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ed_the_atom
01-18-02, 07:48 PM
Before I begin the Malcolm M image some brief notes.

A lot of what I have read about capturing a likeness....while probably right in most cases, were not right for me.

Many artists ask... What is the basic form of the face? Round, square, triangular, long etc. Then work on their findings.

While I retain the form information I tend to dismiss it, because it is not what I am looking for.

Why? Well I tend to think that line of approach is for Industrious hacks. It is what I feel the face to be.....the message it gives my set of circumstances...the 'gesture' of the face... if you will. More of a subjective approach as opposed to an objective approach.

We see many faces, these faces mean a lot more to us, than looking for arguments sake at a block of wood. We are geared as humans to 'read' anothers face. So why are they so hard to capture on paper, or canvas for many people?

I believe we don't see the face, we see the actions of the face as we try to peer past it into the brain, or soul of another person. The face is transperant, a facade, or on the periphery etc.

It is much like a hand written sign. All people reading the sign see the words, or the message, not the individual letters. Ask a person to copy the sign from memory (obviously forgiving roughness) and upon completion not one of the novice sign makers will have any of their letter shapes right, or for that matter the kerning between letters. They will not achieve the 'flow' of the letter style......yet to them it looks 'right'. They will argue black and blue that an upper case M in block form is the same width as most of the other letters, while also maintaining the V shaped downstrokes stop halfway down the letter height....as pictured in the typed upper case M...here. They are wrong. Most block letter styles The V is the full height of the M letter, and at least one and a half times the width of the letter R.

So objective observation is necessary, but I keep it controlled. I may use it to find a recognisible "handle" to hang my likeness on, but that is as far as I go. I would rather paint, or exaggerate the'gesture' of the face to illuminate the emotion, feeling I receive, character etc to give what I term....'the smell to the orange'. Life is imparted to the image.

I don't know whether or not I have actually said anything there.......as to me, my approach is now the sum total of my portrait information, and has now been compacted into a 'Knowing'.

Gesture for the uninitiated....is the sum total of what a countenance (face), or body maybe doing.....smiling, every action of the face.....muscles, eyes, nose all contribute to make the smile happen...then we work on happiness....with color etc.....working above the objectivity. Thus completing the whole. For the body...if it was throwing a ball......everything the body is doing points to one thing......the ball.

A signature....is a gesture.

Anyway........I invite argument.

Below while I organise Malcolm.....is one of my likenesses of Bush in cartoon form. There are many ways of 'capturing' Bush. I chose this way. It isn't as simply drawn as it could be, nor is it necessarily "right'. There appears to be only four ways in which Bush's cartoon form is drawn by cartoonists.....my rendition falls into one of the four groups.

I have included a Bush tool here.....for anyone to play with, or alter to their own specifications. The tool is pictured on the left in the image. Colour works wonders on it. It has been optimised, so has lost a definition. You may argue it looks nothing like Bush, but hang a few 'Handles' about, as in the cartoon, and your mind tells you to forgive. I shall probably be bombed now. Cartoon done at the height of the 'Chad' war power struggle.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1011411901rzu.jpg

TOOL
bush1.zip (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_file-1011412049gnt.zip)


Malcolm M........

Pic of him at http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/clockwork/

In some ways it is a relatively easy image to copy. It is in a great deal of shade, there are defined blocks of colour, and it has some easily identifiable 'handles'.

What I do when wishing to copy a coloured image is to look at it for 5mins odd, then move on to the individual parts to see how they work within the whole.

That done, I have a mental understanding of the image. I then go and do something completely different for anything up to 2 years, then one day paint the image I saw. A break is needed from the initial study of the image. It has to have time to be 'absorbed' into your system. Thirty minutes is sufficient. You may not even have to consciously think of the image, just know it is in your mind.

Then I sit down to begin painting it....but before I touch anything......I ask myself 'What did I see?' What feeling does the image give me? What did the individual parts tell me? How am I going to answer the image's question?...in other words I am judging a view of the image through my set of circumstances. I have my answer......I see an image in my mind that has registered every nuance. In the image I feel danger, madness, human, the evil within myself, then slowly a yielding of the reptilian brain, and consciousness takes over. I then paint. Sounds ridiculous I know, but that is the best way I can explain it. Kinda Zen like.

