Meats, Petroc, Spencer, Alvarez Z3 Tutorials! - Gnomonology.com

[A.Alvarez]

Hi all...

So we have just launched a new site called gnomonology.com!
Downloadable tutorials and assets by professional artists.

Here's the current line-up in the Zbrush category:

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I hope that you find it to be a valuable resource! :)
We will be adding new tutorials every month, so if you have any requests please let us know!
http://www.gnomonology.com (http://www.gnomonology.com/)

-Alex
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[rasmusW]

cool, alex!

looking good.

-r

[SolidSnakexxx]

Wow, this is awesome!

[dkzs]

Looks really awsome, i would like to purchase some, but the main problem for me is that i have a debit card, so i cant purchase none. Do you have paypal by any chance?

Thank you

[Thomaskl]

:eek: Wow Cool ! :eek:

Already downloading !
Thx for this !

regards,

Thomaskl


And dont stop adding new stuff ! This is really cool ! No more waiting for the Post-Man-Guy...

[A.Alvarez]

Thanks!!

dkzs: We're looking into Paypall now, so hopefully soon. :)

[peekoot]

awesome stuff! i often wished that you do something like this.. and now you have... :tu: .... :)


ps
will you support moneybookers too?

[jais]

Awesome. Great initiative.
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

[Thomaskl]

Hey, and for my first 12 bucks, i spent on your videos, i suggest, You and meats should go out for a nice cold beer ! (while i am doing the topology-stuff) :-D :-D :-D

[Daevasmodeus]

Is the new zmapper included with that zmapper tutorial? :lol:

I'm tempted to spend 10 bucks just to see a video of it in action.

Edit: oops, that's the old one. I will pick it up anyway. :)

[Neox]

Hey ALex, thanks for this possibility to get your tutorials, however is it possible to add support for paypal?

[slashpot]

Can't wait to have a look around, but I too would like to see a Paypal facility.

Good luck with it, hope it is a huge success, I'll be spreading the word!

[joep]

thank you so much,

finally iam going 2 learn more about the female body on a computer!
and iam bloody serious :D

thank you! gnomon!!!

Joep

[zogthedoomed]

I know its already been mentioned but just thought I'd add my voice to the request for Paypal.

[slashpot]

Wow, I've had a look and I want everything you have please! Great looking site, really well implemented too. This will be a valuable resource to the 3D community. Might I suggest adding difficulty ratings to the descriptions? ie: Novice, intermediate, advanced. As the collection grows this would be helpful. It might also be worth having an RSS feed so the many fans this site is going to have can be alerted when new tuts are posted. The very reasonable prices will ensure that many of us will simply buy all the tuts on their favourite app/s, and wait for more. A bulk discount would be nice for the greedy tutorial munchers among us too!

Forget the good luck wishes, you won't need 'em! Well done guys.

[Plakkie]

Hm... can't reach the site... swamped? Anyway: great concept, making professional knowledge available at affordable prices. :cool::tu::tu:

[Doqpelgänger]

same here... its down or something

[Polaris30]

Ha ha !

Great you got me to click on your link...

why not warn people that it is not a free resource?

If I would have known that, I may have bought something... now I have added your site to my FireFox black list... I also added the IP address to ADblock so I dont ever accidently do that again with some sneaky banner add.

:( :td:

[Neox]

What do you think could those prices on the image Alex posted mean, huh? :lol:

[Bryan Silva]

Ha ha !

Great you got me to click on your link...

why not warn people that it is not a free resource?

If I would have known that, I may have bought something... now I have added your site to my FireFox black list... I also added the IP address to ADblock so I dont ever accidently do that again with some sneaky banner add.

:( :td:
Can you blame the man for being an entrepreneur? Im not sure if you've ever picked up a gnomon dvd before but the info shared on them is worth every penny and they cost an average of $50. And the fact that you can now purchase topic specific tutorials given by fellow professionals at a fraction of the cost of a full dvd is a GREAT idea. I mean it seams most of the content is around 5 bucks per tutorial and the average length is a half hour. WHat could be better for someone who is serious about learning but not made of money?

[Thomaskl]

Don`t feed the trolls !

[lordsithius]

it´s ZBrush 2 with the ZMapper v1

[bicc39]

Many thanks!!!
And your dvd is due....?

Edit: ran to site before I read the comments here.
Will only say that the thanks is underlined.
The people who are involved with the first batch are the
"best of the best".
I have said repeatedly that I consider the dvds put out
by you and Meats to be the most valuable of the ones
out there.
To add something else, as we know you are also a teacher and
this puts something extra into your lessons.
I would like to know what it would cost if we were to pay the
people involved in this to personally show us the material.
Or the price of, not to mention the inconveniece of, attending a class.
With the prices of individual dvd's, this is a perfect way to
"pay as you go".
Who can put a price on knowledge.
As one member said, if you are involved in the industry, knowlledge such
as this puts you ahead of your competition in the job seeking area.
Repeat, thank you, money well spent!!!

[Scott Spencer]

Yeah the ZMapper tut is for the only Zmapper available at the moment. I have been usig it a lot for the past few months and felt a good video walkthrough was in order since a lot of features are overlooked. I have some 3.0 specific tuts in progress as well. I hope everyone enjoys the site and the content as it is added. I am excited to be part of it.


best,

Scott

[DocTiki]

Hey nice. I was always looking to get more Gnomon videos, but the ridiculous shipping costs to Australia (more than several discs!) always put me off. Video streaming with no shipping? Yes please!

