VIDEO - Render Layers and Texturing

[DarthWayne]

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Part 1 20 mins (texturing the head by hand) (http://www.dashdotslash.net/VideoTutorials/ZbrushHeadPaintingPT1.rar)

Part 2 22mins (using render layers) (http://www.dashdotslash.net/VideoTutorials/ZbrushHeadPaintingPT2.rar)

Quicktime required (files are zipped as winrar files to save space)


Veoh Links

Part 1 on Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v8079397rpNQDk7?c=DigitalSculpts)

Part 2 on Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v808080dNJARWPa?c=DigitalSculpts)



Topics covered:

Speed texturing by hand without photo reference

Rendering out lay passes

Compositing and adjusting layer passes in photoshop

Use of cavity masking as a texturing tool


This video runs 42 mins in total and covers the process from texturing to final render using render passes and compostiing them in photoshop. My intention with these two videos was to outline the main concepts in an easy to understand way.

Enjoy

Wayne...

[bicc39]

Many thanks, believe problem with the link:cry:

[DarthWayne]

Many thanks, believe problem with the link:cry:Links fixed now. :) I realised that I'd forgot to add them a few mins ago..good job I wasn't away for a few days lol.

Wayne...

[gothax]

Great Tutorial!
Thank you very much for sharing.

[SagaN]

Hi there

Downloaded the clips and they jusr render black

Is it maybe possible to upload them as avi files

Dont know why but the mudbox vids from yout homepage all play fine

Thanks

Sagan

[tarik395]

very good tutorial :D :D :D

thank you so much

[DarthWayne]

Hi there

Downloaded the clips and they jusr render black

Is it maybe possible to upload them as avi files
They are encoded as H264 codec under quicktime so maybe you need to update it, although its odd how the others work fine (all use the same codec).

For those still having problems I've added a few veoh links to the tutorials as well to the 1st post.

Wayne...

[Buckie]

Hmmm that Veoh site looks nice, what's the deal with getting your own page DW, did you have to pay for that???

What software did you use to record the sessions???

Sorry nosey bugger here, great work BTW...

[DarthWayne]

Hmmm that Veoh site looks nice, what's the deal with getting your own page DW, did you have to pay for that???

What software did you use to record the sessions???

Sorry nosey bugger here, great work BTW...Nah its completely free mate, took me a while to work out how to customise the look, but isn't too bad. Its got some good options for letting you upload to otehr sites like youtube automatically (I haven't tried that bit yet myself though.)

I used camtasia for recording the sessions, it can eat up a fair bit of resources but does a good job.

'Eventally' I'l be uploading the rest of my free vids to it in a seperate section, mainly as it saves bloody space on my site..I'm not short of it, but if to many people download at the same time server gets slow.

Wayne...

[Buckie]

Yeah I'm thinking bandwidth, seems like a good little set up, cheers for the reply... :tu:

[Blaine91555]

Thank you Wayne :tu:

I know creating this stuff eats up lots of time and it is appreciated.

[Vexona]

awesome!!

[calum5ZB]

Now that's what I needed for a long time!Thanks once more,I totally agree with Blaine91555 and am one very apprieciative learner!

cal

[-WOODY-]

That was very cool and educational. I never thought of doing compositing like that before.

...and here I use Photoshop everyday.

[DarthWayne]

I'm glad you all found it useful, I'll be puting out a few more freebies as I have time to encode and release them. :)

Wayne...

[Zanrok]

thanks so much wayne!

i watched the first video.. gonna watch the 2nd one now.. is it possible to include the materials u used on the head? in particular the skin shaders u were switching back and forth with! all of them looked very interesting :)

Thanks again! :tu:

[calum5ZB]

Update crit~lol. Hey can you translate from the Geordish tones to Southern git for me! Just kidden,you sound like Sir Alan Shearer(hope your not from sunderland)!I wanted to ask if you have anything else on layers ? I enjoyed your methods and was wondering how come so many layers ? I need to freeze frame your video to remember the layer types for each pass.With photoshop they are to hard to see apart from when you select the type of style at first which threw me a little due to you looking through several outcomes .Could I ask if there are any golden rules when setting down layers . I have seen a few other artists show around 4 layers on average but the opacity and styles (in general ?) for each layer seem to be the part Im missing . I appreciate that each image will be different and will use differing settings but its the basis Im trying to find instead of my add randomly n see method .A little opacity slide here and there.etc etc .Thats about my method summed up!:rolleyes:
Giving all that help and I come and bombard you with questions.Im sorry Wayne,I learn everything from you guys and tutorial Dvd's ! I hope to help others when Im able to also . How did you learn about layering in photoshop with characters in mind ?Is there a resource anywhere or was it college.
I cant find what Im looking for as yet..

