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Flycatcher
08-19-02, 04:37 PM
... but it didn't start out that way!

Had a little play with Crapman's Difference Cloud method for making water.

I then couldn't resist making my own rather different alpha in an attempt to create a whirlpool effect. This didn't work out. Although the alpha looked OK, the ripples deformed too bumpily so that the overall vortex effect was obscured. However, by stretching the x-axis of the plane, dropping it, then applying some curved smudge brush-work I was able to use it to create a tolerable impression of the lip of a waterfall. Hence this quickie - nothing special and just a little practice piece in creating water by this method. It only took 15 minutes start to finish, including creating the alpha in PSP and rescuing something from the failed whirlpool.

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1029799900hai.jpg

While writing the above, I realised why the original whirlpool idea didn't work out. I had forgotten one important step - to increase the mesh size on the Plane 3D to the maximum before applying the masked distortion; tested and works fine - except that Z bombed out on me while later working on this large, dense mesh. So if anyone would like a whirlpool alpha, here it is:

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1029800146uzx.jpg

You will of course need to convert it to BMP or PSD before you can use it in ZBrush as an alpha mask to apply deformations to a Plane 3D. You can then clear the mask and apply further noise, modelling, materials, applying white-caps, etc. as required including stretching the x-axis for perspective, pulling the centre of the whirlpool down slightly along the z-axis to create a true shallow-conical vortex... which, alas, is where my PC froze twice - so no example, I'm afraid.

I don't have the time/patience to run through it again today. If anyone with more computing power/memory on board gives it a go, please publish your results here - I'd love to see a completed picture using the technique. Consider it a Scylla and Charybdis challenge!

EDITED: See further down page for my second attempt.

filament9
08-19-02, 05:02 PM
Very cool idea. Thanks for posting the alpha.

Ron Harris
08-19-02, 05:53 PM
thnx for the alpha..pretty kewl..I played with it some and here is the result of that little doodling..I am sure I will use it again....thnx again

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1029804769vhu.jpg

background is with Aurick's Cloud Difference technique...top right light courtesy of psp7

DeeVee
08-19-02, 06:33 PM
Very impressive images. I have not tried it as yet, but I certainly plan to. :tu: :tu: :tu: :)

Northstarr
08-19-02, 08:18 PM
Very cool! Thanks I will give it a try tomorrow evening & see what I can come up with. Yours looks good!
:)

Flycatcher
08-21-02, 12:35 PM
You're all welcome. It's good to see others using or planning to make use of the alpha. :)

Much though I hate re-working things two or three times just because software has died on me and lost the work, I felt obliged to have another go now that others were showing interest. I tried working at a smaller canvas size this time (the default), and had no problems whatever. So here it is - my take on the whirlpool motif:

http://www2.zbrushcentral.com/zbc_uploads/user_image-1029958530yme.jpg

All ZBrush except for the eagle and a small amount of retouching the white-caps both done in Paint Shop Pro, the former from a tube.

DeeVee
08-21-02, 12:49 PM
Well done FC i like it a lot :ex: Maybe you could bring the Eagle into focus just a little bit more. I know that the blur denoted movement but i just thought it might help.
On second thought it is OK as it is.
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :D
DeeVee,
Joe.

Flycatcher
08-22-02, 03:00 PM
Thanks for the feedback Joe - I think your first assessment was the correct one: the eagle should have been sharper (and now is on my own copy). While I would like to accept your suggestion that it was a cunning device to imply motion, I'm afraid the truth is I simply hadn't noticed, having over-concentrated on reducing its size sufficiently and placing it correctly. :o

My deteriorating short-range eyesight is probably also partly to blame - nothing dramatic, just an age thing aggravated by blepharitis.