artwork is starting to be brilliant.. your texturing is coming along just fine.. keep up with the newly learned technique..

[Ron Harris]

very nice job.....i thought it was Casper Van Diem or whatever his name is from Battlefield Earth....(which being in a minority I loved the flick) You are really knocking out those heads..and they are all looking very good :tu: :tu: :tu:

[DM]

You managed to lose the blandness of the Poser head used, and turn it into Magwitch of Great Expectations.
Dave

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Thanks guys for your comments :) I hope my next project to be much much better though. (I've already uploaded some WIP screens of it, if your interested)

DM, blandness of the poser head? I dont have poser, dont intend on getting it either. Have you seen that price tag on that baby! Holy Geez Louise!, And on another note, Great Expectations is one of my favorite books :D

[DM]

Well here's a Poser head imported into ZBrush, before and after I worked on it. I think you would agree it bears an uncanny similarity, particularly where it parted company from the rest of the Poser figure.
Dave http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019252653yxj.jpg

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Agreed. It does look very similar!! I just used various anatomy books I have laying around my work desk and my sound knowledge of human proportions. hmm, maybe I should get poser afterall, it would save a heck of a lot of time for heads...

How long did it take you to create that similar head with poser?

Damn that's two wierd things in one week.

First I create model that looks identical to Nicholas Cage.

Second I create a model that looks alot like a poser head...

LOL, this has been a FUN week! hehe...

I wonder if Michael Jackson will pop up in my next creation =P

[Kathy]

This IS weird Cal!

Cause the polygons on your head (top part) match exactly to the ones of DMs post.

Who da thunk???

But the texturing is cool. ;)

[Slosh]

Hmmmm.

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

I dont think they are polygons though. It may be in the texture. When I was doing it, I cut and pasted a smaller texture I made, next to each other, it created like tiles. I tried to smooth it over but it didn't really work too well :(


It's really not a poser model, please dont think it is, I don't even have poser! Besides you've seen all my other artwork, why would I use a poser model now, when I can do perfectly fine models without? Well I like to think they are perfectly fine =P

[Stonecutter]

Geez Cal...This is getting embarrasing... :rolleyes:

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Whats getting embarrasing?

I just don't see the point to bickering about it.

Theres no point in "yes you did, no I didn't yes you did" It just displays immaturity, and besides.. people believe what they want to believe whether its the truth or not. It doesn't upset me it's just a part of life.

There's always going to be people who believe in you and people who dont. I just spend my time with people who do.

I'll continue to post my artworks here and be an active member of this forum, as long as you enjoy seeing my artworks and enjoy my conversation always going to be people who believe in you and people who dont. I just spend my time with people who do.

[Kathy]

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019257306ych.jpg


WEIRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's the greyscale of Caliban's over the colored render of DMs.

Hard to see the difference looking through a 45% transparancy.

Where the hell is Michael Jackson when ya need him? :D :D

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

'A successful man is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him.'

Thats making A LOT of sense right now Kathy

:D

[Ron Harris]

I like the lips on it...reminds me of Emtet or however ya spell it..on the Mummy...well back to beating the kids.... :D they are seriously taking away my Z time...TGIF

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Hey ron, did you check out my latest update of that gremlin guy I was working on, Its floating around there somwhere, maybe 3rd or 4th down, Lemme know what you think :D

[Gerlon]

If anyone is skilled at modelling Im sure they could convert a poser figure to look similar to Cal's head. I mean, poser heads are made to look real, and Caliban can certainly make his heads look real. So, if you take a realistic poser head and a realistic Caliban made head and apply similar changes to them you would get extremely similar looking heads. Or at least thats my theory :rolleyes:

[DM]

But you would not get the exact join line that happens when you save a Poser head on its own. Caliban would have been clever indeed, to have exactly matched the Poser join line by accident.
Dave

[Mentat7]

Hi Cal. I just had a thought. Why don't you just post the head tool you created. That would put all the accusations to rest and you could sit back and rake in the apologies. Just a thought... :)

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

I no longer have the head tool. I never saved it. I just modelled it, textured it as a small test. Hence why the image never went further than it is there.

And I don't need apologies man; as I said earlier. People will believe what they want to believe, thats all fine and dandy with me. I'll continue to be an active member of this forum and post my artwork, as long as people continue to enjoy my artwork, and enjoy my conversations. It's too trivial to play "proof games". Heck I think it's too trivial to have reached this many posts over.

*shrugs* maybe that's just me.

[Slosh]

Just like the head you told me you didn't save, but it showed up in about 6 more of your pictures, 2 - 5 times each.

That's cool. You do your thing. I think I will just bypass what I don't care to see.

But, I'm man enough to say that I like most of your stuff, I just think you are stretching a bit. Maybe I'm wrong, just what I think.

[Kathy]

Don't confuse facts for bricks Cal.

But hey, more power to ya. If it makes you happy to claim it. Rock on.

[DeeVee]

I cannot help you but I am sure there are folks here who can.

[Mentat7]

Integrity is a fragile commodity. We should each and everyone of us endeavor to ensure its continued existence............

[[EA]Krippler]

i will say this, i happen to like looking at cal's artwork because its all different. everyone of us, whether poser is used or not. about 15% of all the stuff i have done in zbrush has been with a poser head and the rest i have modeled from scratch. i have had poser for a very long time and i know what the models look like, and if anyone really wants to know ill tell you. look at the eyelids. these are very hard to duplicate with such acuracy i believe.
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019289846yho.jpg http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019289861lek.jpg
http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1019290206xbc.jpg
i believe credit should be given where credit is due. i will continue to enjoy your work regardless.