Well,just a final note agin of THANKS .Your time spent doing what you do is greatly appreciated and I hope you dont mind me asking those questions.They may benefit others reading on this thread too.Maybe Im the only one that missed some basic stuff at birth into 3d.(probally).

Cal :tu:

[DarthWayne]

Update crit~lol. Hey can you translate from the Geordish tones to Southern git for me! Just kidden,you sound like Sir Alan Shearer(hope your not from sunderland)!I wanted to ask if you have anything else on layers ? I enjoyed your methods and was wondering how come so many layers ? I need to freeze frame your video to remember the layer types for each pass.With photoshop they are to hard to see apart from when you select the type of style at first which threw me a little due to you looking through several outcomes .Could I ask if there are any golden rules when setting down layers . I have seen a few other artists show around 4 layers on average but the opacity and styles (in general ?) for each layer seem to be the part Im missing . I appreciate that each image will be different and will use differing settings but its the basis Im trying to find instead of my add randomly n see method .A little opacity slide here and there.etc etc .Thats about my method summed up!:rolleyes:
Giving all that help and I come and bombard you with questions.Im sorry Wayne,I learn everything from you guys and tutorial Dvd's ! I hope to help others when Im able to also . How did you learn about layering in photoshop with characters in mind ?Is there a resource anywhere or was it college.
I cant find what Im looking for as yet..

Well,just a final note agin of THANKS .Your time spent doing what you do is greatly appreciated and I hope you dont mind me asking those questions.They may benefit others reading on this thread too.Maybe Im the only one that missed some basic stuff at birth into 3d.(probally).

Cal :tu:Nope not from Sunderland, in fact if someone wanted to be REALLY technical as I was born in south west Durham I dont qualify as a 'true geordie' as I wasnt born in sight of the river Tyne...but anyway I digress.

My approach to layer compositing may be a little different to some peoples. Although using multiple and screen modes are my usual choices I do often try other ones as well to see if I get a more interesting effect in post. I'll drag out the photoshop document tomorrow and attach it here so everyone can get a better feeling for things.

I'll also if I have time knock out a quick word document with some basic guidelines etc. (Been a long day and my mouth feels like hell ..had an extraction at the dentists today.) I am entirely self taught and this whole thing basically came from some composting theory I absorded into my head along my 'travels' in 3D.

One day I was sitting thinking how it can sometimes be a pain to have to tweak a shader for example to get the specularity you need. It just seemed to make the most sense to use a compositing technque as its both flexable and saves time in the long run I find.

I use as many render passes as I feel I need at the time (currently I working on a workflow for better quality subsurface shader effects for human skin...something more rocksolid and predictible than my current methods). Sometimes it can be a good idea to try and think outside the rules of things, works for me at least.


thanks so much wayne!

i watched the first video.. gonna watch the 2nd one now.. is it possible to include the materials u used on the head? in particular the skin shaders u were switching back and forth with! all of them looked very interesting :)

Thanks again! :tu:I'll do my best to track them down as soon as I have time, the main base skin shader I used was one of ralph stumfs. Although its worth remembering that I'm somewhat infamous for my incredibly bad filling system so I can't gaurentee I can still find them, although I promise you I'll do my best.

I think there still a heck of a lot of mileage still left in the zbrush render engine that we haven't covered as yet as I mentined to Ryan a few days ago. I've got a gut feeling that the results of renders using layer compostites will get both better and more flexible as time goes on.

Of course once Zmapper is back we could then also add a ambient occlusion pass to the mix..which opens up a whole new world again. There's still alot to try out with this technque that I've not had time to as yet.

Wayne...