[yolao]

this is great!!...

I was checking that you have some tuts on lighting and rendering in maya and also some tuts on after effects.

question.

-Does one of this tutorials covers in depth how to set up render layers with Mental Ray?....but not just the common render layers, but also layers like refraction, SSS, GI...etc...

Request.

-If you don´t have a tut on rendering layers in maya with MR, please make one that covers the set up of all the layers of a complete scene...better if it´s an scene with a character with things like hair, water, GI, SSS, etc...all in it´s own layer.

THANKS :) ...GNOMON ROCKS

[virtuousart]

It would be easier for me to access it later if I ever needed it. Dont know if anyone feels the same but it would help me out =) Great tutorials btw I really appreciate everyone's generosity.

[0.25]

$:mad:

[ChillWill Graphix]

Very cool, indeed. So, Alex, picked up your Gnomon head sculpting tute DVD and am, now, wondering when you will do another!? I love your presentation and the video is at normal speed - which is great for slow people like me. I love your DVD and would love to see more - so whatcha say?


Later - Mike

[virtuousart]

didn't know you had to pay for the tutorials.. bummer

[mdee]

Thanks Alex, way to go!

[Lasse Eriksen Bjørseth]

This is so great. Finaly I do not have to wait 2-3 weeks for the shipping. Instant downloading is the way to go!

And as always from you guys over at Gnomon, super good stuff!
Thanks Alvarez, Meats, Petroc and Spencer!

[A.Alvarez]

Wow... thanks so much everyone for the support! Really makes us excited after the last few months of craziness! :)

To those who are bummed that they aren't free... well, I don't think you realize how much time it takes to put tutorials together. It is a LOT of work... seriously. For example... the 'making of smile' tutorial. It took me 10 hours to make the image. It took me four days to put the tutorial together. If the tutorials were free, the site wouldn't be able to exist. And its not like I haven't made free tutorials for the community (same with Meats, Scott, etc)... Just look at the free tutorials section at http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com... Those are all free, including several hours of free video tutorials. :)

-Alex

[Lasse Eriksen Bjørseth]

Yes, A.Alvarez, I'm gladly paying for your videos. Supporting you guys for the really good job you do on those videos. I think we should thank you guys for sharing your workflow etc. Thats respect!

I joind the 5 week ZBrush class at gnomonOnline with Scott Spencer, learned so much! He helped me to get to the level i'm at now.
So again, thanks for spending so much time creating this videos.

[bicc39]

Yes, A.Alvarez, I'm gladly paying for your videos. Supporting you guys for the really good job you do on those videos. I think we should thank you guys for sharing your workflow etc. Thats respect!


Thank you for expressing what I felt!!!

[Lasse Eriksen Bjørseth]

:)
I have bought a couple of videos. Downloading now :)

[ambient-whisper]

Wow... thanks so much everyone for the support! Really makes us excited after the last few months of craziness! :)

To those who are bummed that they aren't free... well, I don't think you realize how much time it takes to put tutorials together. It is a LOT of work... seriously. For example... the 'making of smile' tutorial. It took me 10 hours to make the image. It took me four days to put the tutorial together. If the tutorials were free, the site wouldn't be able to exist. And its not like I haven't made free tutorials for the community (same with Meats, Scott, etc)... Just look at the free tutorials section at http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com... Those are all free, including several hours of free video tutorials. :)

-Alexi completely agree. some people just take these things for granted. the last timelapse i made ( which doesnt even have audio, like you guys have, and its faster, and therefore is harder to read than what you guys have ) took me a week and a bit to go from start to finish. thats while working as well. some people just dont realize how much time some of this stuff takes to really appreciate it. anyhow, its nice to see that shipping wont be taxing users ( especially overseas. ).

[se7enthcin]

As a fellow educator I can appreciate the cost of knowledge. $10-12 is really not a lot considering that college or personal time with any expert usually can range from $300-500 for about 6 hours of lecture/question time.

Alex, nice work on smile. I see you decided to leave the background similar to what it was in the original eh?

OH, and I just read that you are working with James Cameron on Avatar. That sounds rad. I read the story treatment way back in the late 90's and have been waiting anxiously since then. The story always sounded like an interesting concept. I'm sure he's made serious revisions but just know that I've got high expectations ;)

[Lasse Eriksen Bjørseth]

Meats: It would be so nice if you also could release your upcomming ZBrush 3 dvd as an instant download :)

[WailingMonkey]

Nice resource, Alex! :)

Any chance you'll be posting up some advanced XSI tuts
on the site as well...character rigging, facial rigging, game
engine rigging, displacement settings for Z3, etc.?
(noticed XSI was conspicuously absent as a software tab)

cheers.


WailingMonkey

[GabeM]

can we download the purchased tutorials, or is it just DVD's by mail?

[Meats Meier]

Lasse Eriksen Bjørseth - That is a possibility. :) Thanks.

GabeM - It's both: download and also burned to a dvd and shipped.

I really like how the site is set up. Easy for me to upload my lectures. I'm going to do a bunch of tutorials on my matchmoving techniques, compositing, rendering, and assorted Zbrush tricks for Gnomonology. I just wish that I had more time to watch a few of the videos on there...


I'm sure XSI and all the majors will be on there soon.

[crossbones]

alex,

It would be great if you got Scott, Nevile, Ryan or any of yoru analog people to do some tutorials. That would go over big with the concept design community.

Nice job on the site!