I actually have the image inside myself in another form as well...the best way to explain it is...not in bitmap form, but in a kind of binary format. The image exists as a meme. It is its own life that floats the ether.
Yeah well.............

Whatever...... I now know the image, and how it works. It is a tangible life form.....not just a picture. Every part gives it breath. It exists.......and it demands. Everything that is human is embedded inside it...understand the freedom it needs, as it is constrained by colour, by thought, by ignorance.

By now, you must think I'm a complete tosser, however I am now relaxed enough....through the knowledge attained to paint the picture. Should I begin to falter, and the image inside my head wane....I stop.

When I have finished....I return to look at the image I have been copying, not my image. This is the first time I have looked at it since my initial study of it. Then I make objective adjustments.

This method of 'learning' the image, has another benefit......once painted......one can then paint it again practically perfect from your mind many years later.


Anyway enough....

Below are the tools necessary for the image.
I modelled only what was needed.....and then roughly. I was going to post the polymesh, but it was too big filewise. It wouldn't optimise very nicely. The optimised tools here are a right bugger to polymesh....the hat keeps changing position.....so good luck if you take that road. I polymeshed in my image, because it was the only way to have the hat fit the model properly. So if layers are used to place the hat.......some postwork adjustments will be needed.

The back of the hat is the rougher end....obviously. I modelled the likeness in its most basic form. All I needed is what the image told me, and I was looking at improving it with paint......which is perfectly achievable.

TO model a human likeness in 3d perfectly. ie have the whole head perfect......here I mean A portrait of a person who exists.......is a tough road. I can be done, but don't expect the profile will be correct, even if you have the frontal view correct.......It won't be.

I hope all that makes sense.......it's late and I'm tired. Plus I hadn't written this out earlier......I just began typing it all.
I'll read it later.
TOOLS BELOW

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1011444853ebc.jpg

clokoo1op.zip (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_file-1011445022oin.zip)


The hat axis is dead centre front......symmetry Y........don't ask.
1bowlerop.zip (http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_file-1011445153lqo.zip)

robotalk
01-18-02, 08:53 PM
Fine Information---Clever and nicely done 2D toon' and Some fantastic Geo Bush Junior ZTools--What's to bombard?? --a valuable and interesting 'topic'/image --one more winner for the "Atom" :D :tu: :tu:

drjjwow
01-18-02, 10:48 PM
wow ed i love the new tool.. looks like you spent some time on this one.. great job on the modeling..and thanks for the tool..

rhom
01-19-02, 04:31 AM
Just so I've got this straight in my mind-
In your image is that supposed to be the current President of the United States?
Is the other supposed to be Adolph Hitler?
Just in taking a quick glance it would appear that you have Bush(the Pres.?)
looking up to and taking advice from
Adolph Hitler(a man who systematically
murdered jewish people by the millions and who caused medical experimentation[torture]
to be carried out at places like Buchenwald
and Aushwitz on thousands of innocent people, many children)for whatever
depraved reason.Just so I've got it straight in my mind here what is being shown.Maybe we could display some of the lampshades and wallets made from human skin
next.

ed_the_atom
01-19-02, 05:20 AM
I'm sorry you see it that way rhom.

The intent was to portray The right wing elements pushing at Bush in his attempt to wrestle power, when at the time the power was not his to take. At the same time in Hitler's career....he wrestled, and won the power in many ways.......one was the burning of The Reichstag (sp?). Bush at the time was acting more like a fascist....than a republican in a lost Democracy. The rest of the world was laughing.....and many saw the actions of the time in exactly this manner.

Every nation commits its own atrocities, none are innocent.

I even got death threats from a number of people in the states over this cartoon. It is a hard hitting political cartoon.....as they all should be.........Free speech comes in many forms. Here highlighting the possible hits home......and made people think....about the consequences of Democracy amok.

And, as to why it is here is to give an example.......as to 'handles' to help identify a likeness. I picked it at random...without a political thought in my head..........however I shall change it for another.