[thelonious]

DM, Kathy, Stonecutter.

The only thing that is "embarassing" is your sarcastic and determined efforts to discredit and ridicule Caliban.

So what, do you want a medal for your detective work, need to show everyone how "clever" you are. Can't the montrous ego's take a back seat for a while.

What the hell does it really matter. Who appointed you guys the poser police of the forum, to seek out any discrepancy and expose it.

What is your goal? to drive Caliban away, what possible purpose could your relentless "proof" possibly have?

Maybe Caliban is a human being, why can't he have the benefit of the doubt. This really shows how fragile you are and why you defend each other to the death.

I have enjoyed Caliban's efforts on the forum immensely.

This is the saddest attack on a member by those who one would think would have some compassion. Pathetic.

[GUS]

Very well said thelonious, I agree with you 100% I remember when ***** I don't want to say the name. You already say it, was using premodeled 3D animals and flowers. Even premade textures.

Caliban good job. :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

By the way I use POSER, Photoshop and 3D objects myself so who cares. I DON'T, DO YOU?

just my 2 cents.. I am getting tired of this kaka from these members, attacking Caliban who's very smart to get upset.

[DM]

When newbies come on to the forum it can be very discouraging, as I know from my own experience, to find others apparently able to do things in a short space of time that they find they cannot. I’ve seen some excellent work from newbies, which maybe doesn’t have the more professional finish that could be produced if Poser had been included, go down the page with maybe 10 comments. You can get another newbie who, it is obvious, is using Poser getting high accolades for their work and comments come from them that almost amount to “Aw shucks guys this is so embarrassing, just because I’m brilliant”. There are huge egos on the forum and it generally doesn’t come from those whose work I have seen that are done in only ZBrush.
I have made it quite clear in the past I use Poser but have not used it on the Forum. Anything I use Poser for, I recognise that the Poser part of it is design work not some great creative artwork, if I included it on the forum I would make it quite clear that I was doing that. Aurick is an example of somebody who acknowledges he uses Poser figures, so leaves the viewer to judge those items of work that he has created himself, he is not trying to take the credit for something he hasn’t done, I have no problem with that. I have never said people shouldn’t use Poser, unlike your comment on a thread of mine, Thelonious, where you said you were fed up with people using Poser on the forum. Is that only if they own up to it, but if they try to fool people, that's okay?
When Southern pointed out that a character calling himself My Own Hand was using Bryce backgrounds claiming they were ZBrush it was all, “way to go Southern”, and “we don’t want cheats on our forum”, no sympathy for him, I had none either. I actually realised later that it might well have been somebody that had got fed up with the sycophantic attitudes and double standards that some members seem to suffer, had then left the forum coming back under another name that actually said it all, ’My Own Hand ‘.
I would have preferred that ZBrush forum was just that, that’s obviously not the way it is, but I say at least give newbies a chance don’t try to fool people with work you haven’t created, say what you have used. In sport we don’t admire the sportsman who takes performance enhancing drugs secretly, so if you use commercial art enhancing input in your work own up, because we are not all sycophantic suckers.
Dave

[gRek]

what is this guys! we are here to bring us the oportunity to show to the people what we are learning and enjoining, in my case i only use zbrush for fun, i came from 3d studio max and maya, 3d programs that i am sure that you guys now, well i am not here reading post and looking to see stupidity around me... i am a really newbie and be sure that i don´t use poser i hate this program... but if anyone want to use it, it´s free!

well caliban i love your artwork man i think that you know =) :tu: :tu:

kiss for all that want a kiss!
and sorry for my english!

[Belleski]

Cailiban, I believe you.
Love your posts. BTW. I thought that you conqured texturing long ago! Carry on.
Lets see some more! :D

[Slosh]

DM said it quite well, I think. As for Caliban using Poser or being completely original, it wouldn't matter, except that one should be honest when expecting accolades from one's peers. And Caliban very obviously is one who needs a lot of reassurance as he is constantly looking for it. I think his imagination and ability to put together an image is first rate, don't get me wrong, but please don't claim to be something you are not. That,IMNSHO, is where Kathy, SC, and any others are coming from. Thelonius, you are obviously mad at these people for past aggressions, so you are the first to take Caliban's side, but remember...you also had opposition to using Poser in Zbrush. I think art is art, no matter how you create it, but if any of us is to learn from others, it is important to be honestly made aware of the methods used. Hipocrasy is a very damaging thing. I hope Caliban will consider coming back, even despite any earlier comments or opinions I may have had. He does have a good talent.

[Caliban Tiresias Darklock]

Slosh; Consider comming back? I never left. I'm still activly posting on other areas of the forum.

I personally don't see the point in posting here. Are people going to beleive what I say? Of course not. That's fine by me. But sitting in this thread, bitching about it is a sign of immaturity.

It's not as if I had produced very average work, then all of a sudden pulled out this head. Then you could argue why wasn't any of my previous work up to that standard.

If you question, or doubt my abilities that's your problem not mine. Maybe if some of you didn't spend so long in this thread trying to argue on the internet, you might actually see some of my 'other' work.


Remember boys and girls, arguing on the internet is like running in the spastic olympics. Even if you win; your still retarded.

[Slosh]

And the gold medal goes to...

I'm through here. Good luck, sport.

[thelonious]

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Hi Slosh,

Maybe things aren't always as obvious as they seem.

This is not really to do with poser at all. It is to do with something much darker.