[Blaine91555]

Great idea :tu:

I'll be back tommorrow credit cards in hand. The prices are very reasonable compared to the time it would take me to figure things out on my own.

[MSMBrush]

alex i love ur all tutriol thx for this :D :b1: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

[Ctrl-Z]

As someone who's been anxiously awaiting the new Intro DVDs since 2.5 was announced, the arrival of new content is a god-send.

I'm confused on one point, though...

Can you talk for a minute about the two Topology videos? Are they an expansion of what's on the DVDs, or a single-topic breakout for those who can't afford the whole thing all at once?

Either way is a great service, but for different people. ;)


The topology screenshot on the back of the DVD box (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=365331&postcount=61) does look like the same model in your Advanced Workflow video (http://gnomonology.com/tutorial/69). But, that doesn't mean anything. You may not have been able to squeeze an hour of topology into the final DVD edit, so this could easily be a director's cut. Or a whole other lecture. Or it might be the same exact video.

I'm obviously putting too much thought into the question. Could someone put me out of my misery?

[Santis]

Omg, thanks for the tutorials, thats awsome!

[marcus_civis]

i completely agree. some people just take these things for granted. the last timelapse i made ( which doesnt even have audio, like you guys have, and its faster, and therefore is harder to read than what you guys have ) took me a week and a bit to go from start to finish. thats while working as well. some people just dont realize how much time some of this stuff takes to really appreciate it. anyhow, its nice to see that shipping wont be taxing users ( especially overseas. ).

I think that part of the problem with a resource like this being mentioned here, and specifically having it featured in the Top Row at ZBC, is that everything released on ZBC is free. Many people do give a lot of their time to help the community with no financial reward.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting you guys shouldn't get paid or that what's on offer isn't good value. For those who live outside the US, it's a great way of getting tutorials without the added expense of shipping. I'm sure the site will be deservedly popular. It's simply that a post like this here sets up expectations.

[willog]

These look awesome too say the least, I am also excited at the prospect of being able to download these great looking tutorials.

However Alex, you didn't reply to those who like myself do not have the credit card your site accepts, I also would appreciate the use of Paypal even if you were to add the extra charge to the tutorial to pay for the Paypal charges.

In the meantime I will just have to hope your charging facilities change to include Paypal or Switch.

Thanks for this anyways a great move on your behalf to boost the art Zee

[Ctrl-Z]

I can understand people's surprise that there's a price, provided they've never heard of Gnomon. Those who have are probably more surprised that the price is as low as it is.

None of that matters.

The cost to produce, the hardships involved... those don't matter either. They're critical factors in your decision to continue this venture, but they don't affect the end user's decision to participate.

Only two questions do:

Is the training provided something you need?
Does its value to you outweigh the cost?
If you answered no to either question, great. You've dodged the bullet! Move on with your life, stop complaining, and maybe check back from time to time to see if that's changed.

But if you answered yes to both, and you deny yourself the training you need out of spite? Seriously, wow. You've got some issues to work through. That's just self-destructive.

[Ctrl-Z]

However Alex, you didn't reply to those who like myself do not have the credit card your site accepts, I also would appreciate the use of Paypal even if you were to add the extra charge to the tutorial to pay for the Paypal charges.Perhaps you are blind? (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=368348&postcount=6)


We're looking into Paypall now, so hopefully soon.

[RaelNorth]

Hey guys
Are these tuts geared toward users of all levels, or are they assuming you already know how to do alot of things? I don't want to dump money on you unless I know I can use the tutes without having to go, you know, buy ~other tutorials just to use them.

[Aeneas]

Im interested but the site does not accept my zipcode. Being from Belgium, which has diffent zips that the US (like B-1234), I guess that this is a small glitch. No harm done as no one can know all kind of codes by heart.
I sent an e-mail, and hope that this will be corrected asap.

RaelNorth: I guess that it's a good idea to have a certain basic knowledge. You can find lots of free tutorials, also movies, in the tutorials forum. May I suggest you start with the ones from 3dtrainer? They are about the best I ever watched. On any software!

[marcotronic]

Meats, I´ve already pre-ordered your upcoming DVD in a German store. Will the retopology tutorials on the DVD be the same as the downloadable ones? I´m very interested in them but I don´t want to pay for them twice...

Great idea, by the way. I´m sure your new platform will be a great success!

Thanks,
Marco

[stalsby]

As if yall didn't support us enough hahaha!!! Thanks so much to all of you!!!! Gnomon has bee a very big inspiration for me over the last few years!!! I can't wait for the new Z3 dvd's to come out!!! And also I want to thank everyone that made the gnomon contest forum!! That idea was genius!!! Thanks again!!! Keep up the good work!!

[willog]

Thanks for the ups on paypal Ctrl-z but your comment on whether I am blind?
Really, what a terrible thing to say, sarcasm at it's most base level.
Yes I missed the comment from Alex, but I hardly deserve your acid remark for that little error.

I guess some people just wander thru these forums looking for such things and get most enjoyment from insulting those who show signs of being human in making small errors.

[Meats Meier]

As someone who's been anxiously awaiting the new Intro DVDs since 2.5 was announced, the arrival of new content is a god-send.

I'm confused on one point, though...

Can you talk for a minute about the two Topology videos? Are they an expansion of what's on the DVDs, or a single-topic breakout for those who can't afford the whole thing all at once?