[DarthWayne]

Photoshop PDS & word doc explanation(8mb winrar archive) (http://www.dashdotslash.net/VideoTutorials/VideoDocs.rar)




OK here's the document (with some dead unused layers removed) and clearly named layers. I've knocked out a very quick word document as a basic guide to what each layer does.

As yet I'm unable to track down the skin shaders, but I'l keep my eye out on my machine for them. I also added an extra fake sss layer in the document to show one quick way to get some sort of a subsurface effect. (You'll also see why I am trying to find another way when you open the document, I find this way not as satisfactory as others I'm trying at the moment.)

Hope this helps.

Wayne...

[IsmailPegasus]

thanks man

[troy1617]

Hey wayne long time no see you were looking for the material i think this may be the one you are looking for thanks for the videos here and from kurv helped alot heres the link post #98 http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=45640&page=7&pp=15

i kind of miss posting my stuff on your forum i hope you get it back up and running.

[Plakkie]

This is actually the first time I really understood the use of Render Layers! Thanks so much for making these two vids Wayne, it's priceless treasure for us learners. Nice audio too, made me laugh a few times (after I learned to understand the accent :lol: ).

I'm very interested in the "Photoshop PSD and word document brief explanation of the layers , their function and settings. (8mb winrar archive)" but the link redirects to your website. Where can I find it?

Again: thanks!! :tu: :tu: :tu:

[DarthWayne]

This is actually the first time I really understood the use of Render Layers! Thanks so much for making these two vids Wayne, it's priceless treasure for us learners. Nice audio too, made me laugh a few times (after I learned to understand the accent :lol: ).

I'm very interested in the "Photoshop PSD and word document brief explanation of the layers , their function and settings. (8mb winrar archive)" but the link redirects to your website. Where can I find it?

Again: thanks!! :tu: :tu: :tu:
I'm glad you found them of use, I've fixed the link above so it now works. I always try to add a little entertainment in my tutorial videos as theres nothing worse than listening to a monotone voice for ages.


Hey wayne long time no see you were looking for the material i think this may be the one you are looking for thanks for the videos here and from kurv helped alot heres the link post #98 http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=45640&page=7&pp=15

i kind of miss posting my stuff on your forum i hope you get it back up and running.Thats the very one mate thanks, I did a few tweaks to it but should get everyone going. Long time no see Troy, I hope you doing fine. Alas the forum wont be back in the foreseable future, due to a combination of factors (including the fact I simply don't have the time to moderate and run it anymore), hence why I killed the forum back then.

Wayne...

[RAMWolff]

Thank you.

I've just purchased ZBrush 3 from DAZ and while I'm waiting for it to arrive by mail I wanted to bone up a bit on tutorials and info so I'm not totally lost when I load up the program for the first time!! LOL

Thanks so much

Richard ;-)~

[Plakkie]

Wayne: thanks for the link! Only: I can't seem to open the doc file. It's entitled "explenation.docx". Is it a special file of some sort? If not, can you make it a .doc file or a pdf? I'd love to read it.

[Rastaman]

Thanks a lot, Wayne.:tu:

Have downloaded the files and will take a look at it soon.

Thanks for sharing.:tu:

[DarthWayne]

I hand't realised thaty the new version of word made docs that weren't able to be opened in older versions. (Very strange behaviour by microsoft...) Anyway here's a version thats compatable with word 97-2003 attached for those having problems opening it.

Wayne...

[mphilip]

the videos where a huge help now all i need is to figure out how to create a light sorce like a firein the centre of the scene is that posible?

[Plakkie]

Ah, now I can open the wordfile. Very clear, most helpful. Thanks for taking the time Wayne!

[calum5ZB]

Wayne , Ive just got the downloads on my HD and will have a read up in a moment . I just wanted to let you know that I got them and will try your methods on my next project.

Your a star !
Cheers
and have a great weekend cal!

[DarthWayne]

Wayne , Ive just got the downloads on my HD and will have a read up in a moment . I just wanted to let you know that I got them and will try your methods on my next project.

Your a star !
Cheers
and have a great weekend cal!Hope they worked fine for you.:) Weekend was pretty bad actually bu thats a whole other story lol. I notice on my server that the files were downloaded about 800 times..goodjob I have plenty of bandwidth. :P

Wayne...

[tez]

Wayne these videos where so helpfull, thanks. Im totaly new when it comes to photoshop intergration, and this has shown me some things that iv always wanted to know.