No I won't change it.......everything else I have with Bush in are too pertinent for todays climate even though the cartoons were done at the time of the pres elections....and none portray 2 characters.

Apparently anything I post around here is wrong. Frankly I'm past caring what people think.

Muvlo
01-19-02, 10:01 AM
Heh, I say, calm down people!
Imagine a political cartoon where everyone is happy, getting along perfectly, and nothing is happening. Sounds interesting, right? ;)
I don't say this because I dislike Bush. I say it because I don't think Ed meant "Gee, Bush is over in America killing and hunting people down becuase they aren't of his religeon."
Just my view, please don't take offense. :)

Back to the topic of this topic, thanks Ed for the writing, and fine modeling you've done. :)

aurick
01-19-02, 10:31 AM
I've always thought that political cartoons were one of the highest forms of satire -- they must make a salient point with almost no room to do it in, and still manage to bring either a laugh or a raised eyebrow.

Personally, I like Bush and was glad that in the end he won the contest. This cartoon reminded me of the classic TV or movie bit with the devil and an angel perched on a guy's shoulders giving their advice. Usually, the devil wins. By making the devil into a historical political figure -- quite arguably the most evil one, ever -- you drove some interesting points home.

As for Malcolm, I recognized his face immediately when you posted it in the other thread despite the fact that I only saw A Clockwork Orange once about 12 years ago. So I'd say you've done a bang-up job!

Stonecutter
01-19-02, 12:54 PM
All political questioning aside, I'm interested in an explanation of the process Ed uses, and although I am an outsider being a Canadian, I think ALL politicians are bogus...
That having been said, political satire is the touchstone for freedom in either of our countries, and extremes are how you make the point...How many caricatures of Bin Ladin have you seen lately? That's the way it works.

Now, could we forget the politics, Ed can show us his process, and we can maybe all learn a different approach which may stimulate new creative methodology...? If someone wants to start a political thread in the community forum, I'd be glad to join, but here I just like to look and learn.

Kathy
01-19-02, 02:20 PM
Political thought:

Bill Clinton-Somolia (a tragic use of the Commander in Chief monicer)

The thought of Al Gore as President during the 911 event.....frightening.

President Bush and all his Oil buds are a different problem..but you must admit, he's kicked some terrorist ass with the help of Powell smoothing the international arena.

I am not politically correct, republican or democrat. I am an American.

juandel
01-19-02, 11:55 PM
bravissimo and ditto-issimo, too, Stonecutter! :D ahem, i just opened a political playground at the community forum (http://www.pixolator.com/zbc-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000272)... please, dont let us get distracted by real life in this forum too much - Ed, could you please go on with those fascinating insights, thoughts and analysis of your approach to likelyness asap? this is something i found too difficult since i started drawing at age 2 :D what a great idea to start this thread!

- juandel
(dives back into lurker mode, being too absorbed by duties at the job for another week or so to be able to contribute or comment - this forum is so much alive, its hard to keep up with its growth even being a silent satellite only! what a baby! :D have fun, zting, my friends! i envy you!!!)

Ron Harris
01-20-02, 12:40 AM
hey I am an American...served my country, and was willing and still am for the right of free speech and freedom of expression and Ed...that includes your rights too wherever yall may live...and if you wanna post the president kissing Sadams booty then so be it...(i would prolly laugh my butt off at it) but hey you create what ya wanna...to me plitical cartoons are there to make ya think and to reflect whats going on in the world...i dont have the talent for it...you apparently do :) and I liked it...I am not cerebral enough to always understand them but I can still alugh thru my own ignorance at a funny image...the only thing that I would add was I did post this image and it got moved to the community forum when I first came to ZBC. ...and I just checked for the image there and apparently it was strickened from the zbrush central archives coz now the listing is even gone. It was called Bin Geraldo....go figure

.but other than thatyer alright in my book :tu: :tu: :tu:

hmmm o well..yall have a good one..
ron
:o

ed_the_atom
01-20-02, 02:24 AM
I will digress for a moment....

LINE......or more importantly curves.

I won't dwell on the mathematical geometric approach. Suffice it to say that there are two qualities of curves...continuity, and flow. I won't dwelve into tangents, inflections, instead I shall look solely at 'flow'. Here we can leave technically correct, but 'dead' line behind us.