Either way is a great service, but for different people. ;)


The topology screenshot on the back of the DVD box (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=365331&postcount=61) does look like the same model in your Advanced Workflow video (http://gnomonology.com/tutorial/69). But, that doesn't mean anything. You may not have been able to squeeze an hour of topology into the final DVD edit, so this could easily be a director's cut. Or a whole other lecture. Or it might be the same exact video.

I'm obviously putting too much thought into the question. Could someone put me out of my misery?Hey Ctrl-Z -

Yeah, the Topology chapters are from my dvd (chapter 11 of 13 - 1 hour).
The whole dvd is 6 hours. I thought it said something about that on there. I'm looking for the way to add a blog entry to put that up as I'm getting a hold of the sysAdmin. If everything goes well, I'm going to put all the chapters up so people can get the exact information they need instantly.
I just had to focus on making sure the DVD got out in time first. It will be available on the 20th (and then I can move on with my life ;) )

[Kosher]

I'm not really down with the advertising in the art gallery.

[poda]

Great to see this.

I'm looking forward to checking it out.

[Displaced]

Aenas:

Leave the field for ZIP-code blank; that one's just for people in the US. Scratched my head over that one, as well, as my norwegian area code has never caused any problems when ordering stuff from "over there" or anywhere else...

Something to look into, perhaps, dear Gnomons? :)


Meats Meier:

Great tuts as always. I'm glad to hear you're making the dvd available as downloadable chapters.

[RaelNorth]

Aeneas: Thanks, I hadn't checked out the new Z3 vids at 3D trainer, they're great. I also didn't know Meats was doing an intro to Z3 DVD, so I'll probably be getting that when it comes out, that looks exactly like what I need.

[conte]

way too laggy site, i just can't browse it.

[joep]

i know gnomon teach friends 4 free! :D
i just saw you need 2 pay.
its a k price kinda cheap i think.
but anyways keep asking money!
i think there is nothing wrong with that!

Joep.

[skulll_monster]

wow...so far so good...but bad...u must purchase that $??!!

[Ctrl-Z]

Really, what a terrible thing to say, sarcasm at it's most base level.

Yes I missed the comment from Alex, but I hardly deserve your acid remark for that little error.

I guess some people just wander thru these forums looking for such things and get most enjoyment from insulting those who show signs of being human in making small errors.1)
I don't look for errors, but reactions made in error will often draw my attention.

(There was an implied accusation in your post, and I thought I could lay it gently to rest.)

(It seems I don't do gentle well.)


2)
I wasn't responding with an acid tipped insult. I was making a friendly joke, as friends do, among friends. A good-natured ribbing, as it were.

If I thought for a moment it would bring shame or anger, I wouldn't have said anything.

Why would anyone?


3)
Are the blind particularly atrocious in Wales?

In the U.S., if we miss something obvious, we say "I must have been blind." It is a very casual comment -- a mild hyperbole, overused to the point of cliche. There's no undercurrent of self-hatred when we describe ourselves this way, and I don't think there's contempt for the recipient when it describes others. To the best of my knowledge, nobody gives much thought to its use. (Except possibly blind people, whom I imagine are justifiably insulted that we should exploit their condition so lightly in cultural reference.)



I hereby apologize, publically, for any slight you might have taken from my ill-advised comment. Rest assured, that was not my intention.


----------------------------



Yeah, the Topology chapters are from my dvd (chapter 11 of 13 - 1 hour). The whole dvd is 6 hours.

...

If everything goes well, I'm going to put all the chapters up so people can get the exact information they need instantly.Rock on! That's good news all around.

(I know there was international shipping drama with the Z2 DVDs back in the day. Online distribution solves a lot of problems for a lot of people, and it's what many have been begging for this whole time.)



I just had to focus on making sure the DVD got out in time first. It will be available on the 20th (and then I can move on with my life ;) )It will free you by consuming the rest of us. There's a certain poetry to that.

[Displaced]

(It seems I don't do gentle well.)
No sh*t? :p

Friendly tip: Smilies usually sweetens sarcasm... ;)

[capu]

I was looking for the DVD Intro to Zbrush 3 - but couldn't find.
Can someone please send me the link ?

Thank you so much,
capu

[Buckie]

Alex is there any chance that the Full Gnomon titles will ever be available for download, as it costs at least half the cost of the DVD again in shipping plus a 7 day wait...

Digital Tutors are doing it & it's cool...

[Ctrl-Z]

I was looking for the DVD Intro to Zbrush 3 - but couldn't find.
Can someone please send me the link ?It's not up on gnomon's main site (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com) yet -- just this coming soon page (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/comingsoon.html). I'm guessing we'll see a catalog (http://thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/groups/zbrush_g.html) update on Wednesday, when the DVD is said to be released.

Marcotronic was able to pre-order through a distributor in Germany (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=368778&postcount=55). This may or may not help you, depending whether you are also in Germany.

There may at some point be a 5% discount for CG Society members shopping through the CGProShop (http://store.cgsociety.org/browse/dvds/gnomon_digital/zbrush/), but the CGProShop doesn't seem to get new DVDs as Gnomon releases them, or at any time thereafter. So, that was hardly worth mentioning. ;)


In the meantime, we know what the box looks like (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=365331&postcount=61), that Meats' co-worker is very enthusiastic (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=365731&postcount=77), and that the topology portion is available through gnomonology (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showpost.php?p=368878&postcount=58) if you can't wait for that part.

That's pretty much our collected knowledge on the subject.