Id very much like to see a slowed down version on just photoshop usage with zbrush as this opens a whole new world to me.

Love the head by the way how long did that take to make? Would be cool to see the making of that too.

Thanks again.

[DarthWayne]

The original idea had all gone according to plan, was to show the 'making of' as the 1st part followed by the parts I upped here. But alas I had issues with the zscript on playback so it went the way of the dodo I'm afraid. If memory serves that head took about 1 hour.

I'll be doing a few free beginners photoshop videos at some point as soon as I have enough free time, to get people new to it 'up to speed'. Things are a little hectic at the moment, but once things calm down enough to breathe in I'll try and sort something out.

Wayne...

[potemutzu]

cool man

[bLawless]

These tutorial links won't work, are they outdated or something?
Thanks

[rjmarklew]

The links on the original post work ok for me.

Richard

[bLawless]

Must be that I am using the safari browser. oh well

[rjmarklew]

Im also using safari v4 beta on mac.

Richard

[bLawless]

Here is a screen shot when I click on the first link in the first post of this thread
TBP06.jpg

So ... this is really odd.
Well I am just going to watch them with the Veoh link then.

[rjmarklew]

It is a rar file. Right click on the link and 'save linked file as' to download it. You can then uncompress the downloaded file to view the video.

Richard

[SNARK]

Hi.

I have downloaded the .RAR files but am unable to uncompress them. The folder icons are not 'Zipped' and so when I right-click on them there is no option to 'Extract'. The icon is a sheet of paper.

Thoughts?

~S.~

[rjmarklew]

I use the free The Unarchiver (http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html) which opens numerous types of compressions OS-X cannot open natively.

Richard

[bLawless]

Thanks very much rjmarklew, with your help I've got it all sorted out now.

[sonuchelani]

very nice tutorials, thanks ;)

[Point]

Thankyou very much for the tuts Wayne.

[mehdishay]

Hello ,

I really did a lot of searching about rendering with zbrush , and after all I found this thread , but none of links works :( , any luck to find the files somewhere?

Thanks.

[rjmarklew]

The first two links don't work. They are files which were on Waynes site which was recently hacked. He has had to rebuild his site but looks like these old files were not restored.

The Veoh links work, I've just tried them

Richard

[mehdishay]

that site filtered here :( , and I cant find a single thread or tutorial regarding good quality rendering in ZB , please check your PM.

Thanks.

[Nick.Y]

Hi,
Would it be possible to relink the second video? I cant access Veoh in South Africa.

Tx

[Addepat]

The links to the tutorials don't work................

[EduReis]

please post again this videos, I lost my ones

[Astro1derboy]

Yes, please repost video-download links. Thank you very much!

[dsoellbuster]

Hi guys, just have been digging through my hdd and i found those videos. So in case you are interested, i will upload them to rapidshare, as soon as Wayne gives me the ok.

[Astro1derboy]

That would be most helpful. I greatly appreciate your kindness.

[dsoellbuster]

Well Wayne doesn't answer, so i am posting this link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/319171996/Polypaint_Wayne_Robson.rar

I hope i'm not doing anything wrong here, but in the end i am just reposting his work in his own Thread.

In case you are about to rip my head off Wayne ... just shout and i will remove the files.

[musashidan]

You won't see Mr. Robson round these here parts as he jumped ship to Mudbox a long time ago. :D Autodesk would have his head if he was spotted here.

[dsoellbuster]

@musashidan ... and you happen to know right? Trust me it's not like that. Anyway Wayne is ok with uploading these tutorials again.

[musashidan]

@musashidan ... and you happen to know right? Trust me it's not like that. Anyway Wayne is ok with uploading these tutorials again.Trust you , it's not like what? What exactly does that mean. My post was intended as a sarcastic joke. You obviously don't know what Wayne Robson's been up to the last 2 years or you would probably have gotten the joke.
To be honest, i don't think he'd give a s**t if you printed out the .pdf, stuck it up your arse and set fire to it.

[bludragon]

Whoa easy guys, there's no need to fight about this subject, these forums are meant to help each other, not tear each other apart ;)

Anyways thanks for posting the link dsoellbuster! Tryin it out right now...