So you think you're an artist? Ok then sit down with a pencil and draw Disney's Pluto, without looking at a picture with pluto in it, when finished......draw Pluto again from two more angles of sight. Do you still think you are an artist? Tough call I know, but understand line, and have a memory of seeing Pluto then you will produce a good likeness.

Understanding curved line is one of the differences between a gifted amateur, and a fine artist. Closed curves allow us to give form to an object...well more so than unclosed curves for my purposes here. There is more I could say at this point, but I ain't got the time.

There is a drawing about, black ink line depicting a female fiqure. Half the people viewing this drawing see an old woman, the other half see a young woman. Even when people are told the truth about the drawing few can see the opposite of what they perceived the drawing to be at their initial viewing. Again even when each figure is pointed out many can not vary their view.
Perception is a wonderous thing.


The Saint's perception of line to create form is wonderful to say the least, however we all have different aesthetic standards...I may argue that all his form lacks my subtlelty of form through his use line, and conversely the same would be true.
It is just these nuances of perception that give us our own styles. Precisely why I am against Poser models introduced into my work...these models are someone elses style. Still that is the way of the world at the moment. All digital art is controlled by the softwares' artists.....in fact in years to come...where will drawing a freehand line be?

We could argue that colour is form etc...the battle lines have been there for years.

I have mentioned that simplicity is the last thing learnt in art. Isn't it odd that it is the first thing taught. We already knew of simplicity within art.......stick figures...then we go and complicate things by cramming as much into a work as possible, only to one day begin the search for simplicity.

Below is a work by a friend of mine, who by her own admission has the artistic ability of a dead rock. Nothing in the image is correct, to my mind this 'uniformity/flow of shall we say "wrongness" combines the whole together' to produce an image that on first glance appears natural...if you can forgive the style. I like the image.....it works for me.


http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1011521083xwz.jpg


Back to line........attaining the right shape, and width of uniform line for the area it contains.

Below red shapes indicate that the line curve is wrong (unless one specifically wants that shape).

The blue lines indicate the line curve is closer to what I may want.....but it/they are still wrong....flow isn't achieved.

The black lines indicate a flow which is close to how I wish it to be....but still not perfect.......adjustments still are needed...so fine as to be hardly perceptable by any other than me, because it is my perception I am working with.

Understand curve......your artwork will improve. Understand line width for shaped areas, or canvas size...your artwork will improve. The last tear drop on the bottom right is a size of line I would choose for the area enclosed....take no notice of all other widths drawn. The second to last teardrop while almost uniform is boring.....add life by altering, but keeping a flow as in the last teardrop on the right.

I shall return with Malcolm M next post and briefly touch on a number of things you may find interesting.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1011522224ojy.jpg

DM
01-20-02, 04:03 AM
This is great stuff Ed, I shall follow this with interest. Did you ever read the book, 'Drawing with the right side of the brain', that had some excellent insights into how we perceive things.
Dave

ed_the_atom
01-20-02, 07:55 AM
This my interpretation of a stallholder at a fairground examining a potential customer who has just wandered into his lair.
The cheap swindle......calculated.
The main reason I had a bowler hat tool laying around.

As usual I don't consider the piece good, nor bad. It was an experiment to capture a feeling.

I believe anybody can draw a 'passable' object, but art transcends the object. The object is just a means....a line in a poem, a note within a musical piece.

This is an example of my subjective work....

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1011542009ato.jpg

Muvlo
01-20-02, 08:42 AM
Incredible Ed! Wow... keep up this information, it's really good. :tu:

Stonecutter
01-20-02, 01:46 PM
Some very nice theoretical lines you're following here, Ed...! I think I for one will enjoy the ride... :tu:
I think the 'Stallholder' is a fine painting, and since you're done with it, it's mine now, since it has entered my brain and cognitive system! ;)

DM, that book is about a foot and a half from where I'm seated! (And it lays out Bi-polar thought in the clearest possible manner...)

:tu:

Downwrdspiral
01-20-02, 02:23 PM
Nice image Ed. But the guy looks a little frightened, or sad. Great colors though.