[Ctrl-Z]

Alex is there any chance that the Full Gnomon titles will ever be available for download, as it costs at least half the cost of the DVD again in shipping plus a 7 day wait...Looks promising, if this is any indication:

If everything goes well, I'm going to put all the chapters up so people can get the exact information they need instantly.
I just had to focus on making sure the DVD got out in time first.

[Buckie]

Thanks for that CTRL-Z... :tu:

[KHC_inc]

The videos are top quality and the price is reasonable. Keep up the good work.

[Vexona]

Nice site, and even nicer prices:)

[bisenberger]

kind of stange using ZBrushCentral as a vehicle for marketing

[Ctrl-Z]

kind of stange using ZBrushCentral as a vehicle for marketing
I'm not really down with the advertising in the art gallery.The top row has been used to advertise plugins and user meets and interviews and such. There's a strong precedent for ZBrush related news to get linked there.

Seriously, guys. This isn't SPAM. It's a press release which happens to affect a lot of us. Would you rather we not find out about it?

When the top row advertizes Viagra, you'll have every right to complain. But for now, we're talking about some of this community's best and brightest offering the benefit of their knowledge. At a price, I'll grant you. But you can't tell me this isn't of interest to the users here. Not if you've read through the responses, anyway.

[marcus_civis]

Seriously, guys. This isn't SPAM. It's a press release which happens to affect a lot of us. Would you rather we not find out about it?


When does a press release become an advertisement? I don't think anyone is suggesting this shouldn't have been mentioned on ZBC. Other such announcements have been made in the past. Why not make it a 'sticky' thread to make sure everyone sees it? Just strikes me as innappropriate in what's just been renamed the 'gallery'. As far as I can see, it's the first time there's been any such post there. The plugins, usergroup meetings and so on, are free.

[Buckie]

Kind of agree that maybe top row was a bit OTT...

Still good news though...

[Ctrl-Z]

A press release becomes an advertisement the moment it is typed. Silly. Why else would you issue one? This doesn't detract from its value as a press release, however. If it's newsworthy, publishers run with it.

To be perfectly honest, the other anouncements in the top row have always bugged me. And admittedly, it didn't say "Gallery" when those went up. But I'm more or less used to the idea that the top row represents threads Pixologic wants to call out now, whether for artistic merit or for valuable information. Which might be why this doesn't feel out of place to me. As you say, it's a matter of degrees.

Anyway, there is no better way to make sure we all see it than that top row. Stickies don't get buried immediately like other posts, but I think you give us too much credit to think everyone actually looks at the thread titles. I know I only glance down there after scanning through all the recent thumbnails, and not always even then.

So, here's the big question:

Would you be more comfortable with a clearly labeled banner ad? That would purify the gallery, but take up more real estate and probably add motion. And open the door for more general-audience advertising.

Given the choice, I'd rather have the occasional thumbnail than a constant banner. But, I think that's what the protests in this thread are pushing towards.

Either way, I think it's admirable how much advertising Pixologic has refrained from shoving down our throats for this long. ;)

[Meats Meier]

Alex is out of the country right now...so I hope I don't step on any toes here...

We were surprised (and happy) about the top row for the Gnomonology thing, but it is true that the slots should be reserved for the killer artwork made with Zbrush....and probably should always remain that way.

I can guess why Pixologic put it up there - if they are getting half of the email questions as we are about when there is going to be training for Z3 available, then I can see why they would want to point people to it.

I request that this thread be moved to the community forum. Thanks Pixo!! :D

[Meats Meier]

Sorry about the thread hijack...deleted.
I will post in my own thread. :)

[Buckie]

Tis good to see some fair play going on here, respect Mr Meier... :D

[Kosher]

And fry's electronics has a sale on ram! The lemmings are coming, the lemmings are coming!!! Everyone, the lemmings are coming!

[A.Alvarez]

Hiya...

Well, clearly the confusing thing is that the toprow was renamed 'gallery' last month, since that is the bulk of what shows up there. But in general, most community sites have the top row for 'news' as well as artwork, and I think our site would fall into the category of news that the Z community should be aware of, regardless of whether it is free or not. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back we'll add a free video tut for the ZBC community... cool?
:)

-Alex
thanks again for the support that everyone has given us...
means a lot to me, and very much helps motivate us to add more content into the Zbrush category over the coming weeks...

[riqp3r]

you better not stop the tutorials coming ;), cuz you don't know how inspiring they are, u guys are the best and nobody can deny that. as for the tutorials... i have no words, they're absolutely outstanding, it really shows the true art&artists coming along... you guys should never stop this, you're just to good to be true...:cool::D anyways, good luck with everything, hope one day to be like you guys... cheers.



regards, riqp3r...

[Buckie]

I'm out of town right now, but when I get back we'll add a free video tut for the ZBC community... cool?

That would be great gesture Alex, many thanks... :D

[ajitsinghyadav]

Cool Tutorials :D

[Aeneas]

I still can't get the movies. First it was that zip code, now, when I want to pay, it's my phone number that isn't accepted.

[A.Alvarez]

Aeneas: Hmm... you should contact support. Go to the contact us page and submit your issue. You should get a response within 24 hours and we will try to help you figure out the problem. :)

-Alex

[n-drew]

dont waste time with complaining and do some more artworks with zb3 :D

BUT, for me it is nuthin else than advertising and the toprow was for art and pixologic news/plugins.
as meats mentioned "to be fair", then you should plug digital tutors AND the free 3d trainer stuff and every other vid threads in the toprow, too.

[mike0006]

I think, if you wanted to be fair, DT or 3d trainer would have to have a release of the same kind of scale. Gnomonology coming out, is much more than 1 DVD.

If anything, there's some great pics of the artwork that is demonstrated in the tutorials, so I suppose you could count that as "gallery" worthy.

[n-drew]

so why werent/arent the old gnomon zb2 vids in the toprow? they are worthy, too.

[Ctrl-Z]

so why werent/arent the old gnomon zb2 vids in the toprow? they are worthy, too.Because news isn't retroactive? :)

The old vids aren't news. They were, but they aren't.

When the old vids were news, ZBC hadn't started putting news in the top row. I'm not sure we even had a top row for a lot of it.

Life evolves, and events generally happen in chronological order...



Also?

This isn't one tutorial. It's a whole new distribution channel. So, we can't compare it to the release of any one DVD, and we can't expect that individual releases will see the same kind of attention in the future.



But ultimately, it all comes down to is "there is no agenda. this was a casual decision."

We're putting too much thought into this.

(and bumping the thread up with each new complaint)

[Aeneas]

Well, while I wait for the site to accept my money, I do have one serious question. No complaints from this side as I didn't watch any tutorial mogies yet, and I do have high hopes.

Question: Those two tutorials on the creation of a female character by mr Petroc, are these 100% ZB3, or are they partly Maya? As I don't own Maya, they would only be partly useful in the case that app were needed.

[Ctrl-Z]

Those two tutorials on the creation of a female character by mr Petroc, are these 100% ZB3, or are they partly Maya? As I don't own Maya, they would only be partly useful in the case that app were needed.Zack does start by importing a simple box mesh, which could have come from anywhere (including ZB3). You can make something similar with ZSpheres, model it in Wings3D (free modeling app -- very handy for this sort of thing), or ask around to see if another user can hook you up with an OBJ file. But, it's not "from scratch" in that regard.

Really, his style of instruction is less about following specific steps to get the exact same result as it is highlighting the kind of things you should be looking for when you sculpt from observation. The lessons taught here should be valuable with any organic creature, so you shouldn't get too hung up on that particular detail.

Hope that helps?

[n-drew]

so that means you need... lets say 3-4 vids to get in the toprow? :D

even as the "old" gnomon zbrush vids were new they were not in the toprow.

[billrobertson42]

I'm sure XSI and all the majors will be on there soon.

Yes please!


I just had to focus on making sure the DVD got out in time first. It will be available on the 20th (and then I can move on with my life ;) )


Oooh, that's today. :tu: :tu:

[Ctrl-Z]

Oooh, that's today.In theory. Their logo's a sundial -- who's to say they're on a modern calendar? ;)

[Fuzatron]

Got mine ordered :D
It will be shipping Monday...
http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/mme04.html

[Aeneas]

Yes, it does help. If it's only importing a boxed character and then ZB3, there's no problem. I was afraid it would be a bit like those ComputerArts (a magazine) tutorials: you buy an issue on Photoshop but to be able to follow the tutorials you need, say, Illustrator, 3DS Max and After Effects. And half of the tut happens in those other apps.

Thanks for answering.

[Ctrl-Z]

Got mine ordered :D
It will be shipping Monday...
http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/mme04.htmlOr within 48 hours thereafter.

Just placed my order. Also grabbing Wendy Froud's Faerie Figure DVD (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/wfr01.html) while I'm at it, both because I have a drawer full of sculpy I feel bad for neglecting, and because I'm anxious to see if traditional sculpting videos will help me in ZBrush -- if so, that opens whole worlds of available training!

I was tempted to forego shipping costs and pick up my order in person, but it'll be an extra week or so before Gnomon gets copies onsite, and I can't predict my own schedule that far in advance. It could be months before the stars align on that one.

...by which point, the videos might all be available on gnomonology (just to bring this back on topic). But after much deliberation, I figured I'm willing to pay extra for a nicely packaged physical object to sit on my shelf next to all the others.

So, there we are. I'm just a few days off from not having any excuses to fall back on!

That's sort of terrifying.

[womball]

I'm downloading the zack petroc tutorials from gnomonolgy, I paid for them. ;-) Can you also burn the DVD as well? Or is that an additional charge?

[Ctrl-Z]

Zack does start by importing a simple box mesh, which could have come from anywhere (including ZB3). You can make something similar with ZSpheres, model it in Wings3D (free modeling app -- very handy for this sort of thing), or ask around to see if another user can hook you up with an OBJ file.javierloredo linked to a very nice base you can start with ( http://www.tweakcg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=307) in his Old Master "Vasalius" thread ("http://zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?p=371705), in case anyone needs one.

[skulll_monster]

hey guys !!!
...Gnomon dosnt any tutorials for accurate rendering a character (but Alex Alvarez Gnomology Training...and SSS Shader )...
anyway,rendering in Renderman is very Cool and faster than MR !!! but you can`t find a good surce for learning Renderman...

at end i must say DigitalTutors zbrush is very scary.... :ex: that Will make you Master Artist... :rolleyes:

[bisenberger]

I guess since zaplink and zmapper aren't available for z3 yet they won't be covered on the DVD.

Think I'll wait until Unleashing ZBrush by Matthew Yetter (aurick) is released. Can be pre-ordered from Amazon.

There are already some great tutorials for Z3 on ZBrushCentral.

[Ctrl-Z]

skull_monster,
I can't tell if you're trolling on behalf of DigitalTutors or against them. Whatever it is you're trying to say is probably better served by speaking directly.


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bisenberger,
I guess since zaplink and zmapper aren't available for z3 yet they won't be covered on the DVD.I expect there'll be followup videos to cover that on Gnomonology when the time comes. But if money's an issue and patience isn't, that could be a turnoff.



Think I'll wait until Unleashing ZBrush by Matthew Yetter (aurick) is released. Can be pre-ordered from Amazon.A fine choice, to be sure. Aurick's the man.

(I don't remember if I actually placed my pre-order yet, so I might end up buying two or three copies by the time it actually ships. Point being, I'm totally on board with that)

Thing is, Amazon's currently predicting March 25 2008 for publication, and I want to clear a few hurdles now. So for me, it makes sense to do both. Your mileage may vary.



There are already some great tutorials for Z3 on ZBrushCentral.Absolutely! And even more on the wiki (http://www.zbrush.info).

I'm just happy to finally have too many resources. That's a good feeling.

[bicc39]

Gnomon dosnt any tutorials for accurate rendering a character !!

Suggest you look again, Mr. Alvarez himself has a dvd out about
Zbrush which covers the subject. Also covers how to properly use
the different maps produced to greater effect.;)

[Ctrl-Z]

Mr. Alvarez himself has a dvd out about
Zbrush which covers the subject.Among others. (Here's that one (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/aal01.html), which is great for Maya and Mental Ray. If you've got Max and Brazil, you might want this one for humans (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/ijo02.html) or this for other creatures (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/lpi03.html). If you've got XSI, this one's your match (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/asi01.html))...

But, I think our friend knew that. Wierd mix of sarcasm and misinformation in that post. Really hard to get at what he was going for.

[bicc39]

"Z" many thanks for including the links, got lazy.:D

[skulll_monster]

bicc39...i mean rendering with renderman or any others...
Ctrl+Z...thank you for links...i like "Ian Joyner" Learnings...
but im a maya User...Gnomon is a Very Powerfull workshop...and you can find professional Learnings there...
my question is : i dont know why you can find a lot of nice still images that rendered in max...its because of Engines like Vray or brazil ?

sorry for that post...about DT you judge it...this 2 sculpture

GNOMON
http://www.pixolator.com/zbc/attachment.php?attachmentid=3644
DT
http://www.digitaltutors.com/store/images_details/d_143.jpg

[Ctrl-Z]

my question is : i dont know why you can find a lot of nice still images that rendered in max...its because of Engines like Vray or brazil ?Those certainly don't hurt. But I credit the artist pressing that render button, the time they've spent preparing their image, and the years they've spent refining their craft.

(you have to remember, 3d studio has been around in some form or another since 1990 -- same year Windows 3.0 came out. And a lot of those users hit the ground running 'cause they already knew AutoCAD, which had been out since 1982...)




sorry for that post...about DT you judge it...this 2 sculpture

GNOMON
http://www.pixolator.com/zbc/attach...tachmentid=3644
DT
http://www.digitaltutors.com/store/...tails/d_143.jpgIn all fairness, you're comparing one excercise in an Intro video to the result of a six-hour dedicated sculpt.

Imagine someone had said the reverse with these examples:

GNOMON
http://thegnomonworkshop.com/img/screengrabs/mme04/mme04e.jpg
DT
http://www.digitaltutors.com/store/images_details/d_142.jpg

Could you take that seriously?

-----

Meats Meier is a world-class digital artist. No question. Is that required for an intro video? It inspires confidence and helps make the sale, but what actually counts once you're watching is his ability to teach. To help you make the software second-nature, so you can focus on your work.

I happen to know Meats excels at this. Maybe this Kyle Green fellow also does -- I couldn't say. (I hated DT's Z2 intro, but this thread is promising (http://www.3dbuzz.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=152443). *shrug*)

Thing is, you can't establish any of that by comparing screenshots.

[slashpot]

Whoa, this thread turned controversh!

I must admit I felt a tiny bit miffed to find that all the videos were paid, but only because the introd. post led me that way, and then reality kicked in. I'm a professional artist. I sell my larger paintings for thousands. Do you surmise from this that I give the small ones away free? Of course not, I just sell them for a bit less. These guys do (amazing) tut vids professionally, why would we think shorter vids should be free? And then there's the prices. A few bucks for the knowledge of some of the recognised masters? 8 or so bucks for an hour or more of training? It's so close to free it don't matter! I feel like a thief! Many, many people can't afford dozens or hundreds of dollars for training, fair enough, but who among us computer owning Westerners cant manage a few bucks for stuff of this quality?

The other kerfuffle is about the top row status of this thread and why the other companies don't merit the same treatment. I would call attention to the fact that, as far as I know, DT, Kurv and the others aren't here on a daily basis helping us in our struggles to produce masterpieces. Meats, Alex, Zac, etc. do that very thing regularly right here. As I've said before, its like getting free advice on my golf swing from Tiger Woods. These guys spend a good deal of time helping half-arsed vertex bashers like me, and I am forever in their debt. I can't deny that if Alex puts up a free vid for us all I would be bashing the bandwidth for all it was worth, but I really don't think the gesture is neccesary to merit top row status for news of their new venture. I for one would likely have missed out on hearing about this amazing service were it not right there in front of me. Moreover, if some of the other masters of the craft such as Rimasson, Boulay, Baker or Zuccarello had such offerings available I'd want them front & centre so I wouldn't miss out.

A final point. I know of no other service offering top shelf training for $8-12. Certainly not without buying into a larger scheme or waiting months for discs to make their way across the planet. I assure you, there would be few here who despise advertising more than me, but I see no advertising. I see Pixologic doing us all a useful service. Why do most of you click on the best images in the top row? Surely its at least in part to learn something? I defy anyone here to suggest that guys like Meats and Alex spend their time here so they can line their pockets. Anyone? I thought not.

Here endeth the lesson. I'm off to grab some of the sweet tutorial goodness on offer at...well, you know where. That place starting with 'G'. ;)

Good luck all, may your vertices remain straight

[Ctrl-Z]

as far as I know, DT, Kurv and the others aren't here on a daily basis helping us in our struggles to produce masterpieces.Glen Southern used to be that guy (http://www.southerngfx.co.uk/general/tutorials/tutorial.htm).

Now, I guess he's that (http://www.southerngfx.co.uk/general/tutorials/mudbox_001/mudbox_001.php) guy. :cry:


edit:
That came out more harsh and accusatory than intended.

Glen's someone whose work here inspired me to learn ZBrush in the first place, and he's very much on my "can't wait to see what this guy does with the new version" list. He's not the only conspicuous absence, by any stretch.

Anyway, Kurv hasn't announced a Z3 video, so they're probably exempt from the comparison.

[Aeneas]

Well, I finally managed to pay, and downloaded what's available on ZB3.
I watched the movies, and I find them a much better quality than the Kurv (intro to ZB2) I have. I'm not speaking on an artistic level, but as someone who wants to learn. G's are better thought-out, better organised and better prepared. They are also better understandable for someone who normally speaks French or Flemish.
BUT: they are *not* for beginners.
I'm very happy I first got all the ZBTraining vids, watched them, tried things out and doodled around.
This is no critique! You know that re-topology and creating a human character aren't exactly beginner's subjects.

As for the fact that some money has to be paid: it is their free choice to ask, and your free choice to say no. And my free choice to say: these guys are good, from them I can learn. And that's worth a few dollars. Often I prefer to know an exact price to seeing that "donate" button.
But that's my opinion.

So please use the smooth brush and keep these forums like they generally are: friendly.

[bicc39]

And my free choice to say: these guys are good, from them I can learn. And that's worth a few dollars.

Exactly!!!!

[skulll_monster]

i found this from zack...its perfect...
http://gnomonology.com/upload/instructor_thumb/17/1-thumb.jpg (http://gnomonology.com/upload/instructor_thumb/17/1.jpg)

it will be very cool if he make it`s tutorial

[bisenberger]

Check this thread for some DVD training reviews and info on the to be released ZB3 training by the 3D Buzz team:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=140&t=509888&page=1&pp=15

[Meats Meier]

I need to stay off the internet for awhile...heh. :)

[Rastaman]

It's really nice and a kind thing that Alex offers some of his knowledge also as free downloadable movies on the Gnomon-site :tu: , but trying to download them is really pain. :cry:

The servers are almost always 'busy' and you have first to wait some time and then the download-stream slows finally down to ~ 10 - 50 KBit/s , doesn't support download-management and sometimes IE quits from 80% download with a 'timing-out'-message. Not so nice. :td:

[skulll_monster]

as i follow this wbsite you can call this Alexology...
what about Zack Petroc , Scot Spencer and Meats meier ?!!!

here you see
http://gnomonology.com/prod/1
http://gnomonology.com/prod/19
and more :rolleyes:

3 learning form zack and petroc and some chapters from Gnomon DVDs
http://gnomonology.com/prod/19

......?? :qu: !! :ex: :eek:

[kawmart53]

i saw a prevview
one of the best:tu:

[kawmart53]

taught me alot
specially when he reprononced
pallete
got to dig a great artist

[bicc39]

specially when he reprononced
pallete:D
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

[bicc39]

anyone working on 3.1?

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/images/icons/icon9.gif

[slashpot]

I've been working on 3.1, and apparently it's released today (you probably already know). If you haven't seen it yet you'll be blown away. It is much faster, a lot more stable, and looks fantastic. The speed these guys work at is quite incredible, no sooner had I looked at a beta than there was another one waiting. Once again Z3 becomes even better value than it already was.

Those who bought Z2, and are now looking at 3.1 without having to shell out a bean, have gotten one of the best deals in software history!

PS: Glen Southern is one of my favourite artist/teachers. His work is superb, and that statue image by Zack Petroc (which I've never seen before), is one of the single best 3D pieces I have ever seen. I'm still in shock! Imagine David walking all the way from Rome to rescue Jesus and Mary from behind the bullet proof glass at St Peters! And the touch of putting his own name where Michelangelo's was on Mary's breastband was inspired (if perhaps a trifle grandiose!). But then he's probably earned the right as much of Mary is obscured by Christ in the original Pieta,and he's even fixed the problem of scale (On the original Pieta if Mary stood up she'd be about twice the height of Christ). The more I look at it the more amazed I am... that is just unbelievable work Zack, congratulations!
(PS. I'm sure 'Dave' would be extremely grateful to Zack for his generosity in the 'downstairs' department!;) )

For myself, I am very grateful to have the opportunity to learn at the feet of these masters. The few bucks charged for their efforts is almost ridiculously miniscule.

[claytonp]

I'm not sure if Alex can answer this question, but do you plan on uploading ZBrush for Illustrators by Meats Meier ?

I don't mind paying for the tutorials, it's just the shipping costs are expensive if I had to order the DVD.

[piz]

Very interesting series of tutorials...

:tu: